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[TinEar]

1848: French Air Force (Armee de l Air)...CTM 0021, A-310-304, tail 422/F-RADB, ET 03.060 into the area...descending for approach to one of the area airports. At 1858, he's due east of Andrews over the Eastern Shore of Maryland at 11,000 feet and on a course of 270 degrees. At 1902, he crossing the Bay and descending. Looks like he's heading for Andrews. Yes...he's looking for an approach to runway 19R at Andrews w/TRACON...128.35 (Believe he's saying COTHAM 0021 for the callsign) At 1908, he's being vectored to the north of ADW and will turn to the south shortly for approach to runway 19R. He was...left turn to course 300, then 220, then runway heading.
1911: CTM 0021 handed to Andrews Tower where he checks in for runway 19R...118.4
1913: Right behind him is JOSA 852 (C-21A, 84-0077, 457th AS Andrews for landing same runway...128.35/118.4 (This is the 3rd or 4th time I've heard JOSA 852 arriving at Andrews today.)
1915: And behind the JOSA is NAVY 300 (C-37B, 166378, VR-1 Andrews)....128.35/118.4
1922: And then REACH 420T (C-17A, 06-6155, 60th AMW Travis) is next to land on runway 19R...118.4

 

[BM82557]

This may be why Eglin F-15C's were replaced today in local area CAP.
Seems most F-15's have been grounded by the Air Force especially the F-15C models
like Eglin uses for CAP work.

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123074547

Mark

Here's additional info on the grounding of F15's

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/05/f15.grounding/index.html

 

[JohnFB]

DEECEEs

MON

1640Z : 295.800 AR631 DEECEE 11 and TEAM 12 wkg [which confused me - I thought it was 2 TEAMs]

TUE

0003Z : 295.800 AR631 DEECEE 12 and MOVR 15 wkg [not often I hear two DEECEEs in one day]


Also: TIN - I heard GAF 129 go thru ZBW around 1705Z.
Also: TREND 21 x6 F-16s heading home to Ft. Wayne from Iraq duty - A2A 138.300 around 1645Z
Also: PAT 452 [C-21?] dep KBDL Bradley @ 1720Z to KSDF Louisville International Airport-Standiford Field via BOWAN SAGES Lake Henry V58 Phillipsburg V35 Indian Head V119 Parkersburg Falmouth Louisville KSDF

 

[TinEar]

Also: TREND 21 x6 F-16s heading home to Ft. Wayne from Iraq duty - A2A 138.300 around 1645Z

Nice catch on the TREND flight John. They were too far north for me to hear. I wrote the following earlier and then forgot to log it here...
TREND 21-26, F-16s from the 163rd FS Ft. Wayne IN made it back to the States today. They were accompanied by BLUE 61 (86-0036) and BLUE 71 (87-0122) - both KC-10As from the 305th AMW at McGuire. On the other side of the pond, they were accompanied by BLUE 62 (63-8033) and BLUE 72 (58-0100) - both KC-135Rs from the 351st ARS at Mildenhall.

 

[JohnFB]

And John, I expect you to be out at Barnes today to get the tails of those six new F-15s (four yesterday, two coming in today). While you're at it, get the original four too. Thank you.

I totally missed this comment ......... as it stands, there are either 7 or 10 F-15s @ KBAF now. Supposedly they will be all C-models, many formerly stationed at Kadena.

The only one I can absolutely confirm being there is an F-15C #0016 and I'm not sure what year it was built. When I was there last Saturday, it was sitting on the hardstand, tail-towards me, so I couldn't get an angle on the serial.

77-0104 also is there - it will be on display [possibly the new gateguard to replace the A-10 behind the guard shack].

And Tin, I was at Barnes for 3.5 hours waiting for those suckers to show up ........ 5kt winds, gusting to 30kts. Rocked my pick-up truck a few times. I finally said, 'no way' they're showing up.

Of course, they showed up 3 hours after I left as ZESTY 45 & 46.

There's a lot of hangar space now, so they can hide a lot of Eagles from the public. The 4 that supposedly arrived Thursday were no where to be seen.

I may have to wait until January ............. at least the latest Environmental Impact Study indicates that they'll be taking off on R02 [to the north] to avoid housing. I should get better hits on my scanner when they have their noses pointed at me.

I want to have at least SOMEthing I can laud over you guys ........

 

[TinEar]

I want to have at least SOMEthing I can laud over you guys ........

You do John. You do. Just think of it...you've got a C-21A base at Bradley. And they're jets! They can move....uhhh....six passengers at a time. Wow!

And you've got Barnes with a growing supply of grounded F-15s. The noise problem that has the local community in an uproar is also solved with that action. Way to go!

We can't forget Westover either. Think of the excitement there - C-5s get to call themselves "RODD Heavy" and do many, many touch and goes all day. That's got to be exciting listening.

And there's Otis. Oh, wait a minute. Nevermind.

But you've also got the Patriots and Red Sox (Bruins and Celtics pending) so that makes up for it all.
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1314: French Air Force...CTM 0014, DA-900, tail 4/F-RAFQ, Etec 00.0065) with TRACON for approach to Andrews...119.3
French President Sarkozy expected in for meetings with the President today. This is just a small passenger jet and might be just support staff. There's another French Air Force aircraft about 40 minutes behind this one (when they crossed Nantucket) that's probably carrying the main guy (CTM 0001, A-319, tail 1485/F-RBFA). Last night I posted the arrival of CTM 0021 in the 1900 hour which probably carried the advance staff.
1320: CTM 0014 cleared for approach to runway 1R at Andrews...handed off to ADW Tower...119.3
1320: CTM 0014 to ADW Tower for landing runway 1R...118.4 (On the runway at 1323)
1342: Have CTM 0001 into the area...ZDC
1356: CTM 0001 now with TRACON for approach to runway 1R at Andrews...descending from 4000 to 2000 feet and has Andrews in sight at 1358...128.35
1400: CTM 0001 at 2000 feet and again reports Andrews in sight....handed off to ADW Tower...128.35
1401: CTM 0001 with ADW tower for landing runway 1R...118.4
1404: CTM 0001 has gear down and landing on runway 1R at ADW....118.4 (and he's on the runway)

1300: SCARY flight of two F-16s from DC-ANG Andrews airborne on interflight freq 139.15...with TRACON 348.725 for climbout...to ZDC-Montebello 284.7 (wonder why not to ZDC-Calvert 281.4 which would be normal)...to Patuxent Check-In 305.2...to BayWatch 354.8 where they get north spin, south spin, R-6609 exclusively...request tunnel to Andrews at 6000 feet when done...arrive back at Andrews and land at approximately 1350

 

[BM82557]

Civilian aircraft emergency

See thread http://www.radioreference.com/forums/showthread.php?p=644390#post644390 for a civilian emergency I copied between 1306 and 1310 on 121.5.

 

[TinEar]

Brian, it was EKN apparently. Another board reports DC 22 (KC-135R Andrews) and OPEC 23 (KC-10A McGuire) are both assisting on Cleveland Center freq 120.775. OPEC 23 says DC 22 will assist and OPEC 23 is leaving to go direct Bangor.

 

[Mark]

0040z Navy RG-190 arriving Andrews first on disp 372.200 and CP 378.100
RG C-20G VR-51 Windjammers MCB Hawaii
Been heard over Europe last couple days.
0058z SPAR 40 arriving Andrews
0100z OPEC 28 with BULLY 38 "new callsign he says" for IP AR-636 on GK 118.125 and AR primary 238.900

Mark

 

[TinEar]

I've got a couple of CLEAN tankers up that are probably meeting up with the last cell of Spangdahlem F-16s.
CLEAN 02...KC-135R, 59-1507, 99th ARS Robins
CLEAN 81...KC-10A, 79-1713, 60th AMW McGuire

0014: RIDER 85 (C-17A, 07-7169, 436th AW Dover) heading for home. Had him go out in the 1800 hour earlier tonight.
0022: RIDER 85 to Dover CP to report 15-20 minutes out, A-1...wants aerial port called to let them know they'll have two combat offload pallets...349.4
0023: SAM 1961 (C-37A, 99-0404, 99th AS Andrews) to Andrews CP to report 30 minutes out...378.1

Earlier tonight in the 2200 hour, I had an Israeli Defense Forces C-130H, tail 420/4X-FBQ in the area. He headed northeast from here and was heard over Cape Cod about 50 minutes later.

 

[JohnFB]

DEECEE again

DEECEE 20 wkg TEAM 21 in AR631 [295.800] TUE am [15010Z]. Are these the new best buddies now?

TEAM 22 was w/TEAM 21 earlier, but headed down to AR777 via MANTA LINND to work w/unkwon around the same time. I did hear him faintly on 228.000 around 1555Z. He was planning some transition work @ Atlantic City afterwards.

YANKEE 23 [103FW C-21] PIREP for SHARK OPS [138.550] and off to ADW @ 1540Z.

YANKEE 31 [103FW C-21] may also have heded to ADW later in the day @ 1855Z


... and thanks for the kinds words [ref above], Tin .... I was rofl. I think the Celtics managed to beat Washington by 20 in their opener ..... but I guess everyone beats the Wiz

 

[Waltz41]

I totally missed this comment ......... as it stands, there are either 7 or 10 F-15s @ KBAF now. Supposedly they will be all C-models, many formerly stationed at Kadena.

The only one I can absolutely confirm being there is an F-15C #0016 and I'm not sure what year it was built. When I was there last Saturday, it was sitting on the hardstand, tail-towards me, so I couldn't get an angle on the serial.

I can add a little bit more to this, working on getting the rest. If I do I'll put it up.

Two of them that are there now, are 80-0016 and 78-0475, which supposedly are both former Otis jets. At least 8 but maybe 10 as 6 did arrive last week with at least 4 straight from Kadena.

 

[TinEar]

I can add a little bit more to this, working on getting the rest. If I do I'll put it up.

Two of them that are there now, are 80-0016 and 78-0475, which supposedly are both former Otis jets. At least 8 but maybe 10 as 6 did arrive last week with at least 4 straight from Kadena.

Thanks Brian. These might be difficult to get for awhile until they go operational. I read somewhere - maybe in Airscoop - that they have plenty of hangar space right now and will keep them inside while they can. They had those original two that you mention, four more arrived from Kadena and I wasn't sure whether the next pair from Kadena made it before the F-15 fleet was grounded.
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There was one and possibly two more Coronet missions last night apparently. A pair of F-117s had gone to Burlington before their flight to Dubai for an airshow.They were accompanied by GOLD 81 and GOLD 91 tankers.

I was also waiting for the last bunch of Spangdahlem F-16s to depart last night but never heard them come through the area while monitoring interflight freq range 138-144. However, there was a CLEAN tanker --CLEAN 02 (59-1507), a KC-135R from the 99th ARS at Robins that came through the area last night and then returned around 0400 this morning. It might have been local support for the F-117 flight or part of the expected SP F-16 flight - if they finally left after three days of trying. I also had a CLEAN 81 (79-1713), a KC-10A from the 305th AMW at McGuire last night that was later heard in the U.K. this morning but I don't know for sure who he was with. I guess he could have been with that SP F-16 flight if they departed.
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The DE-ANG guys are coming back from Gulfport MS.
1124: RULER 70 (C-17A, 02-1112, 183rd AS MS-ANG Jackson) through the area.
1227: RULER 80 (C-17A, 03-3113, 183rd AS MS-ANG Jackson) came through.
CARMEN 4 (C-130H, 84-0209, 142nd AS DE-ANG New Castle) flying north through Georgia heard at 1215. CARMEN 1 (84-0206) heard there at 1305.
1326: CARMEN (4? or 5?) (both 84-0209 and 84-0210 flying overhead) to New Castle base ops...30 minutes out, A-1...has 37 pax, 14 crew, 1 pallet, 2 rolling stock...343.0 (Hmmm...14 crew on a C-130)
1358: Above had to be CARMEN 5...now CARMEN 4 calling in...15 minutes out, A-1, has 43 pax and 14 crew...343.0
1416: RULER 80 (C-17A, 03-3113, 183rd AS MS-ANG) has apparently dumped his DE-ANG load of people and things and has departed New Castle heading south
1433: CARMEN 1 (C-130H, 84-0206) through my area at this time heading for New Castle.
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1300: WILD flight of two DC-ANG F-16s airborne from Andrews....interflight 143.6 > TRACON 348.725 > ZDC-Calvert 281.4 > Patuxent Check-In 305.2 > BayWatch 354.8 for event 25B in R-6609.
1305: ANGRY flight of two DC-ANG F-16s airborne from Andrews....interflight 143.15 > TRACON 348.725 > ZDC-Swann 360.7 > > ZDC-Coyle 254.3 > ZDC-Sea Isle 281.45 > Giant Killer 255.0 on mission 0731 into W-107 at 1320
1311: SCARY flight of two DC-ANG F-16s airborne from Andrews....interflight 139.35 > TRACON 348.725 > ZDC-Swann 360.7 > ZDC-Coyle 254.3 > ZDC-Sea Isle 281.45 > Giant Killer 255.0 at 1325
1350: ANGRY and SCARY flights coming home from W-107...SCARY ZDC-Casino 285.4 | ANGRY ZDC-Kenton 354.15 then both flights > TRACON 317.425 > TRACON 270.275 > ADW Tower 349.0 for 1L...SCARY flight touching down at 1410...ANGRY flight down at 1414...no idea about the WILD flight, wasn't monitoring them.
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1341: RHODY 38 (C-130J, 06-1438, 143rd AS RI-ANG) to New Castle base ops to report he's airborne...says he landed at 1830Z and was airborne at 1839Z and thanks them for their help...343.0
1347: RHODY 38 calling Andrews Command Post....10 minutes out with 9 pax for offload...parking on 10 row..."Is ERO a possibility for this on 10-Row?"...378.1
1350: BATON ?? (EC-130J, 01-1935, 193rd SOW PA-ANG Harrisburg) calling BATON Command with arrival message...30 minutes out, A-2, 12K on the fuel...395.1

1411: A-10 flight from MD-ANG at Martin State active on interflight freq...142.3 (Heard w/Harrisburg at 1419...281.525....then w/ZOB-Tyrone 299.2 at 1430...must be working The Duke or somewhere up that way. There were also some A-10s from Willow Grove up at the same time. They might be the ones I heard w/Harrisburg and ZOB.)
1419: Navy fighters in ACM activity...callsigns DOG 1 and DOG 2...365.7
1435: ROYAL 50 (C-17A, 06-6168, 436th AW Dover) working Dover Tower....126.35

Late 1300 hour has Langley F-22As going out to W-386 on mission V-0704...latest one was DEVO 11 flight to Giant Killer on 249.8. There might be a DRAGNET AWACS E-3C out there too.
1414: DEVO 11 to Giant Killer to complain he has other aircraft in his airspace at FL 250 and understood his flight has an exclusive on that airspace...249.8
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Approximately 1630, French Air Force (Armee de l Aire)...CTM 0001, A-319-155X, 1485/F-RBFA departed Andrews. This should be the aircraft carrying French President Nicolas Sarkozy home after a one day visit.
And, at 1650, the support staff aircraft CTM 0014, DA-900, 4/F-RAFQ departs Andrews.

 

[CitationJet]

Re: CTM

Hi Tin,

My apologies if this appears somewhere else in the thread, I've just had only a few seconds to have a look in, but the R/T callsign for CTM is COTAM, COmmandement du Transport Aérien Militaire en France.

Best regards,

Tony

1848: French Air Force (Armee de l Air)...CTM 0021, A-310-304, tail 422/F-RADB, ET 03.060 into the area...descending for approach to one of the area airports. At 1858, he's due east of Andrews over the Eastern Shore of Maryland at 11,000 feet and on a course of 270 degrees. At 1902, he crossing the Bay and descending. Looks like he's heading for Andrews. Yes...he's looking for an approach to runway 19R at Andrews w/TRACON...128.35 (Believe he's saying COTHAM 0021 for the callsign)

 

[TinEar]

Hi Tin,

My apologies if this appears somewhere else in the thread, I've just had only a few seconds to have a look in, but the R/T callsign for CTM is COTAM, COmmandement du Transport Aérien Militaire en France.

Best regards,

Tony

Oui. Merci Tony.

CoTAM est un sigle signifiant Commandement du Transport Aérien Militaire en France. Commandement existant de février 1962 (succédant ainsi au GUAS [Groupement d'Unités Aériennes Spécialisées] transport) au 11 mars 1994 (où il devient CFAP, Commandement de la Force Aérienne de Projection)

1804-07: UPSET 55 (KC-135R, 62-3500, 126th ARS WI-ANG Milwaukee) calling SAM Command...no joy...378.1
1808: UPSET 55 to Andrews SAM Command with arrival message...reports returning from an operation (departed ADW 0950 this morning)...currently 15 minutes out, A-1, 16K on the fuel, has 15 SOBs of which one is a Space A pax...needs lav service...378.1
1813: UPSET 55 repeats above arrival mesage...adds that he needs a K-Loader, fleet service for the toilets and crew transportation...378.1

Earlier this afternoon starting at 1311, I had an unidentified aircraft - LAMB 13 - with ZDC-Potomac 307.025 and then over to ZDC-Tech 377.2 at FL 360 and then climbed to FL 380. Anyone have an affiliation for that callsign?

2030: Finally...the last of the French Air Force aircraft is leaving Andrews....CTM 0021 (A-310-304, tail 422/F-RADB) is airborne with ADW Tower 118.4 and then to TRACON 125.65 as he climbs out. This was the first one in with the advance team the day before President Sarkozy arrived.
2036: CTM 0021 Heavy handed off to Potomac in the BWI area, checks in and is cleared to 14,000 feet...then cleared to FL 230...124.55
2037: CTM 0021 Heavy handed to ZDC-Swann and checks in in the climb to FL 230...134.5

 

[Mark]

0115z/2015 local RYDER 85 C-17 #06-6167 local trainer rtb Dover after low level
route in New Jersey had bird strike.
After rtb Dover have our AR time with tanker out of Niagra Falls pushed
back to 0245z.
0555z/0055 local RYDER 85 Heard coming home again after tanker work ,alpha 1.

Mark

 

[JohnFB]

1435: ROYAL 50 (C-17A, 06-6168, 436th AW Dover) working Dover Tower....126.35

1455Z : 238.900 AR212 ROYAL 50 w/FUZZY 31
1510Z : 282.700 switch to 2ndry

 

[JohnFB]

Ref above: serials for F-15Cs @ KBAF ..... thanks for any info you can get, Waltz41. It's a 20-30 minute drive over to Barnes for me, depending on traffic.

I hate going over just to see empty hardstands.

and Tin .... I was the one who mentioned there being plenty of hangar space

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Wednesday

0709Z : 397.100 HAWK 01 w/Bedford-Hanscom CP - t/o @ :02 pls pass to TACC. I don't know if this was the same C-21 that dropped off the PAX yesterday @ KBED, but he headed S like he was headed to ADW.

Funny .... I noticed on the MilCom list that there were two B-2s flying around on Wednesday using HAWK 01.

 

[BM82557]

C5's of 167th WV-ANG at Martinsburg

1339 local - Still on the ramp is 70-0462 which has been there since July. Back from Westover is 70-0463 along with new (to me) t/n 69-0027 (ex-Westover). Haven't had 90027 there before.

 

[Mark]

Today's online paper..
Looks like more truck traffic into Dover base area..

Mark

DAFB to become primary cargo departure point
By JEFF MONTGOMERY, The News Journal
Posted Thursday, November 8, 2007 at 9:20 am

An already busy Dover Air Force Base has gained an expanded role in hauling cargo to Iraq, Afghanistan and southwest Asia, under a "rebalancing" plan just announced by the military’s Air Mobility Command.

Under the change, most cargo for the war-torn region will move through Dover and the McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey instead of Charleston Air Force Base in South Carolina after Jan. 1.

Air Force officials said the new arrangement will cut 18 to 24 hours of cargo travel time by eliminating a practice of bypassing Dover and McGuire when commercial trucks haul defense goods to the traditional departure point at Charleston.

Planes from bases in Delaware and New Jersey now routinely fly to South Carolina to pick up the goods before continuing on to war zones or nearby bases. In addition to time, more than $40 million could be saved each year, officials estimated, by cutting out the extra step and making Dover a primary departure point.

An Air Mobility Command spokesman at Scott Air Force Base, Ill., was unable to provide additional details this morning on the scale of the change in terms of traffic, flights or staff at Dover.

Civilian air transport “freighters” also routinely fly through Dover on contract missions for the Defense Department.

Charleston will remains the nation’s largest C-17 base, Air Force officials said, and will continue to serve as the main departure point for reinforced, mine-resistant vehicles.