So, say I was on the Muskogee PD and I had to take a prisoner to Tulsa. Are you saying that my radio would not function anywhere but that one site?
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So, say I was on the Muskogee PD and I had to take a prisoner to Tulsa. Are you saying that my radio would not function anywhere but that one site?
My opinion would be yes, his radio would not function once out of that coverage area. Don't know if Motorola has something set-up to allow him to use the State system or not.
So there are two systems, with the same system ID and the same talkgroups, and subscriber units can't roam between them?
I'm having trouble believing this.
It's one big system.
ecollins11
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Looking @ that site, it looks to me that the State Motorola Sytem needs to be renamed OKWIN.
It will be one big system, but there are still two for now.
In programming a subscriber radio, you can't have some sites 3600 baud (Motorola Smartzone), and some sites 9600 (P25 trunked standard). A motorola radio could have both systems programmed, but the user would have to manually change systems. In computers (or trunked systems) 092C is not the same as 92C.
In the other example, an officer taking a prisoner from Muskogee to Tulsa would have to change to the Smartzone system (which there is a site in Muskogee also) to "roam" to Tulsa. If the Muskogee PD talkgroup is allowed to roam off that site, that is. The officer may need to go to a RMA or other channel to be able to stay in contact with "home base". There is a possbility that the radio techs have the talkgroup from the P25 system patched to the Smartzone system, but that's a temporary patch between two different systems.
Once the P25 system is expanded (keep your ears open for new control channels), the roaming on the P25 system would take place.
I agree, the old system should be OKWIN also - this is more like OKWIN Phase 2. Based on that website, it looks like they are in phase 3 of the upgrades - changing/adding towers. Most radios that I know of are upgraded to XTS/XTL series or EF Johnson (Smartzone and P25 capable) radios. Once the system is fully P25, OKC could actually use their radios to join the OKWIN system, as Harris, Icom, Kenwood, Motorola, EF Johnson, etc all make radios that are compatible with P25 trunking.
Sparky_one
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I'm hearing quite a bit of P25 "SHHHHHH" coming over the OKWIN system. Can't really block it out with my scanners. I really need to update but I just hate buying new digital gear.
Seeing a 1911 ID showing up tonight.
That's all I'm sayin'. One big system. One big happy system? Stay tuned ....
Muskogee
I am looking forward to monitoring this system when I am passing through Oklahoma. I am happy to hear it is P25, not Pro-Voice or something similar.
Hopefully, it will be as easy to monitor as the statewide P25 in Kansas.
I am looking forward to monitoring this system when I am passing through Oklahoma. I am happy to hear it is P25, not Pro-Voice or something similar.
Hopefully, it will be as easy to monitor as the statewide P25 in Kansas.
There are already digital talk groups. The only difference with this latest site on 092C is that it's "real" P25 - 9600-baud control channel (so no BC250D/BC785D use) and all-digital.
As long as you've got the right scanner, it shouldn't be a problem.
eBay. Paid less than $400 for a clean, hardly used BCD996XT last winter. Sold my BCD396T for less than $300 back in '09. There are good deals but you have to be patient.
His only problem might be the path traveled, if he's coming from Waco and heading into Kansas, depending on what part of Kansas he's heading too Muskogee is pretty much a stretch on that path.
I do the same thing, only trouble is I hardly sell anything. Just got my 996XT last month for $400. A gift to a person who had no idea how or what to do with it....
Here in the state of Michigan, we had the first statewide 800 MHz, digitally trunked radio system in place that used the old Motorola ASTRO Platform 4.1 (3600 baud). When the 4th zone was completed in 2002, it was decided to upgrade to ASTRO 5.1 (9600 baud) to keep the system as current and up-to-date as possible. Likewise, this meant that Zones 5 and 6 would be built on the new 5.1 platform by Motorola.
The changeover from ASTRO 4.1 to 5.1 required extensive planning, and execution by the state radio technicians and support personnel from Motorola. This process took about a month to complete, but on selected nights at 4:00 a.m. the changeover took place. In the months leading up to the system switchover, all of the state agencies had their radios reprogrammed with menus that supported both the old and new templates.
This meant that if a Michigan State Trooper had to travel from Detroit up to Traverse City, he could maintain contact on old system until it was upgraded by manually changing the menu program on his radio. However, once the new ASTRO 5.1 system was firmly in place, he just left the radio in the new menu mode. Likewise, they still had their old 42 MHz VHF-Low band radios in their cars back then until the entire state was switched over to the new 800 MHz system.
The newer Motorola radios can be programmed to automatically switchover to the old system, especially when it can not locate one of the new 9600 baud data channels while roaming from one part of the state to another. With that said, there must be a systematic changeover plan in place for converting the old ASTRO 4.1 tower sites to the new ASTRO 7.9 platform. Here in Michigan they did it zone by zone, over a four week period. I am sure that OKWIN officials and Motorola have some sort of a changeover plan in place, complete with a weekly schedule.
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Ron
The changeover from ASTRO 4.1 to 5.1 required extensive planning, and execution by the state radio technicians and support personnel from Motorola. This process took about a month to complete, but on selected nights at 4:00 a.m. the changeover took place. In the months leading up to the system switchover, all of the state agencies had their radios reprogrammed with menus that supported both the old and new templates.
This meant that if a Michigan State Trooper had to travel from Detroit up to Traverse City, he could maintain contact on old system until it was upgraded by manually changing the menu program on his radio. However, once the new ASTRO 5.1 system was firmly in place, he just left the radio in the new menu mode. Likewise, they still had their old 42 MHz VHF-Low band radios in their cars back then until the entire state was switched over to the new 800 MHz system.
The newer Motorola radios can be programmed to automatically switchover to the old system, especially when it can not locate one of the new 9600 baud data channels while roaming from one part of the state to another. With that said, there must be a systematic changeover plan in place for converting the old ASTRO 4.1 tower sites to the new ASTRO 7.9 platform. Here in Michigan they did it zone by zone, over a four week period. I am sure that OKWIN officials and Motorola have some sort of a changeover plan in place, complete with a weekly schedule.
73s
Ron
ecollins11
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Here is some more info on the OKWIN system
http://www.ok.gov/okwin/documents/OKWIN - Executive Committee - Meeting Minutes - (07.08.11).pdf
http://www.ok.gov/okwin/documents/OKWIN - Executive Committee - Meeting Minutes - (07.22.11).pdf
http://www.ok.gov/okwin/documents/OKWIN - Executive Committee - Meeting Minutes - (07.08.11).pdf
http://www.ok.gov/okwin/documents/OKWIN - Executive Committee - Meeting Minutes - (07.22.11).pdf
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n5bew1
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Thanks as those minutes have lots of good info.
Hello, new to the forum and new to digital scanning. I bought a Pro-106 this past week. Havent really had the time to play with it that much. Using the frq's on radio ref, am I supposed to hear ALL of the pd, sher, ems and fire dept?
Thanks,
David
Thanks,
David
Welcome and congrats on your new scanner, need a little more info first to correctly answer your question. First is what PD, Sher, EMS and Fire are you trying to listen too, and have you programmed in the Talkgroup ID's as well as the system Freqs.
If you are in say, Bristow and trying to listen to Oklahoma City Fire on the state system that won't be possible as those ID's aren't active on the Bristow site, but you can hear OHP from OKC and Tulsa and sometimes Vinita and Muskogee.
Thanks for the reply....I am talking about Muskogee. I would like to listen to Tulsa and OHP but for some reason I cant find the troop freq's and dont know if I could get Tulsa down here. Mam1081 has helped me alot with local freq's and programming this radio. This is all new to me. I have 2 older units where you have to put everything in by hand. I really dont know what this unit will do and what range the digital trunking has.
David
David
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