Stelco again???

[slicerwizard]

As there are no TGs listed, someone may have assumed Type II but never
actually figured it out. I don't think they would have switched from Type II to
I, but you never know, may have bought a used system from someone, which
was already set up as Type I (not likely though).

The system broadcasts a SysID, so it is Type II (capable). Since Type I IDs are being seen, it's a hybrid system.

Let's see what comes out of this exercise...

Eric sent me a nice log file this morning; it contains nearly 500 raw IDs. Some of those will be from radios tuning to different subfleets, so they represent less than 500 physical radios. The IDs are listed in subsequent posts.


This is a list of some of the tailgating events (one ID follows another on the same voice channel); it shows that blocks zero, one and two use 8 bits for individual IDs, so those blocks are using sizecodes I, J or K (S9, S10 or S11).

ID1      ID2       ID1 (binary)          ID2 (binary)         changed bits
091A and 0994    000 0100100011010 and 000 0100110010100    0000000010001110
094B and 09FD    000 0100101001011 and 000 0100111111101    0000000010110110
094B and 09FD    000 0100101001011 and 000 0100111111101    0000000010110110
2503 and 25D4    001 0010100000011 and 001 0010111010100    0000000011010111
2504 and 25E6    001 0010100000100 and 001 0010111100110    0000000011100010
2505 and 25F6    001 0010100000101 and 001 0010111110110    0000000011110011
251A and 259F    001 0010100011010 and 001 0010110011111    0000000010000101
251A and 259F    001 0010100011010 and 001 0010110011111    0000000010000101
251A and 25CD    001 0010100011010 and 001 0010111001101    0000000011010111
251A and 25CD    001 0010100011010 and 001 0010111001101    0000000011010111
251A and 25CD    001 0010100011010 and 001 0010111001101    0000000011010111
251A and 25D0    001 0010100011010 and 001 0010111010000    0000000011001010
251A and 25D3    001 0010100011010 and 001 0010111010011    0000000011001001
251A and 25E3    001 0010100011010 and 001 0010111100011    0000000011111001
251A and 25F8    001 0010100011010 and 001 0010111111000    0000000011100010
2522 and 25E3    001 0010100100010 and 001 0010111100011    0000000011000001
2541 and 25D4    001 0010101000001 and 001 0010111010100    0000000010010101
2548 and 25F6    001 0010101001000 and 001 0010111110110    0000000010111110
254F and 259C    001 0010101001111 and 001 0010110011100    0000000011010011
296D and 2985    001 0100101101101 and 001 0100110000101    0000000011101000
2D0B and 2D89    001 0110100001011 and 001 0110110001001    0000000010000010
2D0F and 2D89    001 0110100001111 and 001 0110110001001    0000000010000110
2D38 and 2D89    001 0110100111000 and 001 0110110001001    0000000010110001
2D63 and 2D89    001 0110101100011 and 001 0110110001001    0000000011101010
2D78 and 2D95    001 0110101111000 and 001 0110110010101    0000000011101101
3100 and 31C5    001 1000100000000 and 001 1000111000101    0000000011000101
3100 and 31D8    001 1000100000000 and 001 1000111011000    0000000011011000
3105 and 31DA    001 1000100000101 and 001 1000111011010    0000000011011111
310B and 31C5    001 1000100001011 and 001 1000111000101    0000000011001110
311F and 31DA    001 1000100011111 and 001 1000111011010    0000000011000101
313F and 31DA    001 1000100111111 and 001 1000111011010    0000000011100101
3165 and 31DA    001 1000101100101 and 001 1000111011010    0000000010111111
3166 and 31D8    001 1000101100110 and 001 1000111011000    0000000010111110
466B and 468A    010 0011001101011 and 010 0011010001010    0000000011100001
4919 and 49CC    010 0100100011001 and 010 0100111001100    0000000011010101
491D and 49FB    010 0100100011101 and 010 0100111111011    0000000011100110

 

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ID list (1 of 2)

 ID   ------binary-----  HitCount (# of OSWs)
0306  000 0001100000110  2688 hits
0307  000 0001100000111   108 hits
030A  000 0001100001010  1079 hits
030D  000 0001100001101   464 hits
030E  000 0001100001110  3283 hits
0310  000 0001100010000  1455 hits
0311  000 0001100010001   387 hits
0312  000 0001100010010   233 hits
0314  000 0001100010100   406 hits
0315  000 0001100010101    72 hits
0317  000 0001100010111   348 hits
0501  000 0010100000001   358 hits
050B  000 0010100001011   963 hits
050C  000 0010100001100   692 hits
050D  000 0010100001101    20 hits
050E  000 0010100001110   139 hits
050F  000 0010100001111  1196 hits
0510  000 0010100010000     8 hits
0513  000 0010100010011   523 hits
0515  000 0010100010101    97 hits
0518  000 0010100011000   264 hits
051A  000 0010100011010   113 hits
0521  000 0010100100001   107 hits
0531  000 0010100110001  1504 hits
0535  000 0010100110101   236 hits
0541  000 0010101000001    44 hits
0543  000 0010101000011  1406 hits
0545  000 0010101000101   306 hits
0547  000 0010101000111     4 hits
0548  000 0010101001000   122 hits
055A  000 0010101011010   451 hits
055B  000 0010101011011    58 hits
055E  000 0010101011110    69 hits
0568  000 0010101101000    85 hits
056C  000 0010101101100   353 hits
056F  000 0010101101111   185 hits
0571  000 0010101110001   987 hits
057B  000 0010101111011   227 hits
057D  000 0010101111101   116 hits
0593  000 0010110010011    18 hits
059A  000 0010110011010    36 hits
05A3  000 0010110100011    12 hits
05A4  000 0010110100100   152 hits
05D9  000 0010111011001   110 hits
05E0  000 0010111100000   901 hits
05F1  000 0010111110001   853 hits
090E  000 0100100001110   569 hits
0918  000 0100100011000  1946 hits
091A  000 0100100011010  1957 hits
091D  000 0100100011101   575 hits
0923  000 0100100100011    67 hits
0926  000 0100100100110   263 hits
0927  000 0100100100111  1203 hits
0928  000 0100100101000   708 hits
0930  000 0100100110000   618 hits
0935  000 0100100110101  2180 hits
0937  000 0100100110111   588 hits
093E  000 0100100111110    34 hits
093F  000 0100100111111   441 hits
0943  000 0100101000011   133 hits
0945  000 0100101000101   139 hits
094B  000 0100101001011 16557 hits
094F  000 0100101001111   139 hits
0951  000 0100101010001    36 hits
0959  000 0100101011001   490 hits
095A  000 0100101011010     8 hits
0961  000 0100101100001   685 hits
0962  000 0100101100010  1451 hits
096B  000 0100101101011   125 hits
096C  000 0100101101100  1061 hits
096F  000 0100101101111   353 hits
0970  000 0100101110000    10 hits
0971  000 0100101110001   219 hits
0975  000 0100101110101  1076 hits
097B  000 0100101111011    31 hits
097D  000 0100101111101   188 hits
0994  000 0100110010100   487 hits
09B6  000 0100110110110    64 hits
09D5  000 0100111010101   112 hits
09EF  000 0100111101111  1205 hits
09FB  000 0100111111011   126 hits
09FD  000 0100111111101  1312 hits
0D12  000 0110100010010  1482 hits
0D18  000 0110100011000  3187 hits
0D1A  000 0110100011010   131 hits
0D28  000 0110100101000    35 hits
0D2E  000 0110100101110   532 hits
0D30  000 0110100110000   283 hits
0D33  000 0110100110011    71 hits
0D34  000 0110100110100   124 hits
0D35  000 0110100110101   294 hits
0D3B  000 0110100111011   252 hits
0D3C  000 0110100111100  1276 hits
0D3D  000 0110100111101  2259 hits
0D41  000 0110101000001   131 hits
0D42  000 0110101000010   371 hits
0D44  000 0110101000100   141 hits
0D49  000 0110101001001   103 hits
0D4F  000 0110101001111  1022 hits
0D55  000 0110101010101    72 hits
0D57  000 0110101010111   223 hits
0D5A  000 0110101011010  1874 hits
0D5C  000 0110101011100  1215 hits
0D61  000 0110101100001   969 hits
0D71  000 0110101110001   128 hits
0D7C  000 0110101111100    16 hits
0D83  000 0110110000011   393 hits
0DB9  000 0110110111001    84 hits
0DC6  000 0110111000110    56 hits
0DCE  000 0110111001110   964 hits
1121  000 1000100100001    51 hits
1141  000 1000101000001   375 hits
1145  000 1000101000101   705 hits
114B  000 1000101001011   241 hits
114E  000 1000101001110   996 hits
114F  000 1000101001111    79 hits
115A  000 1000101011010   608 hits
115E  000 1000101011110   258 hits
1163  000 1000101100011    15 hits
1164  000 1000101100100   157 hits
1168  000 1000101101000   739 hits
1176  000 1000101110110    48 hits
117B  000 1000101111011   602 hits
1185  000 1000110000101   160 hits
11A2  000 1000110100010   179 hits
11A4  000 1000110100100    36 hits
11A9  000 1000110101001   368 hits
11B7  000 1000110110111   107 hits
11BB  000 1000110111011    29 hits
11BD  000 1000110111101   461 hits
1541  000 1010101000001   877 hits
154E  000 1010101001110    45 hits
155E  000 1010101011110   147 hits
2135  001 0000100110101     7 hits
2502  001 0010100000010    29 hits
2503  001 0010100000011   467 hits
2504  001 0010100000100  2280 hits
2505  001 0010100000101   440 hits
2506  001 0010100000110   196 hits
2512  001 0010100010010    19 hits
2516  001 0010100010110   576 hits
251A  001 0010100011010  5772 hits
251E  001 0010100011110    57 hits
2522  001 0010100100010  4213 hits
2523  001 0010100100011   786 hits
2533  001 0010100110011   405 hits
2538  001 0010100111000   104 hits
2541  001 0010101000001   276 hits
2544  001 0010101000100   156 hits
2548  001 0010101001000  3980 hits
254B  001 0010101001011   822 hits
254C  001 0010101001100   310 hits
254F  001 0010101001111   838 hits
2557  001 0010101010111   290 hits
257A  001 0010101111010    55 hits
2581  001 0010110000001  2272 hits
2591  001 0010110010001   128 hits
259C  001 0010110011100  1252 hits
259F  001 0010110011111  2255 hits
25AC  001 0010110101100    68 hits
25B6  001 0010110110110   366 hits
25B8  001 0010110111000   173 hits
25CD  001 0010111001101  1969 hits
25CE  001 0010111001110   740 hits
25CF  001 0010111001111   956 hits
25D0  001 0010111010000  1517 hits
25D2  001 0010111010010   875 hits
25D3  001 0010111010011   720 hits
25D4  001 0010111010100   580 hits
25D5  001 0010111010101   158 hits
25DD  001 0010111011101   229 hits
25DF  001 0010111011111   463 hits
25E0  001 0010111100000   230 hits
25E3  001 0010111100011  1003 hits
25E5  001 0010111100101   425 hits
25E6  001 0010111100110  1122 hits
25ED  001 0010111101101    16 hits
25EE  001 0010111101110   334 hits
25F2  001 0010111110010    99 hits
25F5  001 0010111110101    21 hits
25F6  001 0010111110110  1417 hits
25F8  001 0010111111000   522 hits
25F9  001 0010111111001   225 hits
25FB  001 0010111111011   678 hits
2903  001 0100100000011   193 hits
2905  001 0100100000101   267 hits
2915  001 0100100010101  1362 hits
291A  001 0100100011010   108 hits
291F  001 0100100011111   292 hits
2920  001 0100100100000   525 hits
2922  001 0100100100010   451 hits
2937  001 0100100110111   130 hits
2939  001 0100100111001   174 hits
293D  001 0100100111101   113 hits
293E  001 0100100111110    16 hits
293F  001 0100100111111   100 hits
2940  001 0100101000000   435 hits
2943  001 0100101000011    36 hits
2946  001 0100101000110   276 hits
2948  001 0100101001000   167 hits
294C  001 0100101001100   561 hits
2955  001 0100101010101    29 hits
2959  001 0100101011001    82 hits
295B  001 0100101011011   753 hits
295D  001 0100101011101   653 hits
295F  001 0100101011111   171 hits
2967  001 0100101100111   180 hits
2969  001 0100101101001   258 hits
296D  001 0100101101101   290 hits
2970  001 0100101110000    36 hits
2978  001 0100101111000   408 hits
297E  001 0100101111110    95 hits
2980  001 0100110000000    70 hits
2982  001 0100110000010    73 hits
2983  001 0100110000011   111 hits
2985  001 0100110000101   299 hits
2986  001 0100110000110    81 hits
2987  001 0100110000111   147 hits
298C  001 0100110001100    19 hits
2999  001 0100110011001    80 hits
29B5  001 0100110110101   120 hits
29B6  001 0100110110110   195 hits
29C1  001 0100111000001    10 hits
29C5  001 0100111000101   104 hits
29D2  001 0100111010010    58 hits
29DB  001 0100111011011   278 hits
29DD  001 0100111011101    95 hits
29DE  001 0100111011110   674 hits
29E8  001 0100111101000    15 hits
29F0  001 0100111110000   317 hits
29F3  001 0100111110011   677 hits

 

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ID list (2 of 2)

 ID   ------binary-----  HitCount (# of OSWs)
2D03  001 0110100000011     6 hits
2D04  001 0110100000100   276 hits
2D07  001 0110100000111   121 hits
2D08  001 0110100001000  1320 hits
2D0B  001 0110100001011  1715 hits
2D0D  001 0110100001101   330 hits
2D0E  001 0110100001110   574 hits
2D0F  001 0110100001111   895 hits
2D12  001 0110100010010   711 hits
2D33  001 0110100110011  2394 hits
2D37  001 0110100110111   127 hits
2D38  001 0110100111000   407 hits
2D39  001 0110100111001    22 hits
2D3B  001 0110100111011   113 hits
2D3D  001 0110100111101   111 hits
2D40  001 0110101000000   178 hits
2D44  001 0110101000100   102 hits
2D45  001 0110101000101   228 hits
2D46  001 0110101000110   577 hits
2D48  001 0110101001000    21 hits
2D49  001 0110101001001   241 hits
2D4A  001 0110101001010   125 hits
2D4B  001 0110101001011  2880 hits
2D4D  001 0110101001101   263 hits
2D4E  001 0110101001110   730 hits
2D4F  001 0110101001111  2835 hits
2D50  001 0110101010000    70 hits
2D54  001 0110101010100   248 hits
2D56  001 0110101010110   228 hits
2D62  001 0110101100010   503 hits
2D63  001 0110101100011  2628 hits
2D66  001 0110101100110     5 hits
2D68  001 0110101101000    90 hits
2D6A  001 0110101101010   281 hits
2D6B  001 0110101101011    14 hits
2D6F  001 0110101101111   207 hits
2D71  001 0110101110001   316 hits
2D73  001 0110101110011  1247 hits
2D78  001 0110101111000  3359 hits
2D7A  001 0110101111010   253 hits
2D80  001 0110110000000   113 hits
2D89  001 0110110001001  1534 hits
2D94  001 0110110010100  1042 hits
2D95  001 0110110010101   417 hits
2D98  001 0110110011000    93 hits
2DAE  001 0110110101110   235 hits
2DB0  001 0110110110000   305 hits
2DB1  001 0110110110001   443 hits
2DBA  001 0110110111010   552 hits
2DBB  001 0110110111011    82 hits
2DFA  001 0110111111010    61 hits
3100  001 1000100000000  4208 hits
3102  001 1000100000010   214 hits
3103  001 1000100000011   535 hits
3104  001 1000100000100   115 hits
3105  001 1000100000101  2576 hits
310B  001 1000100001011  1142 hits
311F  001 1000100011111  1614 hits
3124  001 1000100100100   967 hits
312C  001 1000100101100   312 hits
313F  001 1000100111111   969 hits
314C  001 1000101001100    76 hits
3165  001 1000101100101  1345 hits
3166  001 1000101100110   772 hits
316D  001 1000101101101    44 hits
31C2  001 1000111000010   885 hits
31C5  001 1000111000101  2333 hits
31D7  001 1000111010111  2811 hits
31D8  001 1000111011000   685 hits
31DA  001 1000111011010  3792 hits
390B  001 1100100001011    86 hits
3910  001 1100100010000   113 hits
3916  001 1100100010110   860 hits
3933  001 1100100110011   747 hits
3936  001 1100100110110   502 hits
3950  001 1100101010000  2282 hits
3952  001 1100101010010    45 hits
3954  001 1100101010100   114 hits
397D  001 1100101111101    16 hits
398C  001 1100110001100   389 hits
3990  001 1100110010000   737 hits
399C  001 1100110011100    73 hits
39AD  001 1100110101101    47 hits
39C3  001 1100111000011   113 hits
39C7  001 1100111000111   388 hits
39EF  001 1100111101111     9 hits
39FB  001 1100111111011   811 hits
4605  010 0011000000101   676 hits
460B  010 0011000001011  2450 hits
4611  010 0011000010001   185 hits
461C  010 0011000011100   184 hits
4624  010 0011000100100   174 hits
462A  010 0011000101010   161 hits
4645  010 0011001000101    42 hits
464A  010 0011001001010    45 hits
464E  010 0011001001110    43 hits
4659  010 0011001011001   116 hits
465B  010 0011001011011     9 hits
466A  010 0011001101010   466 hits
466B  010 0011001101011  1029 hits
466C  010 0011001101100   404 hits
466D  010 0011001101101   267 hits
466E  010 0011001101110   202 hits
4674  010 0011001110100    56 hits
467A  010 0011001111010    59 hits
4688  010 0011010001000    89 hits
468A  010 0011010001010  2676 hits
468B  010 0011010001011    69 hits
468E  010 0011010001110   218 hits
4699  010 0011010011001   567 hits
469B  010 0011010011011   543 hits
469C  010 0011010011100   171 hits
469D  010 0011010011101   842 hits
469F  010 0011010011111   852 hits
46A6  010 0011010100110   109 hits
46A9  010 0011010101001   221 hits
46BD  010 0011010111101    26 hits
46C1  010 0011011000001   438 hits
46C6  010 0011011000110   215 hits
46CA  010 0011011001010   210 hits
4701  010 0011100000001   164 hits
472B  010 0011100101011   450 hits
4738  010 0011100111000    13 hits
4776  010 0011101110110   129 hits
4777  010 0011101110111   811 hits
4785  010 0011110000101   230 hits
4788  010 0011110001000    72 hits
4789  010 0011110001001    48 hits
4799  010 0011110011001   109 hits
4913  010 0100100010011   196 hits
4914  010 0100100010100     6 hits
4915  010 0100100010101   115 hits
4917  010 0100100010111    87 hits
4918  010 0100100011000   220 hits
4919  010 0100100011001   761 hits
491A  010 0100100011010    87 hits
491D  010 0100100011101   612 hits
4924  010 0100100100100    52 hits
4926  010 0100100100110  1230 hits
4928  010 0100100101000   535 hits
492D  010 0100100101101   269 hits
492E  010 0100100101110   897 hits
4944  010 0100101000100    13 hits
4980  010 0100110000000    64 hits
499A  010 0100110011010   368 hits
49A6  010 0100110100110   500 hits
49AB  010 0100110101011   757 hits
49AD  010 0100110101101   150 hits
49AE  010 0100110101110   458 hits
49B1  010 0100110110001   427 hits
49B2  010 0100110110010   349 hits
49B4  010 0100110110100   466 hits
49B6  010 0100110110110    51 hits
49CA  010 0100111001010    32 hits
49CB  010 0100111001011   144 hits
49CC  010 0100111001100   962 hits
49CD  010 0100111001101   417 hits
49CE  010 0100111001110   214 hits
49D1  010 0100111010001   441 hits
49D2  010 0100111010010   197 hits
49D4  010 0100111010100   374 hits
49D7  010 0100111010111   189 hits
49DB  010 0100111011011   132 hits
49E9  010 0100111101001   205 hits
49F1  010 0100111110001   371 hits
49F2  010 0100111110010   215 hits
49FB  010 0100111111011   777 hits
608A  011 0000010001010    15 hits
60A9  011 0000010101001    12 hits
6485  011 0010010000101   285 hits
648C  011 0010010001100   879 hits
648D  011 0010010001101   258 hits
649B  011 0010010011011    89 hits
649C  011 0010010011100  1026 hits
649D  011 0010010011101    44 hits
64A7  011 0010010100111    49 hits
64AB  011 0010010101011   403 hits
64AE  011 0010010101110   181 hits
64B2  011 0010010110010    11 hits
64B4  011 0010010110100   712 hits
64B5  011 0010010110101   864 hits
64B6  011 0010010110110   108 hits
64B9  011 0010010111001    23 hits
64BA  011 0010010111010   693 hits
64BE  011 0010010111110    10 hits
64CE  011 0010011001110    79 hits
64CF  011 0010011001111   233 hits
64D1  011 0010011010001   180 hits
64D4  011 0010011010100   574 hits
64D8  011 0010011011000    58 hits
64DA  011 0010011011010   141 hits
64DC  011 0010011011100   165 hits
64DE  011 0010011011110   106 hits
64DF  011 0010011011111   804 hits
64E0  011 0010011100000   687 hits
64E1  011 0010011100001    56 hits
64E3  011 0010011100011  2310 hits
64E4  011 0010011100100  1469 hits
64E5  011 0010011100101   248 hits
64F0  011 0010011110000    71 hits
64FF  011 0010011111111   268 hits
6501  011 0010100000001    92 hits
6502  011 0010100000010  1167 hits
6503  011 0010100000011   779 hits
6504  011 0010100000100   673 hits
6506  011 0010100000110  2513 hits
650B  011 0010100001011    62 hits
650E  011 0010100001110  1028 hits
6510  011 0010100010000   486 hits
6512  011 0010100010010   360 hits
6513  011 0010100010011   564 hits
6516  011 0010100010110  2292 hits
651D  011 0010100011101   851 hits
651F  011 0010100011111    75 hits
6526  011 0010100100110   335 hits
6527  011 0010100100111   333 hits
6529  011 0010100101001    49 hits
652A  011 0010100101010   403 hits
6530  011 0010100110000    48 hits
6551  011 0010101010001    36 hits
7087  011 1000010000111   387 hits
7088  011 1000010001000   279 hits
708B  011 1000010001011   125 hits
708E  011 1000010001110    98 hits
7094  011 1000010010100   411 hits
7099  011 1000010011001   626 hits
709D  011 1000010011101   154 hits
70A1  011 1000010100001   268 hits
70A7  011 1000010100111  2711 hits
70A8  011 1000010101000   295 hits
70A9  011 1000010101001    53 hits
70AA  011 1000010101010   290 hits
70AC  011 1000010101100   536 hits
70AD  011 1000010101101    65 hits
70B0  011 1000010110000   138 hits
70B1  011 1000010110001   214 hits
70B5  011 1000010110101   274 hits
70B8  011 1000010111000   535 hits
70B9  011 1000010111001   252 hits
70BB  011 1000010111011    24 hits
70BC  011 1000010111100   656 hits
70BD  011 1000010111101    40 hits
70C3  011 1000011000011    96 hits
70C4  011 1000011000100   108 hits
70C6  011 1000011000110  1713 hits
70C7  011 1000011000111  3225 hits
70CE  011 1000011001110    41 hits
70DF  011 1000011011111   291 hits
70F8  011 1000011111000   143 hits
7109  011 1000100001001    44 hits
748C  011 1010010001100    42 hits
7882  011 1100010000010    78 hits
788C  011 1100010001100   692 hits
7894  011 1100010010100   447 hits
7897  011 1100010010111   225 hits
789D  011 1100010011101   212 hits
78A4  011 1100010100100   202 hits
78AE  011 1100010101110    12 hits
78B5  011 1100010110101    42 hits
78B7  011 1100010110111    38 hits

 

[EJB]

Andy, Dave. I let trunker88 run on Hendersons system today. Would you like a file of that also? I doubt it is nearly as busy as Stelco.


I am gonna submit it to the database today, just wanted to make sure all the v/c & c/c.

 

[DaveH]

The system broadcasts a SysID, so it is Type II (capable). Since Type I IDs are being seen, it's a hybrid system.

Eric sent me a nice log file this morning; it contains nearly 500 raw IDs. Some of those will be from radios tuning to different subfleets, so they represent less than 500 physical radios. The IDs are listed in subsequent posts.

This is a list of some of the tailgating events (one ID follows another on the same voice channel); it shows that blocks zero, one and two use 8 bits for individual IDs, so those blocks are using sizecodes I, J or K (S9, S10 or S11).

Interesting, what you find when you start messing around with raw bits...?
BTW TRUNK88 4.53 doesn't seem to recognize a pure Type I system, even
with >95% decoding (seeing mostly good OSWs). Is there a trick, or just the
way it is...? Older version 2.4d seemed to name a file 0001.ctl and popped up
the frequencies OK (did not try the fleetmap).

I assume you mean a full SysID for Type II, as opposed to the partial one
broadcast by Type I (e.g. 1fdd = xx1d on a particular system in Ottawa).

So...Eric, is you want to play with your scanner, you would still have some trial
and error, but it's getting closer. I'd try programming Block 0,1,2 with size code
S9, and all others Type (S0) to see what happens. Watch the Type I TGs to see
if they are coherent i.e. the conversations don't jump between TGs.

Dave

 

[EJB]

Interesting, what you find when you start messing around with raw bits...?
BTW TRUNK88 4.53 doesn't seem to recognize a pure Type I system, even
with >95% decoding (seeing mostly good OSWs). Is there a trick, or just the
way it is...? Older version 2.4d seemed to name a file 0001.ctl and popped up
the frequencies OK (did not try the fleetmap).

I assume you mean a full SysID for Type II, as opposed to the partial one
broadcast by Type I (e.g. 1fdd = xx1d on a particular system in Ottawa).

So...Eric, is you want to play with your scanner, you would still have some trial
and error, but it's getting closer. I'd try programming Block 0,1,2 with size code
S9, and all others Type (S0) to see what happens. Watch the Type I TGs to see
if they are coherent i.e. the conversations don't jump between TGs.

Dave: I guess I can, I have never had to do anything like that above.
Stelco is real boring though lol.

Even if I could follow what was going on all the steel jargon is hard to understand.

 

[DaveH]

Andy, Dave. I let trunker88 run on Hendersons system today. Would you like a file of that also? I doubt it is nearly as busy as Stelco.

I am gonna submit it to the database today, just wanted to make sure all the v/c & c/c.

Andy's better at analyzing raw bitstreams, if he'd like to. Sounds like it could be
Type II, possibly mixed, but if you've seen activity on what looks like a Type II TG,
try it as pure Type II (sounds like you might have already?). In any case I'd be
interested.

BTW Eric, anything you may lack in technical background or whatever doesn't make too
much difference, now that you have something up and running. Have fun, and looks
like you have already dug some useful info. Now if you should take a liking to LTR,
how about Andy's LTR Analyzer, which, by mere luck uses a disc-tap and sound-card.

Dave

 

[EJB]

Andy's better at analyzing raw bitstreams, if he'd like to. Sounds like it could be
Type II, possibly mixed, but if you've seen activity on what looks like a Type II TG,
try it as pure Type II (sounds like you might have already?). In any case I'd be
interested.

BTW Eric, anything you may lack in technical background or whatever doesn't make too
much difference, now that you have something up and running. Have fun, and looks
like you have already dug some useful info. Now if you should take a liking to LTR,
how about Andy's LTR Analyzer, which, by mere luck uses a disc-tap and sound-card.

Dave

Dave: I am very humble and quite insecure when it comms to radio stuff. What I would like to do is find new systems, new talkgroups and the like? I think I have found Henderson Hospital system, a 3 channel Moto system like Stelco.
There were very few comms on it on sunday but I left trunker88 running today.
I dont know if my wife used to computer today, I assumed she would be at work till 3 but she injured herself on the job in her first day so she may have switched partions and maybe truunker got turned off.

LTR i need you to PM me about the stuff you mentioned size block and the like?
I know of very little LTR systems (?) around here.

E

 

[ocscan]

For block 1 try size code J, using H2F.exe and the radio ID, that makes the most sense. Let me know if it works, Looks like RID 094B might be a worth listening to. Lotsa hits.

 

[slicerwizard]

BTW TRUNK88 4.53 doesn't seem to recognize a pure Type I system, even
with >95% decoding (seeing mostly good OSWs). Is there a trick, or just the
way it is...? Older version 2.4d seemed to name a file 0001.ctl and popped up
the frequencies OK (did not try the fleetmap).

The older versions did try to autodetect when a pure Type I system was being monitored. The newer versions don't do that. I've been planning on adding Type I detection at program startup only (e.g. you wouldn't be able to System/Switch from a Type II datastream to a Type I datastream or between two Type I datastreams). There would then have to be a dialog to let the user tell the program if this was a new system or if a system .ctl file already existed.

For now, you can monitor a Type II system and then just switch your receiver to the Type I system; it's not ideal, but that's what you've got.

I assume you mean a full SysID for Type II, as opposed to the partial one
broadcast by Type I (e.g. 1fdd = xx1d on a particular system in Ottawa).

Yes, I mean it broadcasts a Type II SysID dual-OSW:

308 G 2436 SysID; SysID=2436 ctl chan=37
30B G 2837


Type I systems only broadcast a single-OSW control channel marker that contains the pseudo-SysID:

037 G 1FF6 Control channel marker; Control Chan=37


Is the Ottawa system in the database? Any chance of getting an OSW log from it?

 

[ocscan]

Its a Christie and Walthers System

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=2171

At one time was 20 channel system, but once Ottawa bylaw and other city services pulled off and went to EDACS, its dried up to 5 frequencies. Alot of former frequencies are now used for LTR systems.