OFFICIAL MSWIN Thread

[KE5TLF]

Ah ok then. Good to know there's another control channel decoder out there. Hopefully bidness will picking up in a big way up your way soon too. Look forward to hearing more news from ya.

 

[timc940]

pearl pd

can anyone confirm that the pearl police department and fire department is now using MSWIN ??? My scanner is not picking up another on the Rankin TRS ( Talkgroup 880 ) for PD Dispatch and also on 154.220 for Fire Dispatch.

 

[Mitsufan]

I just started picking up a TG ID of 46651...it sounds like it COULD be pearl PD...it is a police agency of some sort...have heard traffic stops on hwy 80 and also on hwy 468.

 

[KE5TLF]

http://forums.radioreference.com/mi...swin-new-tg-identification-thread-2012-a.html

 

[deighvid2011]

I am in Madison county Mississippi. I have a RS PRO 197. Is it common on a talk-system like MSWINS to be able to receive transmissions from an entity one day, then maybe not the next day. I have talk groups set up for the local PD and FIRE in Ridgeland and Madison and cannot seem to get consistent traffic on the MSWINS network. Not sure where else to ask, so decided to ask here, since it involves the MSWINS.

 

[SCPD]

That radio is pretty simple and staight forward. If you were ever receiving MSWIN talk groups, then you still should be. The only reason the radio might quit receiving is if you only have one tower site programmed in it. If you are using as a mobile radio that could very well be a problem. Suggestion would be to program control channels for all tower sites in your area (Madison, Rankin..Hinds) and if programmed correctly, the talk groups you are interested in should chime in. However, if you are using as a base radio (stationary) the problem simply could be a signal reception issue. Try relocating the radio close to window and it probably will start receiving again. That problem can be resolved by programming in all cc's for Madison and neighboring counites, as I'm sure the coverage is pretty good in that area.

 

[KE5TLF]

I am in Madison county Mississippi. I have a RS PRO 197. Is it common on a talk-system like MSWINS to be able to receive transmissions from an entity one day, then maybe not the next day. I have talk groups set up for the local PD and FIRE in Ridgeland and Madison and cannot seem to get consistent traffic on the MSWINS network. Not sure where else to ask, so decided to ask here, since it involves the MSWINS.

Firstly what sites do you have programmed? You should at the very least have the Lake Cavalier and SOW 100, and maybe even the Sillers(Jackson) site. Though if the SOW is still online then I doubt Sillers would be catching much from that area.

If you have all the sites, then how are they programmed? All CC's in one TSYS object? Seperate TSYS objects for each site? What multi site mode are they programmed for? If you've got more than one site in a TSYS then you need to set it to STAT.

Personally I prefer to make seperate TSYS objects for each site I can get at home. Then I have another TSYS object with all the primary CC's in it and set it to STAT mode which I use when ducting kicks in.

Do you have all primary and alternate CC's programmed? It could be they are rotating control channels. Not something that I've seen much of under normal circumstances around here, but it is possible.

Another thing. You may want to periodically do a search of the 700 band and see if you can find any new CC's. Never know when a filler site or a SOW may show up, as witnessed by the deployment of SOW 100. Just keep in mind when searching anything you find outside of the 769-775 MHz range is a ghost image and not a valid repeater output frequency.

One last thing. While I believe most of the primary channels have been IDed, there are most likely some others that are less used out there too. You'll likely want to have a Wildcard object in each TSYS you have set up to find those too. (..and please report any undocumented findings if you do find something)

 

[deighvid2011]

Thanks for the replies

Hugh and KE5, thanks for responding to my inquiry. While waiting I made a command decision to go ahead and purchase the ARC500 and I wiped out my 197 and just started over. That operation was a big help, and I am now receiving everything like I am supposed to. I knew I needed to get more organized and doing it all with the ARC500 has really helped. Still have a lot to learn however as far as theory of Talk Systems and Groups go. Hugh I pretty much figured that location was not my problem since I was able to get Ridgeland PD and Madison PD at both my home and office which are about 10 miles apart. I am sure I changed something manually that caused my problem, just could not figure out what it was. Re-downloading got me back to a beginning point and I see several things in KE5's post that I want to study more on. I have not quite got a handle on the "wildcard" part, so any assistance would be appreciated. I am glad I have a place to ask and again I appreciate you guys prompt responses. Please feel free to offer more suggestions if there is anything you think I should know about this whole process. 73's.

David

 

[Rick54]

Has anyone heard when they are going to shut us down with the TDMA on MSWIN? I heard it was going to be soon

 

[SCPD]

Phase II

Does appear to be imminent. My observation of most all of the towers in Southwest portion of state, they have been reworked. I can only imagine this is in anticipation of Phase II. When I say reworked, I mean additional antenna bays, and in some cases additional microwave dishes have been added from the original configs. Guess we'll know real soon.

 

[SCPD]

Has anyone heard when they are going to shut us down with the TDMA on MSWIN? I heard it was going to be soon

The Phase II I was referring to is TDMA, not p2 construction, just to be clear. I guess we're well past p2 construction. But, if you've paid close attention to the towers in your areas, the TDMA updates will be quite obvious.

 

[KE5TLF]

A 3rd whip will have to be added to all sites for TDMA, but also keep in mind these tower sites were all built with capacity for others to lease space on so not every change noticed may be MSWIN related.

I guess it kinda came and went mostly unnoticed but Phase 2C is now fully operational and MHP Troop H is live now. All initial construction is complete in Phase 2 but I believe P2D is yet to be put in fully operational mode. Maybe somebody up that way will see this and let us know?

 

[mike_s104]

Has anyone tried decoding the system in a TDMA with a GRE PSR-800?

 

[fryan]

Ridgeland's new perm. site

This location will replace the SOW that's online in Ridgeland. This site is located at the old Ridgeland TRS location.

System ID : 2AD
System Name :
WACN : BEE00
Tower Number (Decimal): 257
Tower Number (Hex) : T0239
Tower Description : (null)
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Call Sign(s) :
Timestamp : Mon Jul 2 09:31:34 2012

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,851.00625,0.00625,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.00625,1
01,762.00625,0.00625,30.00000,"Confirmed",0.00625,1
02,851.01250,0.01250,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2
03,762.00625,0.01250,30.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"00-0585","a",854.66250,"00-0585",809.66250,0,0
"00-0629","a",854.93750,"00-0629",809.93750,0,0
"00-0701","c",855.38750,"00-0701",810.38750,0,0
"00-0837","v",856.23750,"00-0837",811.23750,0,0
"00-0997","v",857.23750,"00-0997",812.23750,0,0

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
212,"T020C",2ad,"01-2050",774.81875,""
213,"T020D",2ad,"01-1890",773.81875,""
214,"T020E",2ad,"01-2048",774.80625,""
250,"T0232",2ad,"01-2024",774.65625,""

 

[KE5TLF]

Cool. From the May meeting minutes it sounds like they are going to eventually swap Ridgeland's 800MHz repeaters for some surplus 700 MHz FEMA repeaters they have though. Then put those 800 repeaters in some SOWs to expand their coverage potential.

Something to keep an eye on. Keep us updated.

 

[Mitsufan]

Hmm with all these towers and sites in mind, I do have a question that maybe you call can answer. Off the Jackson tower (ill use MHP for example) I can hear MHP Jackson but less often MHP Brookhaven,Hattiesburg, and Gulfport. Yet I can not pick up anything from the other MHP regions around the state and I thought for sure I could get MHP Meridian off the Jackson site,but I have noted I can get it off the Troop C tower if im out in Rankin county. Is this maybe due to the way the towers are connected (say central and south). Im clueless in this area and anyone with knowledge please feel free to correct me on this I also have noted its not just MHP it seems but with other state agencies like MDOT (minus MDOT enforcement) Also as a side note Dept Of Marine Resources used to be on a lot but seems less these days, if at all.

 

[KE5TLF]

If there isn't a radio affiliated to the talkgroup on the tower(s) then you aren't going to here traffic on that TG.

 

[Mitsufan]

Hmm interesting thanks for that info Im really just happy being able to listen to MHP jackson brookhaven hattiesburg and gulfport off the jackson tower....anyway just was curious thanks!

 

[KE5TLF]

A few tidbits

The TDMA build out and testing has found it's way to my backyard. Techs have been working the region for a couple of weeks now on TG 10005 mainly. Actually all over the state, from the traffic copied.
Also a part of the rework they are doing seems to involve adding at least one additional channel on at least some sites. Need some fresh logs from every site.

All but 4 towers are now standing. The 4 remaining are:
ToM II owned 1: Sardis
State owned 3: Kosciusko, Tula, and Iuka.
Kosciusko may be a while yet. The most recent site approved was just a few weeks ago. They've had two or three do-overs with this one.

Starting to hear some occasional traffic from MDOT Enforcement District T units, but haven't heard any T-TOM scale locations called out in morning roll call yet.

 

[KE5TLF]

I've been logging MFC using TDMA the past couple of days, and now today Wiggins PD. This is on sites 118 and 120. 144 seems to not be upgraded yet and still remains FDMA only. Still hearing MFC there when someone is affiliated to it.

Both have been MSWIN guinea pigs since the beginning so I assume this is the case now. Regardless the spread of TDMA seems to be upon us.

Need some observations and feedback from other areas.