Septa? 453.800 CC14

[Whiskey3JMC]

Hearing repeated automated voice radio testing "Test 1...Test 1...Test 1..." over and over again from 453.800 TGID 16777215, Slot-2, CC14 with RAS. Any future plans for Septa migrating over to DMR?

And yet the phantom P25 data bursts continue from the remaining frequencies on the license, NAC293 with no voice traffic ever logged

FCC Callsign WQBI660 (SOUTHEASTERN PENNSYLVANIA TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY)

FCC Callsign WQBI660 (SOUTHEASTERN PENNSYLVANIA TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY)

www.radioreference.com

 

[trentbob]

System locations are very consistent with bus operations.. by the way, listening to SEPTA police loud and clear on 502 MHz.

 

[rgchristy]

Guess it's time to load them all up in the recording rotation to see what pops up...

 

[rgchristy]

453.050 MHz is going to be tough find in analog because of this:

Freq Out	Freq In	Tone	Callsign	Description	Category	Agency/County	State
453.050		CSQ	WQAP302	EMS OPS1, Fire TAC 3/4 patch	Fire Simulcasts New Castle County	New Castle	DE

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

Logging analog activity now from radio techs (humans this time, no automation), same frequency (453.800) PL 131.8. Testing radios at various Septa stops along the Norristown HSL (Hughes Park, Gulph Mills, Matson Ford...)

 

[HM1529]

Both of these links reference a 700MHz P25 Phase 2 system as the replacement for the current T Band TRS.

SEPTA Computer-Aided Radio Dispatch Replacement System

The Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority (SEPTA), the regional public transportation authority providing a comprehensive transit network of buses, trains, trolleys, and subways to the City of Philadelphia and surrounding counties, has enlisted TYLin and our global alliance partner...

www.tylin.com

https://www.introba.com/work/projects/septa-card-replacement-system

 

[HM1529]

Both of these links reference a 700MHz P25 Phase 2 system as the replacement for the current T Band TRS.

SEPTA Computer-Aided Radio Dispatch Replacement System

The Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority (SEPTA), the regional public transportation authority providing a comprehensive transit network of buses, trains, trolleys, and subways to the City of Philadelphia and surrounding counties, has enlisted TYLin and our global alliance partner...

www.tylin.com

https://www.introba.com/work/projects/septa-card-replacement-system

Of course, this project has been lingering for a long while now....

New SEPTA P25 Phase 2 TRS

ULS Application - Trunked Public Safety 700 MHz - 0007737579 - Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority Keep the ears open.

forums.radioreference.com

 

[rgchristy]

This is what I have so far:

Frequency

Mode

Tone

Slot

Color

Group

PD Sector

Alpha Tag

Description

ID

Active

License

Expiration

453.05000

SEPTA ?

SEPTA ?

WQBI660

10/15/2034

453.05000

P25C

NAC 293

?

? RID: 6332, 6400, 6602

RECORD

3/13/2025

453.05000

FMN

CSQ

NCC EMS FIRE PATCH

DEL NCC EMS OPS 1/FIRE TAC 3/4 PATCH

RECORD

3/7/2025

WQAP302

7/13/2034

453.15000

FMN

SEPTA ?

SEPTA ?

WQBI660

10/15/2034

453.15000

FMN

NAC 293

1

?

RID: 6388, 6608, 6786, 6276

RECORD

3/11/2025

453.20000

FMN

SEPTA ?

SEPTA ?

WQBI660

10/15/2034

453.20000

P25C

?

? RID: 6276, 6432, 6609, 6685

RECORD

3/14/2025

453.55000

FMN

SEPTA ?

SEPTA ?

WQBI660

10/15/2034

453.75000

FMN

SEPTA ?

SEPTA ?

WQBI660

10/15/2034

453.75000

P25C

NAC 293

?

? RID: 6426, 6460

RECORD

3/15/2025

453.80000

FMN

SEPTA ?

SEPTA ?

WQBI660

10/15/2034

453.80000

DMR

2

14

16777215

SEPTA ?

SEPTA RADIO TESTING DMR

RR

3/6/2025

WQBI660

10/15/2034

453.80000

FMN

131.8 PL

SEPTA ?

SEPTA RADIO TESTING

RECORD

3/14/2025

WQBI660

10/15/2034

453.80000

FMN

141.3 PL

SEPTA ?

NO VOICE

RECORD

3/14/2025

I believe that the P25 NAC 293 that I'm hearing, belongs to Brick Twp., Ocean County, NJ, but I'm not sure.

FCC Callsign KUQ731 (BRICK, TOWNSHIP OF)

FCC Callsign KUQ731 (BRICK, TOWNSHIP OF)

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The 453.800 131.8 PL was fairly consistent last week at various SEPTA stops. They mentioned MacDade Blvd in Delco, at one point.

I received alternating 131.8 PL & 141.3 PL on 453.800, but no voice was heard on 141.3 PL. There were also periods of static on both.

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

I believe that the P25 NAC 293 that I'm hearing, belongs to Brick Twp., Ocean County, NJ, but I'm not sure.

Likely not. I wouldn't be receiving Brick Twp full signal (or at all) from Montco PA. Those repeaters burst data with that NAC every couple of seconds (453.050, 453.150, 453.200, 453.750). Looking at the RIDs you logged they seem to coincide with the Septa CCT bus numbering scheme (6000 series) They used to have talkgroups on the T-band TRS but I've been sitting on that department for about 15 minutes now and nary a peep. I'm guessing the UIDs you logged are fully encrypted? Never really sat on them long enough to log any activity. I'll try throwing them all into SDRTrunk and observe the logs

 

[rgchristy]

Thanks for the info John!

I was winging it on that one!

I didn't see that SEPTA was licensed for P25, but I could be wrong.

I only get short 1-2 second blips when I receive everything, except for 453.800.