At this point, my biggest hindrance in exploring this radio further is that The State of Connecticut has not certified it for use on the State's system.
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So, is the BKR9000 really vapourware?
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THAT'S JUST NOT RIGHT! I do see the bugs both on the KNG and the M150 line. Very frustrating but workable. As for selling used as new, that Dealer should be dealt with. The BKR9000 is debuted on their website, so go look and see what has changed. Notice the PTT is similar to the batwind. Otherwise besides the ALL BAND, the programming is close to the KNG and BKR5000.
Talked to my dealer yesterday, and I was told. They are currently accepting orders for the 9000, but not to expect delivery till after January 1.
The Dealers are suppose to receive their radios (if they ordered them and IF they passed the qualifying test) in January. Mine are shipping Jan. 13th. KB is accepting orders like you said.
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The few KNG rigs I've seen on our state system seem to be performing poorly. Most users have relegated them to FPP wildland use and gone back to Moto.
Actually, I have heard from a number of folks that they wish the GPH/DPH line would just come back as everyone knew how to use them, everyone already had the accessories, and since the KNG isn't great on trunking, there is no problem with the DPH. I really want to believe that the 9k will be better for trunking but I have my doubts.
KG7PBS
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I am really not happy with DMR not happening now. Will probably go with Harris XL2/400 line of radios for our upgrades
Sounds like the new Kenwood Viking all band will be upgradeable to add DMR
mmckenna
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? The Harris doesn't do DMR, either.
If you need DMR, P25 and Multiband, you probably need the Kenwood VP8000, or the new Tait TP9800. The Kenwood is supposed to get DMR soon, and Tait mentioned the same thing.
Never heard Harris say anything about adding DMR to the XL line.
KG7PBS
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ya I know Harris won’t have the DMR. But I don’t know much about the Kenwood VP8000. Though I like the Tait I hope it keeps the DMR. We do a lot of work with 49er communications out of grass Valley.
they have Tait radios so if we were to make purchases, I’d get them through their
A follow up question for you on the narrowband wideband discussion I initiated about the 9000 being able to still do 5 khz deviation. Are not some 800 systems still operating in 25 khz wideband albeit with a reduction to 4 khz instead of 5 but still not a true 2.5 khz narrowband spec? If that is the case wouldn't the 9000 need to retain the wideband emission capability ? (at least to 4 khz practically speaking and I do ).
A follow up question for you on the narrowband wideband discussion I initiated about the 9000 being able to still do 5 khz deviation. Are not some 800 systems still operating in 25 khz wideband albeit with a reduction to 4 khz instead of 5 but still not a true 2.5 khz narrowband spec? If that is the case wouldn't the 9000 need to retain the wideband emission capability ? (at least to 4 khz practically speaking and I do get the Part 90 issue and the FCC designations ).
mmckenna
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Yes, 800MHz was not impacted by the FCC narrowbanding mandate in 2013. 800MHz stayed 5KHz deviation, except for the NPSPAC channels that were 4KHz.
700MHz has been 12.5KHz for a long time. Same with 900MHz.
The FCC required most of the VHF and UHF stuff to go narrow band on January 01, 2013. In the requirement was a rule that required the manufacturers to remove the option of 5KHz deviation. BK is just following those rules, as are the others. T-Band UHF has stayed wide (5KHz), but I expect that'll get updated in the future to only allow 2.5KHz.
So, you'll usually see the new radios are limited to 2.5KHz deviation analog on VHF and UHF and still permitted to run 5KHz and 4KHz on 800MHz.
One thing to remember is the narrowband requirement for VHF and UHF was only for Part 90. You have some manufactures that got lazy and applied it across the board. Ham, marine, Part 22 etc all are exempt from the narrowbard requirement
I agree, that's kind of what I was getting at if they had made some bands specifically wideband
mmckenna
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It really depends.
Kenwood allows wide band analog below 150.100MHz, so their VHF radios are fine for 2 meter use.
Kenwood UHF radios are narrow analog only on UHF (remember, ham radio is secondary on 70cm).
Most of the recent Kenwood radios have Part 80 certification, but don't allow wide band unless you have a W-license. Technically, it does require a GROL license to legally program VHF marine into a radio.
But most of it was designed around keeping people from unintentionally programming radios as wide. Since there really isn't a restriction on who programs radios for Part 90 use, they had to make sure people wouldn't screw it up.
I have Kenwood W-licenses for some of my software. Back then, you had to submit an application to Kenwood and had to provide proof why you needed it.
I was wondering about the Kenwood's whether they had retained that ability for the new radio's coming out such as the VP8000. Are you able to still get a wideband license for their software provided you show proof of need?
mmckenna
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I don't know. Haven't tried.
I can't even explore the BKR9000 after all these years of waiting to see if it was going to exist and be viable. There apparently remains an issue with FCC certification in the 700mhz band. Additionally, the radio remains unauthorized for use on The State of Connecticut Land Mobile Radio Network (CLMRN) ... ugh !!
Project25_MASTR
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It's a feature license with the VP8000. There is a note (at the moment) in the catalog that states something along the lines of "Federal and Non-US only". I don't have one to play with but I would assume there is some sort of band limitation logic in there similar to what we see with the APX line where you don't have to have secret squirrel access for for services where wideband is generally okay.
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I seem to remember some volunteer FDs looking to get 25kHz CPS waivers / bypass because their paging systems were still wide band, the narrow band setting was distorting tones that prevented the 2 tone sequential decode from opening the speaker.
Might have been this one but I can't remember if the P-100 had 2 tone decode.
Might have been this one but I can't remember if the P-100 had 2 tone decode.
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Isn't that basically a nationwide issue? In Colorado we have a Statewide system with numerous sites that use 700, although most are 800. I'm guessing most states are the same. As I recall the new NM system is primarily if not exclusively 700. I don't see why BK wouldn't already have that taken care of. 7/800 trunked systems aren't exactly brand new lol ......
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