Waltz41
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1800 hour: TIGER 27 working with Willow Grove Tower. Appears to be a P-3, and is getting vectors back to NAS Brunswick. Has to stay a little bit longer than they would like to, problem with clearance back.
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ROGUE 40 C-5 back into Dover again tonite gave tail #86-0024.
Guess I was incorrect yesterday that it was 87-0040.
Maybe Lockheed guys using 40 as standard C-5 test flight number these days.
I know they use ROGUE 01 as F-15 standard test number so maybe that is it?
REACH 715 heard on AR-20 primary 305.500 at 2250z and asks about switching to secondary 256.650... New one for me here.
Reply is that "someone is already on that freq so lets stay with primary" so they do.
REACH 7032 C-5 87-0032 arrive Dover 0110z.
Mark
Guess I was incorrect yesterday that it was 87-0040.
Maybe Lockheed guys using 40 as standard C-5 test flight number these days.
I know they use ROGUE 01 as F-15 standard test number so maybe that is it?
REACH 715 heard on AR-20 primary 305.500 at 2250z and asks about switching to secondary 256.650... New one for me here.
Reply is that "someone is already on that freq so lets stay with primary" so they do.
REACH 7032 C-5 87-0032 arrive Dover 0110z.
Mark
Double post.. sorry.web site is slow tonite.
Listening to Langley guys all over offshore areas,callsigns,WOLF,IRON,SPAD,CHICAGO,DAGGER,
JOKER. etc.
Sounds like all out dogfight intercepts.Must be using every normal local Huntress freq.
228.900,260.900,391.200 A/A ,234.600,254.200,234.600.
Mark
Listening to Langley guys all over offshore areas,callsigns,WOLF,IRON,SPAD,CHICAGO,DAGGER,
JOKER. etc.
Sounds like all out dogfight intercepts.Must be using every normal local Huntress freq.
228.900,260.900,391.200 A/A ,234.600,254.200,234.600.
Mark
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TinEar
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Mark said:
Sure has been an interesting day for the Langley crew. I've never heard an activity like this for the entire day/evening/night by one unit. Just for the sake of being able to follow them, when they're not with HUNTRESS, the three main freqs for going to/coming from offshore areas are Button 5 (370.925 Norfolk TRACON), Button 7 (249.8 Giant Killer common), Button 11 (256.8 ZDC-Cape Charles). The HUNTRESS ops at Rome have sure been getting a workout all day today.
Re the slow site...I don't know if there are just so many people using this site in the evening that it has slowed it to a crawl or if it's some other problem. It has made it impossible to do edited posts and log the activity in the evening recently.
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CitationJet
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10.31.2007 am
Hi guys,
Managed to catch a few minutes to listen this morning on the way in to work...
PT = Potomac Consolidated TRACON
ZDC = Washington ARTCC
10.31.2007 am
1146Z 118.950 PT DEP - PAT 1203 (C-12T Davison OSACOM RFC shuttle) - deps DAA to 5000' dir GRUBY QSY PT APP 126.400.
1155Z 118.950 PT DEP - SAM 1863 - deps ADW 900'-3000'-17000' then cleared to FL210 QSY ZDC-Linden 133.550.
1158Z 118.950 PT DEP - SAM 1956 - deps ADW to 5000' then to 17000' dir LDN QSY PT DEP 118.675.
1200Z 118.950 PT DEP - SHOGUN 01 - deps ADW 1500'-3000' dir AML to 14 then 15000'.
1205Z 125.650 PT DEP - SAM 1959 - deps ADW 1000'-3000' to 14000' QSY ZDC-Calvert 133.900.
1216Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - ANVIS 22 (DHC-6 NVESD Davison) - deps rwy 14 VFR to the south QSY Quantico APP 127.050.
Hi guys,
Managed to catch a few minutes to listen this morning on the way in to work...
PT = Potomac Consolidated TRACON
ZDC = Washington ARTCC
10.31.2007 am
1146Z 118.950 PT DEP - PAT 1203 (C-12T Davison OSACOM RFC shuttle) - deps DAA to 5000' dir GRUBY QSY PT APP 126.400.
1155Z 118.950 PT DEP - SAM 1863 - deps ADW 900'-3000'-17000' then cleared to FL210 QSY ZDC-Linden 133.550.
1158Z 118.950 PT DEP - SAM 1956 - deps ADW to 5000' then to 17000' dir LDN QSY PT DEP 118.675.
1200Z 118.950 PT DEP - SHOGUN 01 - deps ADW 1500'-3000' dir AML to 14 then 15000'.
1205Z 125.650 PT DEP - SAM 1959 - deps ADW 1000'-3000' to 14000' QSY ZDC-Calvert 133.900.
1216Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - ANVIS 22 (DHC-6 NVESD Davison) - deps rwy 14 VFR to the south QSY Quantico APP 127.050.
TinEar
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Beautiful flying weather today and the activity reflected that. It was a very busy day. I only got to spend a little time listening to the radios today but still heard a lot of activity.
Langley F-22As have been working most of the day. I did hear them working part of the day with HUNTRESS again on 260.9 so the Weapons Section at NEADS in Rome NY got another workout. Along with that activity, several of the Langley interflight freqs were busy along with Giant Killer freqs. I heard a tanker working GK's area earlier today...PISTON 51 from the 63rd ARS at Selfridge. Don't normally hear them in this area. There was also a SENTRY 50 E-3C AWACS in the area. And talk about tanker activity...heard many units flying KC-135s and KC-10s today. Among them...KC-135s from the 77th ARS at Seymour Johnson, 756th ARS at Andrews, 121st ARW OH-ANG, 128th ARW WI-ANG, 197th ARS AZ-ANG, 203rd ARS HI-ANG, 336th ARs March, 314th ARS Beale, 108th ARW NJ-ANG, 97th AMW Altus, 351st ARS MIldenhall and 63rd ARS Selfridge...KC-10s from the 305th AMW McGuire and 60th AMW Travis.
A-10s from Willow Grove and F-16s from Atlantic City were also noted today. Many C-130s, C-17As and C-5s were moving around the area. Needless to say, the LBE fleet was very active too.
While typing this (around 1700) several F-22A flights from Langley have entered W-386 with Giant Killer on 249.8 so they're still going strong too. Some of the most recent flights (1700-1715) have been SPAD, WOLF, CYCLONE, GINZU, DAGGER, ROGUE, IRON, JEDI, MILLER. GK's 312.3 and 389.1 are also active. WOLF is on 262.025 for interflight....252.775 and 238.825 interflight freqs are also busy. JEDI says he'll be MARSA with DAGGER and GINZU flights.
1720: WOLF flight working HUNTRESS on 389.1
As mentioned....a busy day.
Just curious....does anyone know of any Air Force (AFRC and ANG included) units that use a six letter callsign and single digit suffix while in the ATC system on a regular basis? I only know of three units that do this -- TOPCAT from the 108th ARW NJ-ANG, COPPER from the 197th ARS AZ-ANG and CARMEN from the 142nd AS DE-ANG. Everyone else seems to use 2-digit suffixes.
1731: Unknown activity on 311.0....have an aircraft that sounds like LOGBOARD (no suffix, just the callword) calling LEGALITY and reporting airborne at this time. Two calls, no reply.
1734: Very weak transmissions now on 311.0....LOGBOARD was loud and clear for his calls.
1735: An E-6B from VQ-4 (164386) appears to have taken off from Patuxent and is heading to the northeast while climbing out...310.15 (This E-6B went airborne just about the time that LOGBOARD above reported airborne. Same aircraft?) Returned to Pax around 2225.
1740: REACH 6022 (C-5B, 86-0022, 60th AMW Travis) w/TRACON heading for Andrews or more likely Dover (not sure which freq he was on...was up to my a** in alligators (read: F-22 activity) at the time)
Langley F-22As have been working most of the day. I did hear them working part of the day with HUNTRESS again on 260.9 so the Weapons Section at NEADS in Rome NY got another workout. Along with that activity, several of the Langley interflight freqs were busy along with Giant Killer freqs. I heard a tanker working GK's area earlier today...PISTON 51 from the 63rd ARS at Selfridge. Don't normally hear them in this area. There was also a SENTRY 50 E-3C AWACS in the area. And talk about tanker activity...heard many units flying KC-135s and KC-10s today. Among them...KC-135s from the 77th ARS at Seymour Johnson, 756th ARS at Andrews, 121st ARW OH-ANG, 128th ARW WI-ANG, 197th ARS AZ-ANG, 203rd ARS HI-ANG, 336th ARs March, 314th ARS Beale, 108th ARW NJ-ANG, 97th AMW Altus, 351st ARS MIldenhall and 63rd ARS Selfridge...KC-10s from the 305th AMW McGuire and 60th AMW Travis.
A-10s from Willow Grove and F-16s from Atlantic City were also noted today. Many C-130s, C-17As and C-5s were moving around the area. Needless to say, the LBE fleet was very active too.
While typing this (around 1700) several F-22A flights from Langley have entered W-386 with Giant Killer on 249.8 so they're still going strong too. Some of the most recent flights (1700-1715) have been SPAD, WOLF, CYCLONE, GINZU, DAGGER, ROGUE, IRON, JEDI, MILLER. GK's 312.3 and 389.1 are also active. WOLF is on 262.025 for interflight....252.775 and 238.825 interflight freqs are also busy. JEDI says he'll be MARSA with DAGGER and GINZU flights.
1720: WOLF flight working HUNTRESS on 389.1
As mentioned....a busy day.
Just curious....does anyone know of any Air Force (AFRC and ANG included) units that use a six letter callsign and single digit suffix while in the ATC system on a regular basis? I only know of three units that do this -- TOPCAT from the 108th ARW NJ-ANG, COPPER from the 197th ARS AZ-ANG and CARMEN from the 142nd AS DE-ANG. Everyone else seems to use 2-digit suffixes.
1731: Unknown activity on 311.0....have an aircraft that sounds like LOGBOARD (no suffix, just the callword) calling LEGALITY and reporting airborne at this time. Two calls, no reply.
1734: Very weak transmissions now on 311.0....LOGBOARD was loud and clear for his calls.
1735: An E-6B from VQ-4 (164386) appears to have taken off from Patuxent and is heading to the northeast while climbing out...310.15 (This E-6B went airborne just about the time that LOGBOARD above reported airborne. Same aircraft?) Returned to Pax around 2225.
1740: REACH 6022 (C-5B, 86-0022, 60th AMW Travis) w/TRACON heading for Andrews or more likely Dover (not sure which freq he was on...was up to my a** in alligators (read: F-22 activity) at the time)
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Waltz41
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1600 hour: V-22 Osprey leaving NAS Willow Grove (never heard him come in, but wasn't listening all day either) for NAS Lakehurst, and then will be back. Makes it back a little after 1700. Callsign was generic NAVY ### (missed it as I was frantically trying to drive over to see it. Hit every damn light on the way, was about 15 seconds away from the spot and saw him do the overhead break. Still very cool, but I would of liked to got a picture or some video.) He's still in as of this hour, anyone hear when he's leaving please let us Willow Grove people know!
Waltz41 said:
Checking tape had a PRIME 12 said (3023 tail?) with Willow Grove tower 340.200 at 1519 local inbound Willow Grove.
That callsign I have listed is PRIME V-22 USMC CHERRY POINT.
Must have been coming in from the South if I heard him.
HOTCAR-1 with Dover appch 1704 local UHF decending 6k to 3k at Not sure if he landed there.
I think that is T-38 callsign but I have nothing listed on my lists.
REACH 536 C-5 #86-0022 arrive Dover 1753 local but held for birds on ramp for a while
and talked about going to Andrews but landed using UHF freqs which is rare for C-5's at Dover.
Mark
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Waltz41
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Mark said:
Good catch, although this one is a little odd to me. The tail (3023) makes more sense now, but also doesn't. When I heard it, I did keep picking up that it was 3 #'s at the end of NAVY like I wrote, and if you asked me to remember, I would of said 023. So.....I could of swore it was just NAVY 023 when I heard it, but then again I was driving frantically to get there and not paying the closest attention. Did anyone pick up a NAVY 023 at all? I just can't see getting PRIME 12 and NAVY 023 confused....and nothing else was up or coming in around that time. Do they ever change callsigns?
JohnFB
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TinEar said:
I'll chk it out ............... tnx for info
JohnFB
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TinEar said:
Hey, Tin ..... I ripped apart the Air Traffic section on FAA website trying to find these. Can you point me in the right direction???
TinEar
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JohnFB said:
No. They are not on an "open" website.
You will find them I imagine once the next cycle comes around and new charts are published. Then they'll appear on all the regular websites that carry the lists of airspace fixes.
TinEar
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bobf9f5 said:
I posted all my freqs at the beginning of this thread within the first 50 messages. Go here:
http://www.radioreference.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44841&page=2
and scroll down to message #40. All HUNTRESS freqs are listed there.
You might want all the Giant Killer freqs too. They are in message #8 on Page 1 of this thread.
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Per the FAA, the Metro (PMSV) frequency for Keesler AFB MS has been changed from 344.6 to 267.4. I had heard the 344.6 freq (also used at Andrews) was going to be pulled and Keesler is the first indication I have of this. Look for the Andrews freq to change also.
Three airspace fixes in Pennsylvania cancelled: MAJXI, MINDE, MORKK (Mork and Mindy? Only oldtimers will know that reference.)
The MRION airspace fix has officially moved from D.C. to Maryland. New lat/longs listed for it are 38-39-51.94N / 077-01-08.26W
New airspace fix in Pennsylvania: HARVA 41-57-53.32N / 075-07-54.65W
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Langley F-22As are offshore with Giant Killer in W-386. Many flights coming and going again today.
1248: KNIGHT 1 flight checked in with ZDC-Montebello at FL 200...284.7 (Many units use that callsign...no ID yet)
1253: KNIGHT 1 handed to ZDC-Azalea and checks in at FL 200...263.1 (Appears to be single ship)
Handed off again at 1301 and I lost him. He didn't repeat the new freq and didn't seem to come up on any other ZDC freq.
And speaking of the KNIGHT callsign...there were two KC-135s at Nashville this past weekend using KNIGHT 01 and KNIGHT 84. However, there was no unit affiliation to go with them. Does anyone know which unit might use that callsign? I don't show anything in my callsign database for KC-135s associated with that call.
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A few taped logs today..
0855 local BOXER 16 C-40 with Dover appch UHF 257.875 ,killing time with some transition work cause of ramp freeze at Andrews.
0915 local AF-2 with Andrews CP we were airborn 0912" release the spare"
1148 local PRIME 31 V-22 with Willow Grove tower 340.200 inbound req parking.
1801 local HUE 02 arrive Dover req 2 power carts and B-2 stand.
Mark
0855 local BOXER 16 C-40 with Dover appch UHF 257.875 ,killing time with some transition work cause of ramp freeze at Andrews.
0915 local AF-2 with Andrews CP we were airborn 0912" release the spare"
1148 local PRIME 31 V-22 with Willow Grove tower 340.200 inbound req parking.
1801 local HUE 02 arrive Dover req 2 power carts and B-2 stand.
Mark
BM82557
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Activity 11022007
1027 local - HUNTRESS working BLACKJACK1 with a radio check - 260.9
1547 - REACH 7027 calling Dover CP X2 with no response - 349.4
1548 - 1549 -- BOLAR 70 calling Dover CP X3 with no response - 349.4
1616 - SAM interplane active - 136.725
1027 local - HUNTRESS working BLACKJACK1 with a radio check - 260.9
1547 - REACH 7027 calling Dover CP X2 with no response - 349.4
1548 - 1549 -- BOLAR 70 calling Dover CP X3 with no response - 349.4
1616 - SAM interplane active - 136.725
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nightwatch
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braves up
braves 61 62 cap 139.700 with huntress block 21 to 23 510pm tanker01 one hour out
braves 61 62 cap 139.700 with huntress block 21 to 23 510pm tanker01 one hour out
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TinEar
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nightwatch said:
Yup...they went airborne at 1705 with TRACON 348.725 and were handed off to Potomac's Guard Dog freq 350.25 when they got to altitude. They had to ask CAPITOL to call HUNTRESS and wake him up since they weren't getting replies at first on 139.7. Currently in Guard Dog awaiting a mission.
1713: BRAVE 61/62 get the block 210-250, say both pilots are NVG qualified...they have 90 minutes playtime...asking for tanker data...asked for callsign and type but I can't hear HUNTRESS so don't know what the reply was...I can guess TANKER 01, a KC-135R...139.7
Washington Center , Hagerstown/Thurmont, Maryland near MARTINSBURG VORTAC (MRB)
Beginning Date and Time : November 02, 2007 at 2240 UTC
Ending Date and Time : November 04, 2007 at 1800 UTC
Reason for NOTAM : Temporary flight restrictions for VIP (Very Important Person) Movement
Type : VIP
The CAP started earlier than the scheduled time which should be why the DC-ANG is covering the first shift between now and 1840.
1729: Dover's newest C-17A (07-7169) is on the way into Dover as REACH 512 [fem driver]. She had to explain she's a home station C-17 and give her tail. Almost sounds like Dover doesn't have them on the schedule. Then she keeps the mic open while talking to someone aboard the plane explaining that Dover sounded like she had a mouth full of marbles and that she couldn't understand any of the transmission which is why 512 kept repeating info. ..349.4
1733: BRAVE 61 to 62 to say First Family has landed...139.7 (That must be at Camp David. They came into Andrews on a C-40B (01-0041) as EXEC 1 FOXTROT about 1630 and Air Force 1 right behind it.)
1736: BRAVE 61 asking HUNTRESS to confirm the bullseye is Thurmont or otherwise...then they reset bullseye to 18...139.7
1747: BRAVE 61 asks HUNTRESS for station time on ?Eglin?...139.7 (If he really said Eglin, look for ARROW F-15s coming in at the scheduled time)
1758: BRAVE 61 starts to ask HUNTRESS a question and then asks to go secure....139.7 (no encrypted transmissions heard on this freq though)
Earlier this afternoon in the 1300 and 1400 hours, I had two C-17A transports from the MS-ANG call Wilmington Command Post on the DE-ANG CP freq 343.0 with arrival messages. They were RULER 50 and 60 (03-3119 and 03-3113). Currently I have a C-130J (05-1465) from the 115th AS CA-ANG also about to arrive at Wilmington. He is OCEAN 81 and at 1747 reports on 343.0 he's about 20 minutes out, A-1 and will land with 13K fuel...will refuel in the morning. They, along with a C-130H from Wilmington, are going to haul 375 people from the DE-ANG to Gulfport MS for an ORE in preparation for a full blown ORI next year.
1801: BRAVE 61 tells Potomac they'll be RTB to Andrerws...350.25 (he means when they're done, not now)
1801: BRAVE 61 to CAPITOL for secure transmissions....139.7 (again, not on this freq)
1803: BRAVE 61 tells 62 he's back on freq and tells 62 to monitor that...139.7 (I then hear what sounds like the start of an encrypted transmission on 350.25...guess he pushed the wrong button)
1803: BRAVEs given a TOI by HUNTRESS...139.7
1806: BRAVE 62 reports "tally TOI"...139.7
1807: BRAVE 61 asking Guard Dog if he has any idea where Emmitsburg is...says he doesn't have any idea where it is but that's where his TOI is...told near Frederick...350.25
1825: Believe I have ARROW 23 flight with ZDC-Montebello...284.7 (Confirmed ARROW 23....F-15 from Eglin)
1828: ARROW 23 flight handed to ZDC-Casanova and check in descending to FL 230....282.2
1829: ARROW 23 handed to Guard Dog and check in passing 25 for 23...350.25
1830: ARROW 23 and 24 check in on 260.9 and try calling HUNTRESS...two calls, no joy...260.9....changing to 228.9 and try to check in there...no joy there either so go to Guard Dog to ask for the HUNTRESS freq...are given 228.9 so they go back to that one again.
1832: BRAVEs talking about the ARROW flight coming in and being sent to 228.9
1832: ARROW 23/24 check in w/HUNTRESS and get a response...228.9
1833: BRAVE and ARROW flight leaders get together on 350.25...BRAVEs will stay at FL 220 and ARROW at 230 and above...350.25
I still haven't heard a tanker anywhere in here.
1835: BRAVE 61 tells Guard Dog he'll orbit at Nottingham and will send 62 home first once they're released...350.25
1836: ARROW 23 has lost comms with HUNTRESS...several calls, no joy....asking about tanker....HUNTRESS tells him 120 miles out (didn't he say 1 hour about 90 minutes ago?)...ARROW says they only have about 20 minutes fuel left...wants to know where the tanker will be coming in so he can position in that part of the CAP and be ready for him...228.9
1838: HUNTRESS releases BRAVE 61/62 to RTB...139.7....they then go to Potomac on 350.25 where he again says 62 will RTB and 61 wants to hold at Nottingham for a bit.
1839: BRAVE 61 to CAPITOL to say he's Code 1 and will hold for about 20 minutes....62 will be in in about 5 minutes and is also Code 1...139.7
Funny that HUNTRESS is loud and clear from here when on 228.9 but can't be heard at all on 139.7 or 260.9 from here.
1840: BRAVE 61 cleared to NOttingham, 62 cleared down to 5000 feet for his approach to Andrews....350.25
1842: ARROW flight leader says they have 30 minutes fuel and then will divert to Andrews...228.9
They're still asking HUNTRESS about the tanker...asking if it's delayed.
1842: BRAVE 62 over to TRACON 270.275 as he approaches ADW...61 still on 350.25 but then also goes to 270.275
1847: BRAVE 62 reports field in sight...270.275
1848: ARROW 23 asking Guard Dog if they can be vectored to the tanker since they're low on gas...350.25
1850: HUNTRESS giving the ARROW flight new coordinates for the bullseye...apparently it isn't at Thurmont just yet...228.9
1851: ARROW 23 again asking for a point out to the tanker so they can go meet it...250.25
1851: Looks like they had to get the alert tanker up here...SKATER 07 is calling Potomac on 135.525 (TANKER 01 must have been delayed or aborted)
1853: ARROW 23 says he has the tanker on radar 095/18...they're heading directly to it even though HUNTRESS hasn't established contact with the tanker yet....just prior to this 23 said they were going to divert...228.9
1855: ARROW 23 tells Guard Dog to have the tanker come up on 228.9...350.25
1855: Believe I've got the ARROW interflight freq working on...302.075
1855: ARROW 23 and SKATER 07 establish comms on 228.9...23 calling him SCOOTER...232 says 24 is lowest on gas and requests he go straight to contact...approved by SKATER 07...says he wants tanker to southern part of CAP...too low on gas and will have to divert to Andrews...228.9
1856: Tanker will give 24 2000 pounds to get him going...228.9
SKATER 07 is a KC-135E, tail 57-1445 from the 108th ARW, NJ-ANG McGuire.
ARROW 23 is an F-15C, tail EG 80-0020
ARROW 24 is an F-15C, tail EG 79-0081
Both fighters are from the 60th FS, Eglin AFB FL
1901: ARROW 24 cleared to contact boom...23 tells the tanker to give 24 about 5000 and then he needs to get on the boom...228.9
1903: ARROW 23 tells 24 to get on the left wing...23 will top off and then 24 can get back on....23 cleared for contact and asks for top off....228.9
So, here we go with the normal F-15/KC-135 matchup...they don't match up.
1906: BRAVE 62 landed earlier...BRAVE 61 is now w/ADW Tower for his landing...349.0 (And we're done with the BRAVEs for tonight)
1909: ARROW 23 off the boom...24 going back in to top off now...228.9
1910: ARROW 23 tells HUNTRESS he's now established in the CAP and will stay at FL 210...24 will stay at 220...HUNTRESS acknowledges...228.9
1910: VADER 24 (C-130H, 92-3024, 758th AS Pittsburgh) giving arrival message to Willow Grove...306.8
1915: ARROW 23 and 24 established now in the CAP so we should be good to go until they close it down in the 2300 hour tonight. This will end the log unless I hear something spectacular happening.
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nightwatch
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yep tanker 01 kc135 one hour out,huntress is l/c on my ts feed.
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