Sticky Thread for MilAir II

[JohnFB]

only one thing of possible interest .....

SUN
11-11-07

0440Z

RCH 1197 [01-0197 C-17 437AW]
ETH 07 [58-0117 KC-135 171ARW]

set-up on 305.500 for AR20

 

[TinEar]

VHF extremely noisy today from my location. UHF isn't much better.

1040-55: REACH 44133 (C-17A, 04-4133, 305th AMW McGuire) calling McGuire Command Post but using the wrong freq...349.4
1049: REACH 371 (KC-10A, 85-0033, 305th AMW McGuire) w/ZDC-Sea Isle...133.125 (Coming in from Europe...heard in the UK in 0900Z hour)
1052: EVAC 67325 (C-130H, 96-7325, 731st AS) w/TRACON...125.65 (departed Andrews)
1053: REACH 371 calling Andrews Command Post....no joy...378.1
1056: REACH 44133 finally switches to correct freq and gives arrival message to McGuire Command Post....believe he said he was going to Ramstein AB or that part of the crew was (this aircraft just came in from Europe yesterday)...319.4

1102: ENERGY 12 w/TRACON heading for Andrews....119.3 (Unknown aircraft)
1102: REACH 371 to Andrews Tower to say he's still 20 minutes out and wants to know if they will be landing on runway 19R today...118.4
1103: REACH 371 to Andrews CP...now says 30 minutes out and has 30K fuel, is A-1, no cargo, 3 passengers, needs airstairs, hi lift truck, Customs and AG...378.1
1109: REACH 371 to ADW Tower...says still 15 miles out, asking again about runway 19R and the status of the cable...118.4
1110: VDA 4310 (AN-124, RA-82079, Russian Federation) through the area at FL 340...ZDC VHF (Flightaware is now showing this giant aircraft departing Goose Bay Labrador (CYYR) and heading for Leipzig Halle (EDDP). The problem with that is that he's going through this area and we sure aren't on that flight route. At first, I thought this was the same one I logged yesterday but that one was tail RA-82078.)
1116: SAM 1991 (C-20B, 86-0203, 99th AS Andrews) w/TRACON...125.65
1117: REACH 454T (C-17A, 06-6165, 436th AW Dover) to Dover CP with arrival message...349.4
1117: At the same time as the above transmission, I also heard ROYAL 90 (C-17A, 06-6167, 436th AW Dover) but I have no idea which freq he was on.
1119: REACH 371 Heavy w/TRACON for approach to runway 19R at ADW....128.35
1126: REACH 371 Heavy w/ADW Twr on the TACAN for runway 19L....cleared to land....118.4
1130: There's a World Airways DC-10 (N303WL) on the ramp at BWI currently w/Clearance Delivery..118.05 (This aircraft is often used for charters for military cargo. I heard him flying in the area a couple of days ago but didn't realize he had gone into BWI. I believe he was flight WOA 9088 if I remember correctly.)
1150: MARINE 374 (UC-35D, 166374, MAW-4) w/TRACON for approach to Andrews....128.35
1156: MARINE 374 w/ADW Tower for landing...118.4

1305: REACH 8054 (C-17A, 98-0054, 62nd AW McChord)) overhead this area....ZDC BHF
1318: REACH 371 off from Andrews....TRACON (see above for ID)
1329: REACH 371 to McGuire CP...30 minutes out, A-1, no pax or cargo, requesting Dash 21 for IAU download and detox for Silver Bullet download...319.4
No telling whether this KC-10A was carrying the Silver Bullet from overseas on his flight into Andrews or if he just picked it up at Andrews and is returning it home to McGuire where it lives.
1333: REACH 371 descending to 7000 feet and requesting direct McGuire...with Atlantic City Approach...124.6
1347: DC 92 (KC-135R, 61-0307, 756th ARS Andrews) calls Griffin Command at Andrews...says he's a KC-135 assigned to the 459th (ARW), is 20 minutes out, has 30K fuel, will park on the Reserve ramp and no one is working their unit today to meet them, has no pax or cargo and needs fleet service for his latrines...378.1 (Latrine is an interesting term to use for the lav aboard a KC-135)
This aircraft left Andrews on November 8th. I have no idea where he's been for the past four days.
1355: HIRE 08 (C-17A, 98-0057, 62nd AW McChord) reports off the deck (at Andrews) at this time to Griffin Command...378.1 (And, yes, it is HIRE, not HIGHER)
1359: HIRE 08 w/TRACON as he climbs out of Andrews...118.95

1443: Coast Guard 2139 (HU-25C, 2139, CGAS Cape Cod) lands at BWI w/Tower on short runway 15L...119.4...Handed over to Ground Control and motoring along taxiway Papa and P1 where he's being held to let commercial aircraft pass...then cleared to Alpha, left turn on Bravo and hold short of November taxiway...then cleared for right turn on November, right on Sierra, left on Kilo and hold short of runway 33R...at 1450 he has reached that last point...a minute later he's cleared to cross runway 33R at Kilo and reports in when he has done that...at 1452:05 he has reached his parking spot...w/Ground Ctl...121.9
Sure wish I could hear Andrews with the same signal strength I hear BWI controllers and aircraft on the ground.
This aircraft departed BWI about an hour later.

I'm leaving but if you want to hear Air Force 1 arriving at Andrews, he should be in around 1540 or so. (Actually into the area about two minutes later than that educated guess)

Ref below: Jack, I put a radio on that freq as soon as you posted and haven't heard anything on it. (Time now 1232)

 

[JackTV]

282.8

Hey All,
I am picking up some foreign speaking language on 282.8. Sounds almost like Chineese, or Japanese language. The signal is pretty steady.When one of them keys up it sounds like a little feedback. Check it out.

13:13 Ref Above: Tin, have not heard a peep since then also. Figures!!!!!
Jack

 

[ka3jjz]

There was a report on Scan-DC - I think it was last week - where some Korean fishing trawlers were heard here. What the heck would fishing trawlers be doing on UHF milair is beyond me. Spies perhaps? (chuckle) 73s Mike

 

[ka3jjz]

With the Xmas season rapidly approaching, I decided to try to get together an article that lists the freqs most commonly heard with mil traffic in our area. I can easily see someone buying a new scanner for Xmas and asking 'where can I hear....?' No sense overwhelming a newcomer with 500 or more freqs when much less is a better introduction.

The article is here...

http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Delmarva_Milcom_Quick_List

It has several holes - common GK freqs and some better Pax River listings, in addition to anything from APG are some possibilities. Although they're not technically part of the Delmarva, some common Dover and Willow Grove freqs should round things out a bit. Some help needed here

Once the article is filled out a little more, I'm going to dump all of these into an Excel spreadsheet and make it publicly available via email request. File imports are a snap from the better programs and it's an easy way to get the newcomers introduced with a minimum of pain

73s Mike

 

[TinEar]

With the Xmas season rapidly approaching, I decided to try to get together an article that lists the freqs most commonly heard with mil traffic in our area. I can easily see someone buying a new scanner for Xmas and asking 'where can I hear....?' No sense overwhelming a newcomer with 500 or more freqs when much less is a better introduction.

The article is here...

http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Delmarva_Milcom_Quick_List

It has several holes - common GK freqs and some better Pax River listings, in addition to anything from APG are some possibilities. Although they're not technically part of the Delmarva, some common Dover and Willow Grove freqs should round things out a bit. Some help needed here

Once the article is filled out a little more, I'm going to dump all of these into an Excel spreadsheet and make it publicly available via email request. File imports are a snap from the better programs and it's an easy way to get the newcomers introduced with a minimum of pain

73s Mike

One question Mike...since you're giving them freqs for Civilian Air listening in the first section, why are you providing UHF freqs? They would operate on the VHF side. Or do you mean "Civilian (or simply 'FAA') Controllers" rather than "Civilian Air?"

 

[BM82557]

See thread http://www.radioreference.com/forums/showthread.php?p=644390#post644390 for a civilian emergency I copied between 1306 and 1310 on 121.5.

Brian, it was EKN apparently. Another board reports DC 22 (KC-135R Andrews) and OPEC 23 (KC-10A McGuire) are both assisting on Cleveland Center freq 120.775. OPEC 23 says DC 22 will assist and OPEC 23 is leaving to go direct Bangor.

This was posted in the Aircraft forum in followup to the incident I posted on 11/06:

Florida Pilot Makes Emergency Landing on Cheat Mountain

http://theintermountain.com/page/content.detail/id/501159.html?nav=5014

 

[ka3jjz]

One question Mike...since you're giving them freqs for Civilian Air listening in the first section, why are you providing UHF freqs? They would operate on the VHF side. Or do you mean "Civilian (or simply 'FAA') Controllers" rather than "Civilian Air?"

Good point Tin, I'll fix the caption. 73s Mike

 

[CitationJet]

Re: DC 92

Was heard arriving COS Sunday transporting the Air Force football team and AFA cadets back from battling Notre Dame, so I assume it was at Grissom?

1347: DC 92 (KC-135R, 61-0307, 756th ARS Andrews) calls Griffin Command at Andrews...says he's a KC-135 assigned to the 459th (ARW), is 20 minutes out, has 30K fuel, will park on the Reserve ramp and no one is working their unit today to meet them, has no pax or cargo and needs fleet service for his latrines...378.1 (Latrine is an interesting term to use for the lav aboard a KC-135)
This aircraft left Andrews on November 8th. I have no idea where he's been for the past four days.

 

[BM82557]

With the Xmas season rapidly approaching, I decided to try to get together an article that lists the freqs most commonly heard with mil traffic in our area. I can easily see someone buying a new scanner for Xmas and asking 'where can I hear....?' No sense overwhelming a newcomer with 500 or more freqs when much less is a better introduction.

The article is here...

http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Delmarva_Milcom_Quick_List

It has several holes - common GK freqs and some better Pax River listings, in addition to anything from APG are some possibilities. Although they're not technically part of the Delmarva, some common Dover and Willow Grove freqs should round things out a bit. Some help needed here

Once the article is filled out a little more, I'm going to dump all of these into an Excel spreadsheet and make it publicly available via email request. File imports are a snap from the better programs and it's an easy way to get the newcomers introduced with a minimum of pain

73s Mike

Only other freq I can think of would be vhf guard. It can get pretty busy at times when the Guard Dog cap is active.


Brian

 

[ka3jjz]

Good one Bri - to the article it goes. Thanks 73s Mike

 

[BM82557]

Activity 11132007

1340 local - ANVIL 33, 130th WV-ANG, cleared to land runway 08 by Martinsburg tower - 124.300

Just got home and turned the scanner on when that came through so I don't where he was. Anyone hear him before that?

Edit to add -

1410 - ANVIL 33 cleared by Martinsburg tower to COF, expect FL 220 ten minutes after departure, squawk 2470 - 121.800

Edit 2 - COF is Patrick AFB

 

[screenersam]

With the Xmas season rapidly approaching, I decided to try to get together an article that lists the freqs most commonly heard with mil traffic in our area. I can easily see someone buying a new scanner for Xmas and asking 'where can I hear....?' No sense overwhelming a newcomer with 500 or more freqs when much less is a better introduction.

The article is here...

http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Delmarva_Milcom_Quick_List

It has several holes - common GK freqs and some better Pax River listings, in addition to anything from APG are some possibilities. Although they're not technically part of the Delmarva, some common Dover and Willow Grove freqs should round things out a bit. Some help needed here

Once the article is filled out a little more, I'm going to dump all of these into an Excel spreadsheet and make it publicly available via email request. File imports are a snap from the better programs and it's an easy way to get the newcomers introduced with a minimum of pain

73s Mike

Sweeet!!!
allow me to add some Wallops Island freqs;
121.7 ground ctrl
121.95 Nasa 511 surveillance aircraft
123.4 Nasa 432
126.5 Tower
164.7 Range Safety Officer
326.3 alt to 121.95
394.3 tower

thanks much! this saves a lot of hunt & peck!

 

[ka3jjz]

Not a problem Sam. I'll add these tonight and make sure the spreadsheet is updated. I want to avoid distributing the file for a few days and give folks time to look at the article and add/correct stuff. I'll probably make the file available (via email) on Sunday.

73s Mike

 

[CitationJet]

Re: Delmarva Milcom Quick List

Hi Mike,

One correction and a possible addition for your Quick List:

Under: Other Related

* 139.400 Davison AAF Ops/Metro; also Andrews Navy ops

Andrews USN PTD is actually on 139.300.

Also, add Davison AAF TWR 126.300 as a good freq for newcomers. Always plenty of comms there...

Best regards,

Tony

 

[ka3jjz]

Hmm, that's something that should go to the database, as that's how 139.4 is listed. In fact, I've heard that before, but it's been quite a while. I'll fix it in the article and add the Davison AAF tower freq Thanx Tony 73s Mike

 

[TinEar]

Finally got the site working. I've been trying all evening to post a few things but couldn't get RR to cooperate. Just too many people using it I guess.

Mike, I haven't been able to check the database but Tony's correction to the 139.3 freq reminds me that you should also check to see if the Navy PTD freq is listed as 251.25 now rather than the old 386.8 freq. It's VHF 139.3 for everyone and UHF split 251.25 for Navy and 372.2 for Air Force. I also noticed today that Airnav is still showing the same mistake it has for years for the Andrews Command Post freq. They show 349.4 rather than 378.1.

Today was an extremely busy day in the MilAir world - perhaps because of the holiday yesterday. It started with a bunch of Spangdahlem A-10s (81st Fighter Squadron) moving from MacDill to Westover this morning. The flights were HURON 31 and HURON 41 with six aircraft each. They were accompanied by a pair of KC-10A tankers. One of them was CAFE 81 (79-1946 from McGuire) and CAFE 91 (84-0189 from Travis.) I got a few of the tail numbers for the A-10s but those aren't important for this area so no need to list them. I would guess they'll leave tomorrow morning to head back to Spangdahlem with the two tankers.

Late morning and into the afternoon saw a couple of E-3 AWACS aircraft from the 552nd ACW at Tinker AFB OK working. One was DRAGNET-VICTOR working over Kentucky (E-3C, 77-0355, 966th AACS). I imagine that one was controlling the airspace in that area since the President took a trip to Kentucky. The other was DARKSTAR-PAPA (E-3C, 77-0351, 965th AACS) working Langley F-22s in the offshore areas. Both E-3s were working with NORTHERN LIGHTS on AICC freq 364.2 and chatting with each other on the same freq. Early in the 1500 hour, both ended their control function and signed off the NEADS/NORAD net and headed home to Offutt. (There was another E-3 working down in the Orlando FL area - tail 77-0356 - but I have no idea what they were doing.)

There was lots of activity at Patuxent and just a ton of transports and tankers moving around this area into all the major bases. One unusual flight among all the others I heard was a SPARKY 08 flight of two helos working with Andrews, and then over to Davison AAF eventually. I don't know their unit affiliation and have never heard that callsign before today. One of the two in that flight also identified himself as ARMY 20012 when he called Davison. There were also a couple of JEDI EA-6B flights from VAQ-209 at Andrews working today. I've mentioned previously they've been using this callsign which has apparently replaced the old COBRA callsign.

COBRA 72 (Open Skies OC-135B, 61-2672, 45th RS) came into Andrews and left later as OPEN SKY 12T, reporting departure from Andrews at 2009Z and heading to KOFF (Offutt AFB NE.)

HAWK 01: This is an Andrews 457th AS C-21A (84-0131) that likes to use this callsign recently. I have no idea why he's suddenly using that rather than JOSA.

As mentioned, the President went to Kentucky today. He flew on 82-8000 as he has done the past couple of flights he has taken. 92-9000 went along with them as the lead. On the return, I heard 92-9000 providing flight conditions and weather along the route on the usual 136.725 freq. AF 1 landed at Andrews at 1525.

A new airspace fix has been added in West Virginia as of today. I'ts VERNI 39-26-23.93N / 079-33-02.10W.
There are also 16 new airspace fixes added for Maine in the ZBW area today. I imagine we'll soon see a list from the FAA deleting some of the old fixes.

 

[JohnFB]

Today was an extremely busy day in the MilAir world - perhaps because of the holiday yesterday. It started with a bunch of Spangdahlem A-10s (81st Fighter Squadron) moving from MacDill to Westover this morning. The flights were HURON 31 and HURON 41 with six aircraft each.

Tin, I held off posting anything ..... wanted to see if you'd show up.

Only thing I can add [for peoples' records] is that HURON 31 A2A was 138.875 and HURON 41 was 139.825.

 

[ka3jjz]

<snip>
Mike, I haven't been able to check the database but Tony's correction to the 139.3 freq reminds me that you should also check to see if the Navy PTD freq is listed as 251.25 now rather than the old 386.8 freq. It's VHF 139.3 for everyone and UHF split 251.25 for Navy and 372.2 for Air Force. I also noticed today that Airnav is still showing the same mistake it has for years for the Andrews Command Post freq. They show 349.4 rather than 378.1.
<snip>

I'll take a look later and submit changes to the DB if needed. I too was experiencing the same thing with the site being slow as molasses on a cold New England morning so I didn't look last nite.

73s Mike

 

[CitationJet]

11.13.2007 pm

Hi,

Back at the radio for a bit on the way home yesterday pm, that is until the batteries gave out...8-(

1937Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - NAVY 7C 807 (UC-12B 161203 NAS Oceana NFD) - lands rwy 32.
1947Z 118.950 PT DEP - VENUS 26 - deps ADW to 5000'.
1947Z 378.100 SAM CP Andrews - HAWK 01 - up with arr. msg.
1953Z 119.300 PT APP - SAM 1993 - @ 6000' for the arr. to rwy 1R.
1954Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - PAT 1267 (C-12T 85-1267 OSACOM VA RFC) - deps rwy 32 QSY PT DEP 118.950 @ 700' for 2000' cleared to 4000'.
1957Z 139.400 Davison AAF Ops - ARMY 20012 - clg here first time no joy, second time unreadable.

2001Z 128.350 PT APP - SPAR 28 - vects. for the vis. to rwy 1R @ ADW. JOSA 747 up here as well.
2011Z 118.950 PT DEP - OPEN SKIES 12T - deps ADW to 17000'.
2017Z 119.850 PT APP - AIR FORCE 1 - 8000' for 6000' crossing AML.
2025Z 118.950 PT DEP - NAVY 7C 807 (UC-12B 161203 NAS Oceana NFD) - deps rwy 32 @ DAA to 7000' dir GRUBY QSY PT APP 126.400.
2027Z 118.950 PT DEP - PAT 675 (C-12) - to 4000'.