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I mean it doesn't suprise me with PA but it just seems like such a waste. They bought all those radios and invested in millions in infrastructure just to shut it off.
Let's not get carried away with the hyperbole. ;)

The 700 MHz Air-Ground system, which has been on the air for nearly 8 years now, has 30 repeaters total (10 sites with 3 repeaters each). Back in 2013, a Harris P25 FDMA trunking capable repeater was probably in the ballpark of $20,000 to $25,000, so we're talking about $600,000 to $750,000 total for those 30 repeaters, not "millions". The rest of the infrastructure like the tower structures and microwave was basically already in place for any co-located OpenSky sites.

So now they're likely going to fold some or all of those sites into the larger ASTRO 25 TDMA system, which requires IP connected Motorola GTR8000 repeaters. So the Harris repeaters had their days numbered anyway, because to be frank the commonwealth is done with Harris and has moved on from the whole OpenSky debacle. With a fully functional Motorola ASTRO 25 core, there is no point in maintaining a separate Harris core, especially when having everything on a single core provides the highest degree of compatibility and seamless networking...no need for an ISSI connection between systems. Obviously the tower structures, antennas, microwave links, etc. can all be reused, so there's no waste there.

Yes, all of this comes at some cost, but after the nearly $1 billion they've sunk into the OpenSky system over the past 20 years, upgrading the Air-Ground system is chump change and well worth the investment to bring those sites up to date. Or to maybe get rid of some, yes, because there's certainly nothing wrong with realizing that some of the existing sites of the ASTRO 25 system will provide equal or better coverage than the Harris 700 sites currently provide. The Air-Ground system was never intended as a backup to OpenSky, and certainly not to the ASTRO 25 system, which has quite a bit of redundancy already factored in. That system was a band-aid to allow the aircraft to communicate with ground units, as the OpenSky system is even worse in the air than it is on the ground.

So yeah...its time has come, time to move ahead with a unified system.
 

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It may depend on who they are communicating with. A week or so ago Trooper 6 came up on Starnet on the Beaver Co Hailing TG after the jail break in the Clear. All comms on there were in the clear air and ground. So there is some hope in certain situations

That's not a PSP talkgroup. Those county hailing talkgroups are managed by PEMA for use by all agencies who decide to put them in their radios.
 

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I just got a couple key-up's with no voice on Global Common with RID4110023 on Allegheny Simulcast. Any clue who that might be?
 

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The 700 MHz Air-Ground system, which has been on the air for nearly 8 years now, has 30 repeaters total (10 sites with 3 repeaters each).

So now they're likely going to fold some or all of those sites into the larger ASTRO 25 TDMA system, which requires IP connected Motorola GTR8000 repeaters.



So yeah...its time has come, time to move ahead with a unified system.

/snip


So does that mean they're going to take down the 700 and replace with p25 ph2 VHF or ???


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So does that mean they're going to take down the 700 and replace with p25 ph2 VHF or ???
It remains to be seen what they do with the Harris 700 A-G sites. They did provision a 700 MHz site in Philly on the ASTRO 25 system, which led to the assumption that all 700 MHz sites would follow, but so far that hasn't played out as speculated.
 

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I don't remember where I saw this, but the following frequencies have been assigned to the Berks Co Geigertown site:
154.4525
154.6725
155.4450
155.6700
158.9175

Rich

I found them under Berks Co FCC licenses; they were issued in March 2020.
 
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I don't remember where I saw this, but the following frequencies have been assigned to the Berks Co Geigertown site:
154.4525
154.6725
155.4450
155.6700
158.9175

Rich

I found them under Berks Co FCC licenses; they were issued in March 2020.
 

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Thanks for the info.

Rich
 

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I was looking through the PennDOT Talkgroup Wiki, and noticed some "District 7" channels listed. District 7 hasn't existed for a good while to my knowledge, so I'm curious where those talkgroups may end up.
 

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I was looking through the PennDOT Talkgroup Wiki, and noticed some "District 7" channels listed. District 7 hasn't existed for a good while to my knowledge, so I'm curious where those talkgroups may end up.
I would assume in what ever area district 7 used to cover, I'm not familiar with where that was.
 

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I was looking through the PennDOT Talkgroup Wiki, and noticed some "District 7" channels listed. District 7 hasn't existed for a good while to my knowledge, so I'm curious where those talkgroups may end up.

District 7 hasn't existed since 1939 to be exact. Great question. I chalk it up to someone just going down a list numerically when they were creating talkgroups years ago without paying much attention to the map.
 

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District 7 hasn't existed since 1939 to be exact. Great question. I chalk it up to someone just going down a list numerically when they were creating talkgroups years ago without paying much attention to the map.
Wow I didn't know it was that long ago. Guess I learned something new today.
 

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District 7 hasn't existed since 1939 to be exact. Great question. I chalk it up to someone just going down a list numerically when they were creating talkgroups years ago without paying much attention to the map.
Old District 7 was the current district 8 area plus Juniata and Mifflin Counties.
 

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I'm getting multiple key-up's on 13466 with clear voice including "95, I'll be out of service for the day" on Allegheny Region Simulcast, as well as several hits on the Global Common channel, only 1 hit with clear voice. The system is fairly busy today.
 

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I'm getting multiple key-up's on 13466 with clear voice including "95, I'll be out of service for the day" on Allegheny Region Simulcast
I caught a brief transmission on this TG today on CHES02. Wiki suggests PA OSIG Welfare Fraud Western Region (though Chester County is on the southeast end of the state) so perhaps more than one region covered by this TG?
 
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