Saia/Goosetown DMR Tier 3 (MOTOTRBO Capacity Max)

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Rochester area, anyone want to check for a new CC. Site 102 - Attica, is reporting an additional neighbor of L5-116, CC 2181 as of this evening. I'm not even going to guess and try and use that calculator thing....
 
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I will, I will! <G> Actually with the exception of the 424 MHz frequency the calculator is showing exactly the frequencies versus CC numbers advertised by the system transmissions, so drum roll please, 2181 *should be* 463.6125.

EDIT: You beat me to it, but you just proved the calculator is accurate. So back to site 111 being 454.0625/CC=653, if I could receive it that is.
 

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The thing than steams my clams in a couple of cases with this system is that I can receive the older DMR SaiaNet sites from the same locations, Attica being a prime example right this minute, but there's no trace of the TIII system so far.
 

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EDIT: You beat me to it, but you just proved the calculator is accurate.
The only thing that illustrates is that the calculator is accurate in some cases with CapMax, particularly when a common band plan is followed, but it has not been definitively proved that it's accurate 100% of the time.
 

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The thing than steams my clams in a couple of cases with this system is that I can receive the older DMR SaiaNet sites from the same locations, Atica being a prime example right this minute, but there's no trace of the TIII system so far.
The CapMax system is in staging, and as such, some sites may be reporting as neighbors before the repeaters are actually on the air at a site. In other words, the repeaters might be in a rack at Saia getting built out, not yet deployed at the final location.
 

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The only thing that illustrates is that the calculator is accurate in some cases with CapMax, particularly when a common band plan is followed, but it has not been definitively proved that it's accurate 100% of the time.

Yes, I was referring specifically to the sites we collectively have logged and confirmed on this system.
 

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The CapMax system is in staging, and as such, some sites may be reporting as neighbors before the repeaters are actually on the air at a site. In other words, the repeaters might be in a rack at Saia getting built out, not yet deployed at the final location.
My 100% un-scientific, unofficial, probably wrong, thought on Site 102, its, its in its right home of on the tower in Attica. Only theory backing that up is, 1, its about the same strength I'm getting of the Site 2 Con+, 2, Its slightly stronger than the FM NXDN Site of Attica, which is consistent with what I normally get, but still weak, and 3, K2hz is getting it from out his way. So, theoretically, if it was sitting in the rack at Saia in Cheektowaga, at a reduced power, he shouldn't get it? Just my two cents, but I totally get it. That's probably the case for the Arcade Site though, or, we all just suck lol.
 

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I was speaking generally, not specifically about Attica or any other site. Just noting that a site may show up in the peer list before it's actually deployed.
 

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I am watching Bristol, that would be site 106, to see if it shows up next now that Rochester is on the air.

I have seen the situation, as discussed in previous posts, on other systems where a site appears on the NL while the site equipment is being tested but is not yet on the air. It makes sense to debug the site equipment package and network connectivity before it goes live. There is also the case where a site is turned up and problems discovered so it goes silent while the issues are resolved.
 

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The thing than steams my clams in a couple of cases with this system is that I can receive the older DMR SaiaNet sites from the same locations, Attica being a prime example right this minute, but there's no trace of the TIII system so far.

If you can't receive anything from Attica, DMRIII, check your gear.
 

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Attica is fine here, the software had switched to site 103 (454.600) which is far weaker for me from this distance. I'm 65+ miles northwest of Niagara Falls partially blocked by the Niagara Escarpment so not everything is equipment related - it's rocks. :rolleyes: As I mentioned in an earlier post I can receive the North Buffalo site with no problem at all while the downtown site has always been an issue. It's just that slight difference is azimuth from here to there.
 

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If you can't receive anything from Attica, DMRIII, check your gear.
My reception in Rochester of the 454.6625 Attica Site 106 CC is running about 10db stronger than Saia Net Site 2 464.225 CC. Maybe the DMRIII is on a different antenna. The Saia Net Site 2 channels tend to have fading issues here. I am seeing the 464.225 take frequent dips of 6-10 db. Apparently some reflection issues on the path to me. The 454.6625 is mostly stable with an occasional dip of about 3 db.
 

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Attica site 106? Please tell me that should say 102, my head already hurts enough! Hehe... for me the two Attica system CCs are only about 2 dB difference using an Airspy on DSD+, neither one strong by any means though.
 

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Attica site 106? Please tell me that should say 102, my head already hurts enough! Hehe... for me the two Attica system CCs are only about 2 dB difference using an Airspy on DSD+, neither one strong by any means though.
Sorry about that! It was a typo Attica is 102.
 

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I don't know if it is relevant to this system but I see Saia has an FCC application pending to move WPGH203 (Site 4) from Elmwood Ave to 3 Ida Pl, Lancaster.
 

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TG 500101, and now TG 500102 (Saia Tech's RID's) are rockin' EP..... it was fun while it lasted :cautious:
 
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