OFFICIAL MSWIN Thread

[KE5TLF]

Let PRO96COM run long enough on a site for it to log the CWID. You will get a new call sign added for the new freqs. they are adding to sites. It may take a little longer than you're used to to pick up the new freqs too if the site is not real busy.

Wiggins PD is apparently 100% TDMA now too. Seeing them on sites 121 and 103 also.

TDMA traffic also seen on site 231 by another.

 

[bee]

Can the Wiggins PD traffic, be heard on any scanner?

thanks

 

[Mitsufan]

With Isaac coming, dont forget to be on the lookout for new ids! Ive found one so far off the jackson tower: TG ID 18(all I heard is where is your location ). Also been hearing a lot of chatter on the MDOT statewide channel.

 

[KE5TLF]

Yep bad things usually bring good chances to discover new things radio wise. The TG 18 is from the 6 site FEMA system days. (see page 1 and onward). I think now it is just in the cache of old FEMA radios they had post Katrina, and those are now a part of the general cache of "event" radios. Sometimes they pop up in test areas too. I've seen the old TG 11 in recent months too. I think maybe some or all of the tech types may have these in their radios too. I think maybe that is where my TG 11 sighting came from.

Another thing is a lot of known TG's that haven't been heard in long time too. Got the Guard folks fired up on the still to be IDed 13585. I'm recording it all so I'm hoping I catch someone IDing it on air.

 

[KE5TLF]

A bit of a rundown of what I'm seeing so far

R8 SE CMN - MEMA SERT (aka Forward EOC) net control for FOXTROT, OSCAR, etc. units.
MMD 13585 - ARNG ICC net control for ARNG LNO's, Engineers, etc. located in the 6 boot heel countie's EOC's, shelters, etc.
MMD TAC 1 - ARNG "STORM", "TYPHOON", and "MAGNOLIA" units recently fired up a net here.
MSDH ST CMN - STATE EOC net control for EPR units
ST SE CMN - STATE EOC net control for the occasional miscellaneous contact.

EDIT:
MMD TAC 2 - STINGRAY net just popped up here now

 

[alohanole]

I am working out of the SERT (Forward EOC) in Gulfport this week. The MEMA folks are on R8 SE CMN and MEMA PRIMARY. They are also using ST SE CMN. I will attempt to collect more info tomorrow. There were folks there from WCC/MSWIN and Motorola. I was too busy to talk to them, but if I see them again I will try. It's a radio junkie's dream in that place.

 

[KE5TLF]

If you get a chance to see a display some Guardsmen's radios, it would be nice to finally get an alias for that 13585 TG they are using.

Be safe.

 

[Avery93]

I've been hearing a lot of traffic on MMD TAC-3 (13591) off of site 0230. Mostly units with callsigns Viper and Envy doing a lot of radio checks. I believe it is patched with an analog frequency as the audio quality is horrible and regardless of who is transmitting the Radio ID is always 138192.

Also last night on this TG I believe I heard an EOC calling a military TOC asking for either a radio check or a status check. Unfortunately due to the garbled audio and Native American sounding names I couldn't understand where it was.

 

[KE5TLF]

Portable coverage absolutely sucks here on the coast regardless of weather conditions, and the Guardsmen are using pretty much all portables. This is not a weather or Guard related thing, it is just the way it is with anyone using portables around here. Of course after all is said and done there will nothing but high praise of how well this thing worked all over the news I'm sure.

I'm worn out trying to keep up with their nets and callsigns and broken transmissions.

TAC 1 is "STORM" net.

TAC 2 is "STINGRAY" net. Calls STINGRAY, WOLFPACK, STORM to name a few.

TAC 3 is "DRAGON" net, but as you say there are a gazillion callsigns on that one. Calls DRAGON, TYPHOON, VIPER, BEARCAT, GATOR, MP and a few others off the top of my head.

Interesting you're hearing this on 230, but I guess they have a reason. Is there a guard base in range of it? Seems they pretty freely switch between TOC and MAIN for the net contoller ID's too. So just be aware of that.

Shifting gears to more every day stuff.
Hearing many MDOT Enforcement District T units now, going about their normal business.

Just copied traffic from my first MHP Troop G unit a while ago on the MHP Troop K channel. So obviously at least some of them have radios installed now. (it was a G coded RID)
As I'm sure most of you have seen on the news there are many MHP units from all over the state down this way to help out. They are being seen on the MHP K Common channel and R8 SE 1 for the most part now. Still some occasional use of their super secret hand shack club, encrypted channel too.

I've gotten about 10 new TG's in total out of this, about half of which are also encrypted. grrr All of which I've yet to get a clue on who they belong to. Pretty much none of them fit into the patterns of other groups of unknowns I have collected. These are some totally new ones.

 

[Mitsufan]

13505 Id' as AG reading off gas prices and later talked about doing a follow up
22926 Sounds like MEMA's portable location on the coast. Heard an ID as governor and a radio call for "robert latham" (hope i spelled his name right!!) and asking for any boats they can get and to get AMR to stage. **just ID as "MEMA 1**

 

[KE5TLF]

Ya know, most of the non-mainstream radio users on this thing are pretty much clueless when it comes to who is listening to them. Then there are others that silently visit RR that aren't so clueless, that are also in a position to change that....

EDIT: 7:22 Tornado on the ground near Gulf Park Estates/Fountainbleau
EDIT 2: 8:09 2nd waterspout/tornado coming ashore in the same area.
EDIT 3: 8:11 Fountainbleau site just went into Site Trunking. Radio Maint, talking to DMR about this.
EDIT 4: 8:16 Fountainbleau back to wide area trunking. Man there is some rough stuff moving through here the last hour or so. Some of the worst feeder band activity thus far.

 

[alohanole]

I was with the Governor, MEMA Director, and a few others today. They created a special talk group for the Governor and his entourage, named it "UNIFIED CMD". I don't know if they encrypted it or not. I also identified the mystery MMD TG. I will grab my notes and post with that in a bit. Also, as discussed, there are a ton of MHP units down here. The Public Safety Commissioner was with the group, and his detail (protection, public affairs, etc.) I wish I wasn't working all day and could listen to some of this traffic!

 

[alohanole]

The previously unidentified MMD 13585 talkgroup is aliased as "MMD ICC" (Incident Command Center). I worked with the Nat. Guard comms guys today and I got this info directly from one of their new APX7000's

They said they use it for admin functions. KE5TLF had it near-perfectly identified in a recent post.

Now it's confirmed. I have already submitted a database correction.

 

[Avery93]

Portable coverage absolutely sucks here on the coast regardless of weather conditions, and the Guardsmen are using pretty much all portables. This is not a weather or Guard related thing, it is just the way it is with anyone using portables around here. Of course after all is said and done there will nothing but high praise of how well this thing worked all over the news I'm sure.

Yeah, the portable coverage up this way doesn't seem to be much better. The traffic I heard on MMD TAC-3 definitely sounded like it was patched to a weak analog freq though. I could hear the "static" of the weak analog signal being vocoded into P25, which generates a lot of high to mid frequency noise on top of the audio. It sounds similar to weak analog signals when listening to live feeds (which are MP3), except much worse. Also the radio ID was always the same (138192), so that also leads me to believe it was patched.

Interesting you're hearing this on 230, but I guess they have a reason. Is there a guard base in range of it? Seems they pretty freely switch between TOC and MAIN for the net contoller ID's too. So just be aware of that.

Not that I know of. The closest one that I know of would be the base at Tupelo airport, but that seems like it would be too far out to use site 230.

Just copied traffic from my first MHP Troop G unit a while ago on the MHP Troop K channel. So obviously at least some of them have radios installed now. (it was a G coded RID)
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I believe they got their radios about 3-4 weeks ago. I apparently happened to program MSWIN into my radio the same day that they got them and I caught a whole lot of traffic on the Troop G car-to-car TG. They were playing with/testing the new radios all day and finally about 8:30 PM that day a supervisor or something announced to everybody "you guys know that Starkville is having to listen to everybody on the car-to-car channel right?" and then basically said they would have to switch back to the old system for car-to-car use as there was way too much traffic for Starkville post to monitor. I haven't really listened to the MSWIN system since then until the hurricane started approaching but I haven't heard the car-to-car TG active since then.

Also, that day I noticed some units were only using portables and many times they were unreadable. The other troopers also apparently noticed this and asked one of those units on car-to-car why he wasn't using his mobile, to which he replied that he and several other units weren't getting new mobiles in their cars for some reason and were only getting portables.

 

[KE5TLF]

Yeah it doesn't take a genius to look at a map of site locations and see portable coverage isn't going to be that great in a lot of areas. ESPECIALLY in building coverage. It doesn't usually take long to determine if a given unit is using a portable too from the transmission quality. Hear it a lot from MDOT Enforcement units too. Especially District B which I think is still all portables.

The first few days of an agency going live are some of the best times to ID stuff too. They may announce what channel they are on, or which one they want to switch to etc. Always a great time to be running Pro96Com too, to catch some channel flipping sessions. I've found many a TG that way, a lot of which are yet to actually be used to this day. Many of those are Zone/Region 3 area TG's that don't even have service yet. There can be a few LOL moments in the mix sometimes too.

Every MHP Troop has started out on portables, with a few exceptions in the higher ranking officers, A's, R's and U's maybe. Can't count the times I heard K Troops being instructed to report to the radio shop to get their mobiles installed during the first few weeks after they went live. As far as I know, pretty much every Troop that's now on MSWIN, but G and H, should all have both now. H may even be getting close to all having both by now. Another MHP quirk is that all dispatch locations started out on actual radios too and last I saw a few weeks ago Jackson dispatch was still using a radio and not a dispatch console. The RID's for a radio vs a console are very different. Radios are 6 digits and conoles are 7 digits.

The previously unidentified MMD 13585 talkgroup is aliased as "MMD ICC" (Incident Command Center). I worked with the Nat. Guard comms guys today and I got this info directly from one of their new APX7000's

They said they use it for admin functions. KE5TLF had it near-perfectly identified in a recent post.

Now it's confirmed. I have already submitted a database correction.

Well I guess that makes sense. Right there on the air the whole time too. I can't remember exactly how it went during the oil spill, but I want to say this one was the lesser used of them all back then. Ah well, mystery solved now. Much thanks for tying up that loose end

Oh yeah almost forgot.
Wiggins PD came out from under it's cloak of encrypted TDMA usage and switched over to the PD 1 channel for the hurricane, which appears to remain unencrypted and TDMA free too. Like I've said before they are WCC guinea pigs, and I'm fairly sure the encryption and TDMA stuff there is the WCC's choice and not Wiggins.

And whilst on the topic of TDMA all F&W TAC 6 comms were TDMA today. Their in the clear channels all remain FDMA so far.
Also caught a single hit on the MDOT Jackson TG 22011 that was TDMA too.
All that on site 118 (Vancleave)

 

[KE5TLF]

For anyone interested the WCC has been posting daily updates for the system during Isaac. Wish they would become a more forthcoming with other news, info, and documents like LWIN does on their site though.
MSWIN Status - > MSWIN Status

 

[KE5TLF]

Looking at today's logging activity, there's more bad news.

Bunch of TDMA hits for F&W on the SOUTH B channel as well as TAC 6 now. Also a few hits from MEMA on R8 SE CMN too.

 

[mike_s104]

I asked before, but no one really replied.

Has anyone tried monitoring his with a PSR-800?

 

[darrendotcom]

New Frequencies

I found a list of New Frequencies that are to be added to MSWIN. The FCC has approved the new frequencies this year.

 

[INDY72]

Finally!

FCC freqs for MSWIN being listed by lic MWCC per each county. So now we can see the additional freqs like we can for LWIN and AWIN! A lot better than it was for first couple of years when NO data was being listed vias FCC. Now that I have another laptop, I can get back to working on things and will begin integrating the additional freqs as I get to em. For those down south if you notice Marion County, and that area coming on please hit us with updates.... Have been getting rumors they are switching asap. Anyone up in P-3 send any data as you get it.