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A couple of unknow active ones #52671/ #52677 these appear to be NCFS related/#52358 unk
I'm changing my thinking, heard 52358 this morning and they were talking about Raleigh taking too long to process request and getting keys from DOT so I'm not sure, no longer thinking medical even though it falls in that range. Thanks for the heads up @GMB951
 

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From this mornings FEMA Ops briefing:
Communications:
▪ GA: 21 counties with 50% or more of cell sites down
o All 911 calls are being answered; several 911 centers rerouted
▪ NC: 17 (-1) counties with 50% or more of cell sites down
o 16 (-3) PSAPs degraded, however 911 calls are being answered
o Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians: Communications remain heavily disrupted, and partial cellular and internet services
▪ SC: 2 counties with 50% or more of cell sites down
▪ TN: 1 (-1) county with 50% or more of cell sites down

(the (-1) means one fewer than yesterday's briefing.
 

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From this mornings FEMA Ops briefing:
Communications:
▪ GA: 21 counties with 50% or more of cell sites down
o All 911 calls are being answered; several 911 centers rerouted
▪ NC: 17 (-1) counties with 50% or more of cell sites down
o 16 (-3) PSAPs degraded, however 911 calls are being answered
o Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians: Communications remain heavily disrupted, and partial cellular and internet services
▪ SC: 2 counties with 50% or more of cell sites down
▪ TN: 1 (-1) county with 50% or more of cell sites down

(the (-1) means one fewer than yesterday's briefing.

For those that want to see the portion of the Ops Briefing for Post Helene ...
 

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I'm changing my thinking, heard 52358 this morning and they were talking about Raleigh taking too long to process request and getting keys from DOT so I'm not sure, no longer thinking medical even though it falls in that range. Thanks for the heads up @GMB951
Just heard 52358 and it sounded like UNC-TV engineers discussing checking their translators in Watauga and Ashe - Zionville, Boone, and WJ.
 

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Not sure what assets they have out that way but they actually have tractor trailers sized lithium batteries that can truck in for like hospitals to use for a week or so I believe
There are many civilian emergency response units. They probably have the large lithium battery power generation equipment. The cellular companies and companies like CISCO have mobile assets to provide temporary infrastructure after disasters.

DOD assets tend to be large diesel generators on skids and trailers.

CISCO provides quite a bit. I am sure others do to, but I am only familiar with what CISCO has done.




Elon Musk has been asked to provide Starlink assets.
 

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One of the many helicopters at Asheville airport preparing to deliver food to those stranded in western NC operating now as HAIRY02 (FEMA/DVIDS photo). I always like to see an actual photo of the helicopter I'm listening to on the NCNG TGs.

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Thats a Chinook CH-47. Observed many of those on Flightradar24. One came from Louisville Kentucky 2 days ago.
 

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Elon Musk has been asked to provide Starlink assets.

FEMA has provided 29 Starlink systems mainly to Law Enforcement dispatch centers and EM facilities, saw a private citizen on Facebook said he setup two at shelters giving out the passwords on FB.
 

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FEMA has provided 29 Starlink systems mainly to Law Enforcement dispatch centers and EM facilities, saw a private citizen on Facebook said he setup two at shelters giving out the passwords on FB.
Looking at news articles, apparently FEMA deployed 40 or so terminals but Musk has been requested to provide even more. No one anticipated this level of destruction. But, lessons learned from past disasters are showing up in this one. I have been thinking if this had happened prior to Katrina and the one in Puerto Rico this would be far worse.
 

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A report on the status of communications services in geographic areas impacted by Hurricane
Helene as of September 30, 2024, at 9:00 a.m. EDT. This report incorporates network outage data submitted
by communications providers to the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) Disaster Information
Reporting System (DIRS).
 

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Just released

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A report on the status of communications services in geographic areas impacted by Hurricane
Helene as of September 30, 2024, at 9:00 a.m. EDT. This report incorporates network outage data submitted
by communications providers to the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) Disaster Information
Reporting System (DIRS).
Just looking at the percentage of cell outages in NC shows that the most devistation is in Western NC. Not ignoring other areas, but largest outage in west NC.
 

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NC DPS/DOP western NC transportation and response to those state prisons on a USMS TG 60661
 

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Obviously a potential hazzard, but can't help thinking if a UH60, UH72 or especially a CH47 Chinook hit a drone that the aircrew would say "that was a big bug on the windshield!" Just a funny thought. They encounter far worse in combat areas.

Very true but a lot of the civilian helicopters helping wouldn't be as fortunate.
 

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I hope folks here on RR are monitoring FRS, GMRS and CB channels full time , as chances are stranded families still have access to those.
I am much too far away to receive any of that. You would need to be quite close to or in the affected area to hear them. Pretty sure any operating GMRS repeaters in the affected area are being monitored. But anyone that is safe and close enough might hear someone on FRS, GMRS simplex or CB. The range is quite limited for either. At best 2 miles and usually much less. I wouldn't depend on either for effective disaster comms.
 

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I am much too far away to receive any of that. You would need to be quite close to or in the affected area to hear them. Pretty sure any operating GMRS repeaters in the affected area are being monitored. But anyone that is safe and close enough might hear someone on FRS, GMRS simplex or CB. The range is quite limited for either. At best 2 miles and usually much less. I wouldn't depend on either for effective disaster comms.
99% of FRS/GMRS radio owners don't use or know of repeaters.

During a previous hurricane here in Central Florida, mostly flat ground, I advised my neighbors via NEXTDOOR to use FRS1 CSQ during the storm. I was surprised how very active it was and the only fly in the ointment that some parents ignored my advice to keep kids from playing on FRS1.

Henderson County NC has a map of families where contacts were made and where none was made. The map is quite evenly dotted, meaning that a family with contact outside could easily make radio contact with ones who have no communications. For whatever reason hiking to those neighbors might be treacherous or impossible.

FRS has indeed been useful in one rescue in Oregon where a hiker was heard 80 miles away by kids playing with FRS radios. The mountains can help, helicopters with radios, even just receivers, can help. I am surprised (maybe not) that the ARRL has not suggested this.
 
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