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VIDAR-61 (maybe) with ZDC-Brooke 327.0, FL240, 39mi north of Norfolk, wants direct Charleston. Handed off to ZDC-Norfolk 327.8

He caught me off guard when he spelled his callsign.
 

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I just turned on a radio to Andrews Tower to perhaps hear Air Force 1 returning from the trip to Iraq. Andrews ramp freeze posted beginning at 1600 local....
RAMP FREEZE 03 SEP 20:00 2007 UNTIL 03 SEP 20:30 2007

While waiting, at 1521, there is a French Army 8023 landing runway 1R at ADW w/Tower...118.4
It's an EADS Socata TBM700A model, tail 115/ABQ from EAAT (Escadrille Avions - Armee de Terre) based at Saint-Jacques, Rennes in Brittany. This is a very small, single engine aircraft used for VIP transport. I wonder how many hops he had to make to cross the Atlantic? (And this is a ton more info than anyone wants to know but, hey, it's a dead day.)

1534: Navy JR-840 (C-20G, 165093, VR-48) landing at ADW w/Tower

1600: It's not Air Force 1 coming home, it's Air Force 2 (C-32A, 98-0002, 1st AS Andrews) w/TRACON...119.85
1602: AF 2 handed to another TRACON and checks in at 4000...cleared to 3000 feet....128.35
1605: AF 2 cleared for the approach to runway 19R....sent to Tower...128.35
1606: AF 2 to ADW tower...established on the right, standby gear...118.4
1607: "And Tower, Air Force 2 is gear down"....118.4
I didn't hear SAM 93 (C-32A, 98-0003, 1st AS Andrews) but, apparently, he took off about the same time AF 2 was landing.
1648: BOXER 44 (C-40C, 02-0203, 201st AS Andrews) on approach to ADW...w/TRACON passing ARMEL...119.85
1657: BOXER 44 reports on a dogleg to runway 19R...cleared to land, standby for gear...w/Tower...118.4

The new Potomac ADIZ East 126.75 freq is a mess today. The controller is trying to limit aircraft to ADIZ traffic but the whole world of private pilots doing their weekend flying knows nothing about the change. They're all calling this controller who has become exasperated and is getting testy with the pilots as he tries to send them to correct freqs. They, in turn, are complaining about being shifted to several freqs and each controller telling them they don't belong there. One of them was just Coast Guard 6576 (HH-65B Atlantic City) who was kicked off the freq and sent to 124.55. "You don't belong here. You belong on 124.55. Did you copy that?" A couple of minutes later, at 1534, CG 6576 is heard calling Sector Baltimore several times without success on Marine Channel 23A - 157.15. He's not having a good day. He then tries Channel 21A - 157.05 - where he finally makes contact at 1543 and asks Baltimore to assume guard for his flight.

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jmhayes said:
I found an interesting trip report for TBM700 ferry flights: http://download.mmopa.com/magazine/V...pring_2005.pdf ... start at page 22.
And I thought I already had too much info for that guy. Actually, it's a pretty interesting article. Thanks Jordan. You dug that up in record time.
 
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Earlier today had REACH 240 C-5B #87-0038 arrive Dover today from Europe then depart later and asks Dover CP 349.400 to notify his CP that we will be there in 45 minutes.
So I'm assuming that this C-5B is no longer a Travis bird but Westover 439th now.
Westover has several other C-5B's now as well.

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Not milair but interesting --

1458 - "Willow, Willow, this is Boxelder with a local radio check. How copy? Over" - 375.000
1502 - Cactus with a local radio check - 375.000
1520 - "Willow, Willow, this is Boxelder. Have you broken. How me? Over." - 375.000
1523 - same as 1458 - 375.000

Signal strength was low, distinct hum to the transmissions.

Any ideas?

This is Camp David. Most of the cabins there have names of trees for their names, Willow and Box Elder being two of them. Don't know why the comms were on 375.0 rather than a VHF USSS or WHCA freq. CACTUS is a USSS callsign for Camp David.
 

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0915: That little French TBM-700A (tail 115/ABQ) lifts off from Andrews...w/TRACON...still identifying as French Army 8023...118.95
0921: French Army 8023 has climbed all the way up to 5000 feet...handed off but I couldn't understand his freq readback....118.95
0923: Here he is...French Army 8023...continuing his climb and steering to 270 degrees...126.65
0928: French Army 8023 climbing to 9000 feet (rest of transmission lost to his accent)....126.65
0929: French Army 8023 cleared to 11,000 feet and handed off to TRACON freq 118.67(5)....126.65
0932: French Army 8023 starting to fade out...handed off to some freq I couldn't understand....118.675
His transmitter strength is befitting of his aircraft size - a weenie.

0953: TROJAN 51 flight of three Langley F-22As into W-386 with Giant Killer for mission V-0403, playtime 30 minutes....Just before this, they were heard with Norfolk TRACON on 370.925 where they pushed button 7 to get to...249.8
Sounds like W-386 has a load of Langley aircraft moving around.
0956: There's also a COWBOY 11 flight (Langley F-22A) out in W-386...249.8
0957: JACK 23 and 24 (F-22A Langley) want to RTB through HEELS for fuel reasons...249.8
0959: DEVO 1, two ship (F-22A Langley), RTB through HEELS....249.8

1001: ???? 61 flight (F-22A Langley) checking into W-386 to work with the TROJAN flight...249.8

1040: SUN 81 (U/I) with Philadelphia TRACON climbing out....319.15
1046: SUN 81 handed to ZNY-Modena where he checks in at 11,000 and is cleared to 13,000...335.6
1050: SUN 81 cleared to FL 210...335.6
Heard this same guy a few days ago going north. No idea who he is. He's not a fast jet.
1051: SUN 81 cleared direct Westminster, etc. and finally Bowling Green and then destination at FL 230...335.6
1053: SUN 81 handed off to ZNY-Harrisburg and checks in at FL 210 cleared to 230...and then 260 and 280 at 1056...270.3
1057: SUN 81 handed to ZDC-Hagerstown and check in there at FL 280...227.125
1057: SUN 81 immediately handed off to ZDC-Potomac and checks in there at FL 280....307.025
1101: SUN 81 handed to ZDC-Moorefield and checks in at FL 280....371.9
1109: SUN 81 sstill with ZDC-Moorefield and being vectored on course to his jet route...371.9
1110: And just like someone pulled the switch, SUN 81 goes from loud and clear to full of static and fading out...371.9

During the 1000 hour and into early 1100 hour, there are a whole gaggle of transports and tankers - to say nothing of the LBE fleet - moving around the area. I'm too lazy this morning to log them all however. Let the scanner scan and you'll find them on almost every freq range. My command post radio scanner is full, Andrews/Potomac TRACON freqs are full, ZDC/ZNY scanner is busy, Giant Killer scanner is busy, etc. I generally group my freqs and limit each scanner to one group. Easy to get an overall picture of what's flying that way.

First part of 1100 hour, heard three different C-21A callsigns - NODAK 11, HAWK 01 and SPACE 01 all heading for Andrews. It was just background noise so I didn't pull out tails other than for SPACE 01 (84-0107) since he spit it out in the initial call.

1120: Belgian Air Force, BAF 623 flight number/callsign, an A-310, tail CA-02, from 21 Squadron in the area ascending and flying out of the area....TRACON

1126: (Sounds like) DOG 205 w/ZDC-Azalea 263.1 (Not sure of the DOG yet)
1127: DOG 205 to ZDC-Irons...360.85
1131: DOG 205 to ZDC-Calvert heading to R-4006...281.4
1133: DOG 205 to Patuxent Check-In...305.2 (Repeated that freq but I didn't hear him check in there)
Could be a Cherry Point Marine aircraft...they're fond of those three-digit suffixes. Possibly an A/V-8 Harrier or EA-6B - both listed for DOG callsign...but that's a total WAG on my part.
1140: 205 (not using the DOG) now with Patuxent heading for R-4006....270.8
1142: 205 tells Pax he'll be vertical maneuvering from 12000 to 3500 feet....270.8

Ref Below:
Bobcat091 said:
This was a Holloman T-38, he departed McGuire AFB.

Re SUN 81: Thanks CJ. And speaking of T-38s, there's a NASA 969 T-38 on the way to this area from Ft. Campbell KY (1120 got the word)...not sure where he's headed though.
NASA 969 just changed his destination to Andrews (1129).

1148: NASA 969 calling Andrews Dispatch...no joy...139.3

Potomac ADIZ East 126.75 controller still having to explain the new freq usage and the shape of the new ADIZ to various pilots. He's explaining it's basically just a 30 mile circle around D.C. and no more funny shapes. I'm not quite sure where this was published but no one seems to know about these changes. That info published above by Airfire should be in every pilot's knee pad but isn't.

1200: Gotta run. It was fun while it lasted.
 
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Re: Fr Army 8023

Hi Tin,

I actually saw this example overhead the house after sending my oldest off to Kindergarten just a little while ago. Roundel and large letters clearly visible but since I 1. don;t collect TBM 700s, and 2. did not actually read it off, I certainly will not claim it as a confirmed sighting.

Good mil aero stuff however!

Tony

TinEar said:
0915: That little French TBM-700A (tail 115/ABQ) lifts off from Andrews...w/TRACON...still identifying as French Army 8023...118.95
0921: French Army 8023 has climbed all the way up to 5000 feet...handed off but I couldn't understand his freq readback....118.95
0923: Here he is...French Army 8023...continuing his climb and steering to 270 degrees...126.65
0928: French Army 8023 climbing to 9000 feet (rest of transmission lost to his accent)....126.65
0929: French Army 8023 cleared to 11,000 feet and handed off to TRACON freq 118.67(5)....126.65
0932: French Army 8023 starting to fade out...handed off to some freq I couldn't understand....118.675
His transmitter strength is befitting of his aircraft size - a weenie.
 

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Iad 09.04.2007

1505Z 128.425 IAD TWR West PAT 54 (UH60 Davison) to the west and MUSSEL 06 (UH-1 1st HS) to the east - MUSSEL 06 QSY IAD TWR East 120.100.
1510Z 128.425 IAD TWR West - PAT 54 transitioning to the west QSY 134.200.
1531Z 128.425 IAD TWR West - PAT 888 (C-12) - lands rwy 1L.

2128Z 133.550 ZDC-Linden - REACH 356T (C-17A) - checking in 14.5 for 17000'.
 
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This morning on tape had a TREND 31 flt of 6 Hornets decending to 3k
so figure must have been into Willow Grove or Atlantic City.
Actually split into 2 groups of 3 and second group was TREND 41.
Seems around 10am things got busy also,had a
RULER 13 single C-17 arrive Dover,req customs,offloads etc.Thanks to TIN below for correct id.

Mark

Update :Was told TREND 31 Flight were FA/18D's VMFA 121 (Green Knights) from Mirimar NAS and landed Andrews NAS but I still think
they went into Willow Grove possibly.They were Inbound from Moron Spain after about a 6 month deployment.
I'd expect them to depart maybe early am Weds possibly to get home to Cal.
 
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Mark said:
RAILER 13 single C-17 arrive Dover,req customs,offloads etc.I don't have that callsign listed.

Mark

RULER 13 (C-17A, 03-3113, 183rd AS MS-ANG Jackson)
Must have been his southern accent.
Don't know where he came from Mark. He wasn't noted in Europe. Maybe he took the southern route or the long way around.
Looking at my logs, I had him on 08/29 using that same callsign.
 
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RULER 13 (C-17A, 03-3113, 183rd AS MS-ANG Jackson)
Don't know where he came from Mark. He wasn't noted in Europe. Maybe he took the southern route or the long way around.
03-3113 was noted at Toronto-Pearson this past weekend taking part in the Canadian International Air Show.
 

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Mark, I didn't hear any F-18s at Willow Grove today, but I also wasn't by the radios in the morning. What freq's were they on descending to 3k?
 

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Cp. David/375.0

375.0 is a WIDEBAND allocated frequency. Anyone can use a WB freq as long as it doesn't interfer with WB operations. There are over 1700 freqs allocated for WB operations.

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I heard them on a ZDC/Andrews UHF freq I think at first down to 8k with "information Hotel" which I assume is ATIS info for Andrews.
Unknown freq cause I was at work and was taped and I have several UHF ZDC/Andrews freqs on that scanner group.
Reviewing tape again tonite had first group TREND 31 flt of 6 split into 2 groups TREND 31 and 21 and right behind was TREND 41 flt of 3 also so possible 9 total FA/18's.At least 6 for sure..

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Around 1730 I copied a KODAK flight of two F-15Es calling Altoona Radio advising they would be entering VR-043.
 

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Mark said:
I heard them on a ZDC/Andrews UHF freq I think at first down to 8k with "information Hotel" which I assume is ATIS info for Andrews.
Unknown freq cause I was at work and was taped and I have several UHF ZDC/Andrews freqs on that scanner group.
Reviewing tape again tonite had first group TREND 31 flt of 6 split into 2 groups TREND 31 and 21 and right behind was TREND 41 flt of 3 also so possible 9 total FA/18's.At least 6 for sure..

Mark

Mark, I think you're right that there are perhaps as many as nine F/A-18s in that TREND series of flights. Considering the number of tankers scheduled (4) to accompany them, that would certainly indicate more than six chicks and maybe even more than nine.

[But all the latest info shows just six Hornets to Andrews no matter the appearance of multiple flights and tankers.]
 
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0730-0845: Every LBE in the area is flying this morning...transports and tankers on the move can be counted on one hand...a few test flights working at Patuxent (especially the Pax discrete channel on 256.5 with TESTER aircraft) and that's about it. No TREND flights - no BLUE tanker flights - nothing that would indicate the Hornets from VMFA-121 pulled out of Andrews at 0800 as expected. Perhaps they're delayed or have maintenance issues. Perhaps the tanker schedule is changed or perhaps they all tied one on at the 'O' club at Andrews last night and are too hungover to fly. All I know is that I got up early to listen to that crew, put a separate radio on every possible Andrews departure freq, Command Post freq and TRACON/ARTCC freq and have heard nothing, nada, zip, squadoosh. At least not yet.

NOTE: There is now no doubt at all they were heading into Andrews yesterday as a flight of six (TREND 31). They came in over Nantucket, were cleared to Andrews and then transitioned to ZBW-Hampton 299.7. From that point I assume they went over to ZDC-Sea Isle 281.45, perhaps one more ZDC freq and then TRACON freqs to Andrews.

0859: COACH 51 flight of four from Langley into W-386 with Giant Killer. They'll be working with a RISKY flight of four from Langley....ops will be on 391.2....249.8
0918: COACH and RISKY flights talking to each other on GK's 346.6 (Don't hear that freq very often)
0920: CRAB 58 (C-130J, 98-1358, 135th AS MD-ANG) airborne from MTN w/CRAB Ops...385.9
0921: RODEO 61 flight (F-22A Langley), two ship, w/Norfolk TRACON 370.925 and then to Giant Killer 249.8 to enter W-386 at FL 230. Cleared to work up to FL 500.
0922: RODEO flight working interflight freq...238.825
0927: Another Langley F-22A flight on interflight freq...315.85 (no callsigns heard yet)
 
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Shortly after noon, the TREND flight of F/A-18 Hornets (VFMA-121, Miramar CA) is up and with ZDC-Hagerstown 227.125. They are going to meet up with BLUE 81 (KC-10A, 84-0186, 305th AMW McGuire)
1216: TREND 31 flight handed off to ZOB-Imperial on 132.125.
1217: BLUE 81 also up on 132.125 requesting to switch to tanker freq
1218: BLUE 81 tells ZOB the refueling will commence at Indianhead...132.125
1221: BLUE 81 tells the controller at ZOB he'd like to do some turns so the fighters can catch up...132.125
(Haven't found the refueling freq yet)
Earlier, the TREND 31 flight leader said there was another TREND flight that would be about 30 minutes behind them and will be working with BLUE 91.
1230: BLUE 91 (KC-10A, 83-0081, 305th AMW McGuire) airborne (just off the deck at McGuire) and asking McGuire CP for the status of his receivers....319.4
1235: Sounds like another TREND flight climbing out of Andrews...257.2
It was TREND 41. I lost them after takeoff and just found them again...
1245: TREND 41 with ZOB-Altoona RCAG...363.075
1250: TREND 41 again asking to join up with BLUE 91....363.075
1250: BLUE 91 with ZOB-Imperial and tells controller he'll accept MARSA with TREND 41....132.125
And they're all gone from my listening range. Never found an air-to-air or the refueling freqs.
 
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1505Z 120.100 IAD TWR East - FRTTN (FREIGHT TRAIN) 06 - flight of 2 x CH-47s transitioning Dulles a/s. QSY IAD TWR West 128.425 then Potomac TRACON 135.775. ATC callsign spelled out for the IAD controller. Saw these guys heading South then West to their destination (which sounded like Bluegrass) as I made the rounds earlier at IAD.

1748Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - PAT 864 - to 11000' QSY 118.675 climbing 17000' QSY ZDC-Linden 133.550 QSY ZDC-Moorefield 133.275.
1755Z 133.550 ZDC-Linden - CANFORCE 2647 - FL260 QSY ZDC-Moorefield 133.275.

1802Z 118.675 Potomac DEP - PAT 273 - QSY from 118.950 13.5 for 17000' QSY ZDC-Linden 133.550 cleared to FL270.
1809Z 133.550 ZDC-Linden - NAVY 7C 906 (UC-12B NAS Oceana NFD) - QSY 120.450 @ 11000' dir AML then cleared to 9000' QSY 125.050 then QSY 119.850 @ 7000' req. vis rwy 19R @ ADW down to 5000'/3000'.
1816Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - NODAK 03 (C-21A 177th AS ND ANG) - dir GINYA join J149.
1821Z 133.550 ZDC-Linden - NODAK 03 (C-21A 177th AS ND ANG) - 17000' for FL270 req dir ODI or Fargo when able QSY ZDC-Moorefield 133.275.
1823Z 119.850 Potomac APP - N1 (G4 FAA Washington National) - 15.1 down to 10000' to 3000' for rwy 19@ DCA.
1825Z 119.300 Potomac APP - NAVY 7C 906 (UC-12B NAS Oceana NFD) - 3000' for rwy 19R @ Andrews.

1829Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - FRTTN 06 (2 x CH-47s) - here they are again! 10 miles to the NW for landing rwy 14.
1850Z 123.825 Potomac DEP - RHINO 90 (C-5A 445th AW/89th AS AFRC) - 15000' for 13000'.
1853Z 349.400 Dover AFB CP - RHINO 90 (C-5A 445th AW/89th AS AFRC) - clg here no joy.

1904Z 349.400 Dover AFB CP - RHINO 90 (C-5A 445th AW/89th AS AFRC) - finally make QSY rpt inbound 12-15 mins. out RON req. parking and maint. status is A1.
1910Z 378.100 GRIFFIN CP Andrews - AVALON 82 (C-40/C-9 932nd AW/73rd AS AFRC) - inbound 30 mins. past the hr, 2 Space A's, req. 40K fuel, parking, dry ice.
1915Z 119.850 Potomac APP - AVALON 82 (C-40/C-9 932nd AW/73rd AS AFRC) - 9.7 for 8000' req ILS app. rwy 19R @ ADW.
1934Z 119.850 Potomac APP - ARMY 10301 (UC-35B 01-0301) - dir MANNE to 13000' X ELDEE @ 8000' QSY 119.850 req. vects. ILS rwy 19R.
1935Z 378.100 GRIFFIN CP Andrews - JOSA 756 (C-21A 84-0077 457th AS) - C-21 inbound home station a/c tail #77 2005 in the blocks, 1 Space A, status A1, mission termination.
1944Z 118.675 Potomac DEP - JOSA 756 (C-21A 84-0077 457th AS) - checking in @ 15000' on the app. to Andrews AFB X ELDEE @ 8000' QSY 119.850.
 
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