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Same forum from MyGMRS on using Part 90 radios for FRS/GMRS. Granted, it's a good idea to use radios that are typed accepted or certified for the services they're intended for. The FCC isn't about to go knock down on doors for users using the wrong radio, unless he or she strays is causing mayhem with the radios in commission of more serious offenses. Most of us are not only GMRS licensees, but also licensed Amateur Radio Operators so, we know where to tread and where not to tread. I can't tell anyone not to use a particular radio and I don't want someone telling which radio I can or can't. I know the boundaries and how to respect them.
 

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The FCC isn't about to go knock down on doors for users using the wrong radio, unless he or she strays is causing mayhem with the radios in commission of more serious offenses.

The FCC usually doesn't, however, they have.

They tend to go after the company selling the incorrectly type accepted equipment. That happens fairly frequently:



Most of us are not only GMRS licensees, but also licensed Amateur Radio Operators so, we know where to tread and where not to tread.

Unfortunately some hams have decided that GMRS is simply an extension of the 70cm band and see no problems what so ever using it as such, and happily modifying ham radios to transmit there. There's a number of posts on this site where this has been mentioned. Somewhere in fantasy land, there's a place where hams stick to ham bands and don't assume their license gives them access to anything other than the ham bands.
 

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I agree with Matthew - too many hams will quickly recommend a radio like the Icom IC-2730 as a great GMRS radio and will link to the MARS/CAP mod instructions. They typically use the argument that "the FCC doesn't care and would only care if you are actually doing something illegal with the radio". Anyone who tries to point out that modding the radio simply to use it on GMRS is illegal is often met with snide remarks and the ol' "point me to documentation showing the FCC fining someone solely because they had a modded radio" and often will add 'you can't because it doesn't happen".

Apparently legalities are only legalities if there is also documentation of someone getting caught/fined for said infraction.

The other argument that I've seen used is that the FCC is just an agency and can't make laws, "just guidance", and they claim has no legal power to do anything. Point out fines to them, etc., and they will say the people didn't have to pay them and the FCC couldn't do anything about it. Comical. But these people are out there on the air with modded radios. Worst part is when they are "leaders" of GMRS groups or 'clubs' telling the new members this stuff.
 

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I have my amateur radio license and my GMRS license along with separate radios for both. Yes I could unlock my Baofeng HT's and my TYT 2m/70cm adios to transmit on GMRS frequencies/channels but I won't consider doing that except in extreme emergencies and all of my GMRS compliant radios are down.

It's easier to stay out of trouble than it is to get out of trouble.
 

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Has anybody put all of the various GMRS radios on a list or do I just need to sort through the posts here?
 

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Post #3 in this thread shows how to make your own list.
This may be slightly better than what I posted back in 2013.

Under Application Information:
Application Status:
select All Granted Statuses

Under Equipment Information:
Frequency Range in MHz:
select 462.55 to 467.725 and uncheck Exact Match
Rule Parts (up to three):
select 95 and uncheck Exact Match

Under Formatting Options: Show results in You can select HTML to view it on the web site
or select Microsoft Excel or XML to generate a spread sheet.

I just tried the Microsoft Excel format and it generates a file that your browser will want to download.
I don't know how that works on a smart phone or Windows. On a Linux PC with Firefox it opens a download dialog box.

If you use part 95 instead of part 95A the results could be different. It might include FRS radios too. 95A should include only GMRS radios but some of them (and FRS and CB and MURS) might have only 95 without the letter. I need to check that.
Specifying the frequency range 462.55 to 467.725 should exclude MURS, CB, RC and other PRS devices.

Today that returned 3969 lines. Some radios have multiple grants or permissive changes so the actual number of devices is way less.
 
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GMRS is Part 95E.

Since GMRS is still "wideband", I think you may also need to filter the Part 95E list for radios with an emission designator of 16K0F3E. I see radios that claim to be GMRS, but their grant is only for 11K0F3E which is "narrowband".
 

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First off, I haven't read every post on the Part 90 vs. Part 95 issue for transceivers on GMRS on here.

Does anybody know exactly why the FCC doesn't allow all Part 90 devices on GMRS? It seems like the Part 90 requirements may be more stringent than Part 95.

I get why manufacturers design low end transceivers that comply with Part 95 for GMRS. They keep the costs down to appeal to the average consumer. Is there something that I am missing as far as why the FCC wouldn't simply make a comment that Part 90 devices are permissible for GMRS, assuming correct frequencies, bandwidth, modulation, etc.? I know Kenwood has some devices that comply with both Part 90 and Part 95. It almost seems like more of an oversight to me and splitting hairs.
 

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First off, I haven't read every post on the Part 90 vs. Part 95 issue for transceivers on GMRS on here.

Does anybody know exactly why the FCC doesn't allow all Part 90 devices on GMRS? It seems like the Part 90 requirements may be more stringent than Part 95.

I get why manufacturers design low end transceivers that comply with Part 95 for GMRS. They keep the costs down to appeal to the average consumer. Is there something that I am missing as far as why the FCC wouldn't simply make a comment that Part 90 devices are permissible for GMRS, assuming correct frequencies, bandwidth, modulation, etc.? I know Kenwood has some devices that comply with both Part 90 and Part 95. It almost seems like more of an oversight to me and splitting hairs.
There is a rule about a GMRS/FRS part 95 radio cannot have any other services operational in the same radio. A generic part 90 radio would not conform with that.
 

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There is a rule about a GMRS/FRS part 95 radio cannot have any other services operational in the same radio. A generic part 90 radio would not conform with that.
Thank you for that refresher. Now that I think back, there may have been some other devices that crossed that line and stopped production.

Although, I could be confusing it with FRS. There is, or at least was, Standard Horizon HX470S that has marine and FRS.

Are there still FRS and MURS combos? Are they good to go as long as it is FRS and MURS, not GMRS and MURS.
 

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Does anybody know exactly why the FCC doesn't allow all Part 90 devices on GMRS? It seems like the Part 90 requirements may be more stringent than Part 95.

I'm NOT the FCC, so I'm just sharing what I've observed over the years regarding type acceptance.

There is nothing in the current GMRS rules that says Part 90 radios can be used. The FCC rules seem very clear to me, that a radio used on GMRS must have Part 95 approval.
I know you know that, just laying that out for those in the back of the room or those that were not paying attention.

The type acceptance thing is supposed to be a way to make sure that the radio used on a specific radio service meets all the requirements and limitations of that radio service.
GMRS is pretty clear about what can and cannot be done with the radios. There is a hard power limit. There are emission and stability requirements.
While many/most Part 90 radios will meet those requirements, they do not meet ALL the requirements, or can provide features that are not compliant with GMRS. Requirements like no more than 50 watts. Things like running 5KHz deviation. Things like running analog and not digital.

If someone buys a radio that specifically has Part 95E approval, they can be reasonably assured that their raido meets the FCC requirements for GMRS.
When someone buys a Part 90 radio, or hacks open their ham radio, they may exceed power levels. They may be able to program digital modes. They may not meet the emission masks (looking at you, hammy rigs), etc. There's no shortage of posts on this site where someone who doesn't know better/doesn't care buys a 100 watt Motorola XTL UHF radio and plops it on GMRS. After all, more power is more better, right? Or those that insist on running DMR, P25 or whatever to teach those bubble pack users a lesson.

Some (maybe a few on here) actually have the knowledge and test equipment to make sure their chose radio meets ALL the requirements of the radio service. Most don't. Hammy Newham who just bought the latest digital capable CCR and assumes that GMRS is simply an extension of 70cm, or assumes that "All else HAS failed" will ASSume that their 35 questions make them a comms expurt teknishun, rarely does have the knowledge and usually not the right test gear.

Unfortunately, and as always, it only takes a handful of idiots to spoil all the apples in the radio basket.

I know Kenwood has some devices that comply with both Part 90 and Part 95. It almost seems like more of an oversight to me and splitting hairs.

Right, and if you look at those specific radios, like the TK-8180 450-520/30 watt model, they all fall well inside the requirements of GMRS. If you look at the H models of the TK-8180, they are advertised as "45 watts", but can be cranked up past 50 with the software.

Also, I'm assuming that Kenwood and others have to pay the certification bodies money to get the FCC approvals, and they don't want to spend the extra money, and know better not to spend money on a radio that doesn't meet the requirements.
 

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Thank you for that refresher. Now that I think back, there may have been some other devices that crossed that line and stopped production.

Although, I could be confusing it with FRS. There is, or at least was, Standard Horizon HX470S that has marine and FRS.

Are there still FRS and MURS combos? Are they good to go as long as it is FRS and MURS, not GMRS and MURS.

There was a Marine VHF/FRS radio out for a while, and the FCC shut that down.
There are no legal FRS + MURS radios. Both the MURS and FRS rules are very clear about that.

But as always, there are no shortage of Chinese companies that will market radios that will do both. Just like there's no shortage of users that will buy whatever excrement the Chinese send to our markets.
 

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Someone suggested that Alinco makes a GMRS Part 95 mobile.

My guess is that it is really Part 90 mobile. (And, even that surprises me.)

Although, with the Alinco DJ-G46 portable being available, perhaps they will have a forthcoming Part 95 mobile.

At the end of the day, is Alinco just another Cheap Chinese radio?
 

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Someone suggested that Alinco makes a GMRS Part 95 mobile.

My guess is that it is really Part 90 mobile. (And, even that surprises me.)

Alinco has had some low end/legit Part 90 stuff on the market off and on. Many years ago they even sold a UHF NXDN portable, one of the only outside Icom/Kenwood.

I know they had a few Part 90 mobiles. They looked an awful lot like their ham models with locked down firmware. Probably no legit radio shop would buy them. Seemed to be aimed at the ham crowd that felt they needed Part 90 capability.

Although, with the Alinco DJ-G46 portable being available, perhaps they will have a forthcoming Part 95 mobile.

At the end of the day, is Alinco just another Cheap Chinese radio?

They had some decent stuff at one time. I honestly haven't looked at their offerings in a while. Alinco was always a distant 4th to the big 3.
 

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Someone suggested that Alinco makes a GMRS Part 95 mobile.

My guess is that it is really Part 90 mobile. (And, even that surprises me.)

Although, with the Alinco DJ-G46 portable being available, perhaps they will have a forthcoming Part 95 mobile.

At the end of the day, is Alinco just another Cheap Chinese radio?

Looks like they are still selling NXDN and DMR radios. Not sure if they have Part 90 approvals, but it's worth a look. I'm not seeing a GMRS radio:
 

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...They had some decent stuff at one time. I honestly haven't looked at their offerings in a while. Alinco was always a distant 4th to the big 3.

That is how I felt about Azden. I don't think they have manufactured transceivers for quite some time now.

While I don't have anything against Midland, necessarily, I like seeing another choice for FCC Part 95 certified GMRS in the market.

I think for them to see, they are going to need to get their name out there in the circles of folks that might be inclined to use them. While I don't shop at Cabelas's every day, there is a group of folks that do shop there that might be inclined to buy them. Many will look at price only.

If they perform better than Midland's best GMRS Portable, that would be a good thing. And, time will tell on that.
 
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