Sticky Thread for MilAir II

[Mateo]

Under the change, most cargo for the war-torn region will move through Dover and the McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey instead of Charleston Air Force Base in South Carolina after Jan. 1.

Good for Dover, but this is a terrible idea. There are exactly three ways onto the Delmarva Peninsula - the always-congested Bay Bridge, the out of the way Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel, and the not ready for prime time DE-1. There isn't an Interstate within 50 miles of DOV, which means a long slog along 4-lane divideds that just don't flow freely. There's a reason that there's no heavy industry out that way, just miles and miles of chicken farms. McGuire is located right off the Interstate, and is very close to 95 for N-S travel and 76 for E-W. If they had to choose a second northern base for cargo departure, I would have gone with Stewart - also at the intersection of 2 Interstates (87/84), which themselves are extensions of the 80 and 95 corridors. Plus, SWF is an ANG base, and spreading missions over AMC, AFRC, and ANG units are all the rage these days. Apologies for the off-topic diversion.

 

[Mark]

Good for Dover, but this is a terrible idea. There are exactly three ways onto the Delmarva Peninsula - the always-congested Bay Bridge, the out of the way Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel, and the not ready for prime time DE-1.

I can say some Dover locals already complaining about Trucks taking backroads into
Dover AFB off rte 1 and now you are gonna add lots of hazardous cargo as well as more truck traffic.
On the other hand most locals down there support the base a lot and are used to it as it adds lots of $ to the local economy.
These days I'm sure they will take the money and make the best of it...

Course one good thing is for aircrews who I hear often in C-5's depart Dover to KCHS for uploads then rtb Dover
for fuel topoff or AR off Nantuckett and then finally depart Eastbound overseas.

As a side note Dover AFB just got a Best in AMC award.
Probably a pat on the back to prepare to get ready for some extra work!
http://www.amc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123075033

0200z OPEC 49 up with STEEL 63 on 274.450 for AR work. I have that as AR-220 freq wherever that is.
0205z CRAB 10 flt of 2 C-130's with Phillips tower 126.150 inbound doing drops.
0235z CRAB 10 back again for last drops at Aberdeen.Also on new Crab Ops freq 384.100...Thank Tin for that one.

Mark

 

[trainman111]

I have that as AR-220 freq wherever that is.

Mark

Mark, It looks like AR-220 extends from southern PA west to western Ohio, then north to Lake Erie, then east across Northern PA.

 

[Mark]

Mark, It looks like AR-220 extends from southern PA west to western Ohio, then north to Lake Erie, then east across Northern PA.

Thanks Train as OPEC 49 was real loud and clear for a while on freq then lost them.
Must have headed for the sticks of Pa and he also mentioned AR flight level 190 which
is awfully low.

Mark

 

[trainman111]

That sounds right Mark. The AP1B says that the refueling ops in AR 220 are performed at either FL190 or FL220.

 

[dparana]

OPEC 49 was 87-0121
STEEL 63 was 59-1504

 

[JohnFB]

1418Z : 360.600 NIKEL 91 chk in ZBW
1419Z : 290.350 NIKEL 91 chk in - direct JFK // direct SBY V1 CCV LFI direct.

1513Z : 295.800 DRAGO 51 w/TEAM 42 AR631. clld FORCE twice by mistake.

Later DRAGO hrd w/ZBW direct ATR OTT for hold @ Nottingham before Arlington fly-by @ 1805Z. He passed a serial #, but it was garbled, so I don't know type a/c.

1525Z : 134.750 Navy 7W 928 w/MHT APP rqsting GPS approachs @ KCON R35. Possibly UC-12B from VR-52?

1615Z : 348.700 MAPLE 38 w/ZBW probably heading S to Langley. Many comm probs with ATC .... constant comms chks.

1 or 2 A-10s from 103FW Bradley, CT leaving soon for new home w/124W in Boise, ID. Soon, Bradley will be down to C-21s only.

 

[TinEar]

1513Z : 295.800 DRAGO 51 w/TEAM 42 AR631. clld FORCE twice by mistake.
Later DRAGO hrd w/ZBW direct ATR OTT for hold @ Nottingham before Arlington fly-by @ 1805Z. He passed a serial #, but it was garbled, so I don't know type a/c.

DRAGO 51 = KC-135R, 62-3556, 756th ARS AFRC Andrews AFB MD
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Start 0956: PRIDE 11, flight of two F/A-18s from VFA-15 NAS Oceana through the area...ZDC-Dominion 377.1 > ZDC-Irons 360.85 > ZDC-Azalea 263.1 > ZDC-Casanova 282.2. I lost them around 1006 at this point. They show up again with ZDC-Azalea 263.1 at 1031 > ZDC-Irons 360.85 at 1037 at FL 190 > Norfolk TRACON 370.925 at 1049.

1000 hour: Langley F-22A flights working offshore with Giant Killer...249.8

1000: E-6B, 164407, VQ-4 circling the Patuxent area at low altitude (6800 feet) and then finally climbs out about 15 minutes later to FL 280 and heads due west. I eventually lost him around Gordonsville.
1007: ROYAL 90 (C-17A, 06-6167, 436th AW Dover)...ZDC- VHF
1009: RAWHIDE 35 (Prob C-2A, VRC-40, USS Eisenhower) to Dover Command Post asking if they can service a C-2....Mil Spec O-27210...134.1
1012: DC 99 (KC-135R, 62-3543, 756th ARS Andrews) touch and goes at ADW w/Tower...118.4
1017: VENUS 93 (C-32A, 99-0003, 1st AS Andrews) doing touch and goes at ADW w/Tower and says after the next one he's going to leave for Atlantic City...118.4
1030: CRAB 56 (C-130J, 98-1356, 135th AS MD-ANG) up w/CRAB Ops....384.1
1035: McGuire KC-10A talking to a U/I aircraft on interplane freq...are going to try to be at the IP at 1600Z...currently at FL 250 climbing to 260...the unheard aircraft is also a tanker according to the chat...139.875 (Turns out to be TEAM 53 which is probably tail 87-0123)
1038: FLYER 1 and 2 (A-10, PA-ANG Willow Grove) with Willow Grove ANG Ops giving mission report...343.0
1041: VENUS 93 (see above) with Atlantic City Approach...will do work on runway 31 at ACY...124.6

1145: I've got 239.075 active which should belong to VFA-131 at NAS Oceana...however I've also got them working ZDC-Norfolk 327.8 to ZDC-Blackstone 235.625 as WILDCAT 21 flight. WILDCAT fits for VFA-141 NAS Oceana F/A-18s. They are now operating on the 239.075 freq as CAT 21/22/23. I also heard PRIDE on that freq one time making it look like it's a generic NAS Oceana freq rather than just for VFA-131 as I previously had listed in my database. WILDCAT 21 flight to ZDC-Gordonsville 351.9 and then ZDC-Shenandoah 270.35 at 1154 and checking in at FL 280 all along the way. Back to ZDC-Norfolk 327.8 a few minutes later. They appear to be flying in circles.

1219: NAVY SD 400 (NF/A-18D, 163476, VX-23 Patuxent) handed off from a Pax freq (wasn't paying attention to which) to ZDC-Calvert where he checked in at FL 180 on the way to 200...then was cleared to FL 260...281.4
1222: Belgian Air Force...BAF 638, C-130H, tail CH-08, 20 Squadron...calling Andrews Command Post...x2, no joy...141.55 (Still calling at 1230 and still no joy)
1238: 386 (E-6B, 164386, VQ-4) reports off the deck at Patuxent and thanks the SHADOW unit for all their help...310.15 (Airborne at 1235 and heading west)
1241: JOSA 495 (C-21A, 85-0095, 457th AS Andrews) reports takeoff time as 1732Z...378.1
1241: BAF 638 flight with ADW Tower for landing runway 19R...118.4

1314: VENUS 94 (C-32A, 99-0004, 1st AS Andrews) working w/ADW Tower reporting gear down and asking for wind check...he's doing pattern work...118.4 (Very loud squeal in his transmitter and had to repeat transmission several times. He then changes transmitters and asks how the new one is doing...this one is loud and clear.)
1316: PACER 66 (C-21A, 84-0092, 457th AS Andrews) doing touch and goes w/ADW Tower (he's been at it for almost two hours now)...118.4
1322: COPPER 2 (KC-135R, 62-3550, 197th ARS AZ-ANG) overflying the area at FL 360....ZDC VHF
1329: WARPIG 1 flight (A-10) with ZDC-Blue Ridge requesting descent to 15,000 feet....285.6
1330: REACH 425T (C-17A, 06-6164, 60th AMW Travis) to Andrews CP reporting 10 minutes out....378.1
1333: WARPIG 1 reporting out of FL 250...285.6
1335: WARPIG 1 handed off to Potomac TRACON 254.25 and tries to check in but no joy so goes back to Blue Ridge on 285.6
1337: WARPIG 1 sent back to TRACON and tries to check in at 15000 feet...has info Q (ATIS report) at Martin...254.25 (so...headed to MTN)
1337: REACH 425T w/ADW Tower for landing....118.4
1338: WARPIG 1 trying to contact RAVEN Ops at MTN...no joy...143.8
1340: WARPIG 1 handed off to TRACON (BWI area) freq but was given a VHF freq apparently and keeps calling asking for a UHF freq but is not being heard by the controller...eventually gets 291.625...254.25
1342: WARPIG 1 to TRACON and checks in...cleared down to 7000....291.625 (This controller is apparently having difficulty hearing him also....loud and clear here)
1344: WARPIG 1 cleared to 4000 feet....291.625
1344: WARPIG still trying to contact RAVEN Ops but no joy....143.8
1346: WARPIG 1 handed off to TRACON and checks in at 4000 feet...cleared to 2500 for the localizer...282.275
1346: Again to RAVEN Ops for WARPIG 1 but gets the same result...nothing...143.8
1349: TRACON sends WARPIG 1 to 119.0 because his UHF transmitter is cutting out...WARPIG goes to that freq and is reported to be loud and clear....119.0 (Always was l/c here)
1350: WARPIG 1 handed off to MTN Tower and checks in there....297.2
1352: WARPIG 1 reports gear down, full stop...297.2 (This was apparently a single ship flight)

1345-1354: MADHOG flight of three A-10s from Willow Grove first heard with ZOB-Altoona 363.075...then found again on ZNY-Harrisburg 270.3 where they start descending...next stop with ZNY-Middletown 322.4....MADHOG 3 calls Ops on 343.0 and lets them know they're 15 minutes out and all three are Code 1...3 gives his tail as 647....interflight freq for them is 143.75
1357: MADHOG flight handed to ZNY-Lancaster and check in passing FL 190 for 180...239.05
1402: MADHOG cleared to descend from FL 180 down to 8000 feet...later ask forlower and get 7000...239.05
1406: MADHOG handed off to Philadelphia TRACON and check in descending to 7000 with Zulu (WG ATIS)...two calls, no joy...get them on third...request lower for weather, get 6000...announce direct Willow Grove...273.575
1409: MADHOG requesting still lower for wx...instead, are handed off to another Phil. TRACON freq where they again request lower to get under the weather...get 5000...291.7
And, as they go lower still, they disappear from my listening range. The end.

1400: Belgian Air Force 638 (see above for ID) departs Andrews...TRACON (only stayed at ADW for about an hour)
1420-24: (PAT 148 (an Army C-26D) with TRACON 119.3 and then ADW Tower for landing runway 19L...118.4
1434: KANZA 91 (KC-135R, 22nd ARW McConnell AFB KS) calls McGuire CP...20 minutes out, have 6 crew and 3 crew chiefs, no pax or cargo...will need about 12K fuel for the mission tomorrow...319.4
1444: KANZA 91 w/ACY Approach descending to 7000 feet for the approach to McGuire...124.6
1444: SALTY DOG 205 (T-45C, 163635, NAS Patuxent) with ZDC-Calvert for descent to Pax...281.4
1446: SD 205 handed off to Patuxent Advisory and continues his descent...281.8
1450: VENUS 94 announces he's finally going to go around and then do a full stop landing...118.4/119.3
1455: WORLD Airways 8003 (Flight WOA8003, DC-10, N303WL) to Dover CP announces arrival with 3 crew...134.1 (Departed ETAR - Ramstein AB Germany - at 0722 this morning)

1504: JOSA 273 (C-21A, 84-0131, 457th AS Andrews) to Griffin Command at Andrews...in the blocks at 2030Z, A-1, no pax, mission terminates upon landing, need crew trans to Building 1420...378.1
1516: JOSA 495 to Griffin Command to report takeoff at 1935Z...378.1 (Well..that only took him 41 minutes to report.)
1517: U/I fighters on interflight freq but very weak...141.5 (Getting louder as they get closer....sounds like the usual A-10 transmitters but not close enough yet to know for sure)
1519: Same guys from 141.5 with ZDC-Casanova...282.2 (Weak here also)
1522: NJ-ANG F-16s from Atlantic City active on interflight freq...138.425
1529: Guys from 141.5 interflight are now calling TRACON on 257.2...sounded like BOXCAR or HOTCAR 1 reporting at 6000 feet...it's a flight of two and both tried calling TRACON and neither got a response.
1532: So...they switch to TRACON on 322.3 and get a response....now at 4000 feet...going to call it HOTCAR 1
1533: HOTCAR 1 handed to TRACON and check in...course 120...270.275
1535: HOTCAR 1 says they are right at the ragged edge (of the wx) at 2500 feet so request lower...cleared to 1700...270.275
They've been chatting up a storm on interflight 141.5 but haven't used their callsigns on that freq.
1537: HOTCAR 1 to Andrews Tower and request straight in approach for both of them...349.0
1538: HOTCAR reports gear down...349.0 (It sounds more like HOCKER than HOT CAR as they got closer but neither computes in my database)

And I'm about logged out for now. Back sometime later.

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C5's of 167th WV-ANG at Martinsburg
1339 local - Still on the ramp is 70-0462 which has been there since July. Back from Westover is 70-0463 along with new (to me) t/n 69-0027 (ex-Westover). Haven't had 90027 there before.

Brian, that 70-0463 just returned from Europe on 11/7 as a REACH 682 mission. The 69-0027 I haven't noted flying since 10/24 as DECOY 17. And, as you noted, 70-0462 has been stuck on the ramp since July. Last log I have for him flying is July 20th.

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[Mark]

Ref above.. Had HOTCAR 1 a couple weeks ago into Dover.I think it is T-38 but not sure.

ASCOT 7048 with McGuire metro 239.800 at 2115z req wx at KLFI Langley AFB.
On pirep report self id as E-3D at fl 36k,temp -53C.
Maybe in town to work with some Langley F-22's in offshore areas
seeing the F-15's may still be grounded.

At same time EVAC 33116 C-17 arriving Andrews abround 2130z.

MOON 30 with McGuire metro req wx at KBED Hanscom and also
on McGuire CP 319.400 with ppr to Hanscom that MOON 30 and MOON 32
are inbound 45 minutes out.
Guessing T-1's from Columbus Miss.

Mark

 

[Mark]

In regards to UH-72A Choppers the Army and US govt is buying we talked about
here a few weeks back..

Army says new disaster-relief helicopter isn't safe to fly on hot days

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - Hundreds of European-designed helicopters for homeland security and disaster relief apparently shouldn't be used on hot days.
An internal report obtained by The Associated Press shows the Army is spending more than two and a-half billion dollars on the helicopters.

During flight tests in Southern California, cockpit temperatures soared above 104 degrees, the point at which the Army says the communication, navigation and flight control systems can overheat and shut down.
The reports says no cockpit equipment failed during the nearly 23 hours of testing, but it concluded that the aircraft "is not effective for use in hot environments."

The Army tells the AP that to fix the cockpit overheating problem, it will take the highly unusual step of adding air conditioners to many of the 322 helicopters ordered.
It did not say how much the retrofitting will cost and who will bear the expense..

 

[CitationJet]

Re: HOTCAR 1

Hi guys,

See message #2558 in the original Sticky Thread for MilAir for HOTCAR 1, should be a T-38C out of the 50th FTS/14th FTW Columbus AFB.

Best regards,

Tony

Ref above.. Had HOTCAR 1 a couple weeks ago into Dover.I think it is T-38 but not sure.

 

[Mark]

Today's online paper..
DAFB to become primary cargo departure point
By JEFF MONTGOMERY, The News Journal
Posted Thursday, November 8, 2007 at 9:20 am

An already busy Dover Air Force Base has gained an expanded role in hauling cargo to Iraq, Afghanistan and southwest Asia, under a "rebalancing" plan just announced by the military’s Air Mobility Command.

Under the change, most cargo for the war-torn region will move through Dover and the McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey instead of Charleston Air Force Base in South Carolina after Jan. 1.

Air Force officials said the new arrangement will cut 18 to 24 hours of cargo travel time by eliminating a practice of bypassing Dover and McGuire when commercial trucks haul defense goods to the traditional departure point at Charleston.

Planes from bases in Delaware and New Jersey now routinely fly to South Carolina to pick up the goods before continuing on to war zones or nearby bases. In addition to time, more than $40 million could be saved each year, officials estimated, by cutting out the extra step and making Dover a primary departure point.

Not to beat a dead horse but I didn't realize how much cargo was trucked from Northeast areas down to KCHS.
One online news article I just read which has now suddenly disappeared said most cargo comes from Central Pennsylvania.
I always figured most defense suppliers were down South....

Mark

Here is clip from Myrtle Beach paper..

CHARLESTON
Air Force to cut base out of supply route

The Air Force says it will no longer truck military supplies from Northeastern manufacturers to Charleston Air Force Base, where it was then flown to U.S. forces in the Middle East. Instead, Air Force Bases in Dover, Del., and McGuire, N.J., will fly that cargo to the region.
The Air Force says the switch will save about $40 million every year.

 

[BM82557]

Belgian Air Force to ADW

Re Tin's post the other day:

1222: Belgian Air Force...BAF 638, C-130H, tail CH-08, 20 Squadron...calling Andrews Command Post...x2, no joy...141.55 (Still calling at 1230 and still no joy)
1400: Belgian Air Force 638 (see above for ID) departs Andrews...TRACON (only stayed at ADW for about an hour)


Even before I started posting at RR (my records go back two years) I had noted that the Belgian Air Force regularly visit Andrews. Any idea on why?

Thanks

Brian

 

[TinEar]

Re Tin's post the other day:

1222: Belgian Air Force...BAF 638, C-130H, tail CH-08, 20 Squadron...calling Andrews Command Post...x2, no joy...141.55 (Still calling at 1230 and still no joy)
1400: Belgian Air Force 638 (see above for ID) departs Andrews...TRACON (only stayed at ADW for about an hour)


Even before I started posting at RR (my records go back two years) I had noted that the Belgian Air Force regularly visit Andrews. Any idea on why?

Thanks

Brian

My best guess would be supply missions for the embassy and any other government run functions they may have within this country. That should be the reason we see so many foreign flagged military (and some civilian) aircraft arriving at area airports. Diplomatic materials are not put on commercial aircraft and sent on their way. They should want to be in control of it every step from origin to destination.

And speaking of which....
1032: Belgian Air Force...BAF 635, C-130H, tail CH-10, 20 Squadron in the area...TRACON (Didn't land here...kept heading west)
1343: BAF 638 (C-130H, tail CH-08) back into the area from the west. He stopped again at Andrews for about an hour and then was on his way. It appears he's heading home.
1806: BAF 635 is coming in again now from the west.

Yesterday afternoon, German Chancellor Angela Merkel's Air Force plane came through. It was an A-310, tail 10+22 on its way to Crawford TX. It followed a more northern route and didn't come directly overhead this area. Callsign was GAF 863. At the end of this month we'll see lots of heads-of-state aircraft coming in for the Middle East Peace Conference to be held in Annapolis. I would guess they'll come into Andrews for security reasons even though BWI would be a bit easier/closer. I haven't heard an official start date but scuttlebutt has it starting on the 25th of the month.

1300: E-6B, 164407, VQ-4 off the deck at Patuxent heading south...310.15
Doing the normal...about 30 nautical miles south of Pax he makes a big sweeping turn to the west as he climbs to altitude and heads toward Gordonsville on course 280. Got to FL 280. At Gordonsville, he turns to the southwest at 230 degrees.
1419: Well lookee here...a mil aircraft...MARINE 200 (C-20D, 163692, VR-1) with ADW Tower...11 miles out for landing...118.4
1420: REACH 8266 (C-17A, 88-0266, 437th AW Charleston) overhead the area at FL 300...ZDC VHF

Today has been a nothing-burger of a MilAir day.

 

[BM82557]

Re above, thanks for the info Alan.

1151 local - copied chatter between Martinsburg tower and 167th WV-ANG security indicating that two more C5's are due in today. The first is expected around 1300 local with the second 2 hours later.

 

[Mark]

BAF-635 C-130 inbound Dover at 1825 local right on time CP 349.400 and appch 132.425 and also according to flightaware from KBAD Barksdale.
I wonder why BAF flights are never blocked in flightaware?
Almost every other Mil types are..

Mark

 

[freqhopping]

DRAGO-51 cleared to PAX. 281.4

About 30 minutes ago I heard a callsign that sounded similar to VENUS-21 with ZDC-Brooke heading to Teterboro.

 

[TinEar]

1220: DRAGO 51, flight of four F-16s, off the deck at Andrews on 143.6 interflight, 348.725 TRACON for climbout, over to ZDC-Calvert 281.4 as they head for Patuxent. Apparently, they'll do some practice work at Pax before doing a flyby. These are DC-ANG birds. Over to Patuxent 354.8 at 1225.
They seem to be practicing flight maneuvers such as they'd do for a flyby while in the Pax area.
1238: DRAGO 51 reporting 5 minutes until RTB, requesting tunnel Andrews...354.8
1246: DRAGO 51 attempting to call Patuxent Approach but no joy...281.8
1247: One of the DRAGO flight is with DRAGO 2, the ground controller, but is very weak from here....279.575
1248: DRAGO 54 calls Pax and asks for clearance into the ADIZ....281.8
1249: DRAGO flight handed to TRACON and checks in...will fly south of Nottingham on 15 mile legs...then says they want to hold 7-8 miles east of the stadium (FedEx)...will hold at 2000 feet and do a north-south run...335.5
1255: DRAGO flight leader says they'll "push" in about 90 seconds (to the stadium)...335.5/143.6
1256: DRAGO flight leader says he recommends they push 124.0 (the VHF side of the pair with 279.575)...143.6
1258: DRAGO 51 reports in the descent...335.5
1259: DRAGO flight leader says "go with burner in 3-2-1-NOW!"...143.6
1300: DRAGO 51 flight climbing to 3000...finished the flyby...335.5
1303: DRAGO 51 visual Andrews...335.5
1303: DRAGO 51 flight over to ADW Tower reporting 10 miles to the east for runay 19R...cleared to land...118.4
1307: Four DRAGO F-16s touch down at ADW...349.0

1254: There's another fighter flight working ZDC-Brooke 327.0 but I didn't catch the callsign...suffix is 11. Flight handed to ZDC-DuPont 307.25 and checks in at FL 240
1308: Same flight is handed off to 319.15 (Philadelphia TRACON) and checks in there...I keep missing the callsign though.

1255: E-6B, 164407, VQ-4 climbing out of Patuxent...310.15

1306: EVAC 0412 (C-130H, 86-0412, 758th AS Pittsburgh) 15 minutes out from ADW, no fuel, no download, transportation needed for 8...378.1
1322: EVAC 60412 to ADW Tower 6.5 miles out for landing runway 19R...118.4

1233: Flight VDA 4309 (Russian Federation AN-124, tail RA-82078) flying overhead at FL 320. He's on his way from LBBG (Burgas, Bulgaria) to KCHS (Charleston AFB SC). Now, what in the world is it going there for?

Ref Above: VENUS 23 was up (C-20B, 86-0203)

 

[freqhopping]

HUNTRESS directing BLACKJACK-01 to a target on 139.7 Mission is to ID type and tail.
New mission is RTB. Skip it. Aircraft now identified.

BLACKJACK-01 says they will stay up for training, they were planning on going out anyways.
1827- BLACKJACK-01 will be heading to Manassas, something to do with that target.

1830- HUNTRESS provides the tail number to them. N-3289Q Cherokee 28, pilot reported mechanical problems.

 

[JohnFB]

ASCOT 7048 with McGuire metro 239.800 at 2115z req wx at KLFI Langley AFB.
On pirep report self id as E-3D at fl 36k,temp -53C.
Maybe in town to work with some Langley F-22's in offshore areas
seeing the F-15's may still be grounded.

Mark, I caught him too ..... wanted WX for Savannah & Charleston as well .... eventually headed direct Kinston [ISO].