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Tac is preset V12 -139.925

0931- Target of interest heading SW. ALERT-1 is 'hawking' above him and the target is maintaining a steady course.
0933- Switching to 126.1 (Potomac TRACON 331-090)
0935- Plane is described as a Bonanza V-tail with a red stripe. Tail number N-7925R, comes back as a Beech V35A. Flight aware shows an itinerary of: Depart-Taunton Municipal Airport (Taunton, MA) [KTAN] Fri 07:36AM EST Destination: Smith Reynolds (KINT) Winston-Salem, NC Fri 11:10AM EST
0939- Returned to the CAP

I caught "Harrier 1" as the chase helo, but was never able to lock in a frequency for him. Any suggestions? I am running two scanners, so I can search with one of them.

*Also, I heard yesterday around 2pm, one of the Pitman pilots tell Huntress she would be on 140.7000 if they needed them.

Paul

11:00 Pittman 46 - Tail 90826
12:15 Unknown Pitt - Tail 94046
 
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That's a nice catch on the HARRIER 1 freq nightwatch. I've never run across that one in the past. Thank you.

I'm also told the first PITMAN crew (45/46) this morning had some words for us here on this thread. Sorry I missed it but 6 a.m. doesn't exist for me. I would have at least typed a reply had I been here.

CAP still up with PITMAN 53/54. Primary 260.9, the interflight for this pair is 140.375 and I guess the boom freq is still 228.9 but haven't heard them refuel yet to prove that one. HUNTRESS is coming in weak.
1658: PITMAN 54 just sent after a TOI by HUNTRESS...260.9....PITMAN 54 changes callsign to ALERT 1.
1659: PITMAN 53 goes to Guard Dog to get clearance to exit the CAP to chase the target. TOI is at 7000 feet. They are in the northern part of the CAP right now.

1700: PITMAN flight cleared down to only 16,000 feet....135.525/260.9
1701: PITMAN 54 asking for BRA to the target...gets it from HUNTRESS...260.9
1702: HARRIER is also on the freq with the PITMAN pair and HUNTRESS but I can't hear the helo...260.9
1702: PITMAN 53 asking permission to descend down to the deck...135.525
1703: PITMAN 54 has the TOI in his sights....260.9...mission is to headbutt the TOI.
1705: PITMAN 54 reports returning to the CAP...135.525...PITMAN 53 is now down low with the TOI.
At very low altitude I can hear PITMAN 53 and HUNTRESS on my Icom R8500 but can't hear either on a BC785 or BC780.
At first, I thought this may be a practice intercept with HARRIER as the TOI but it's looking like the real thing now. They are escorting the TOI to an airfield but I couldn't pick out the names. They are now just too low and far from my antenna to get good copy. I can hear them talking but that's about it.
1712: Looks like they've escorted the TOI to the airfield with HARRIER going to the ground...ALERT 1 (PITMAN 53) is asking if he should return to the CAP.
1717: PITMAN 53 relays for HARRIER that he wants to RTB...260.9
1717: The TOI was a Cessna 172 per PITMAN 53 and here's the info based on the target's tail number....
N-number : N1413V
Aircraft Serial Number : R1722187
Aircraft Manufacturer : CESSNA
Model : R172K
Engine Manufacturer : CONT MOTOR
Model : IO-360 SER
Aircraft Year : 1976
Owner Name : COND0R AERO CLUB INC
Owner Address : PO BOX 143
ZELIENOPLE, PA, 16063-0143
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 02-Oct-1997
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Normal

1718: PITMAN 53 back in the CAP...135.525
1718: HUNTRESS talking directly to HARRIER but I still can't hear the helo...260.9
I never heard anything on the 385.0 freq either. Anyone get copy on that freq?
1725: PITMAN 54 reports back in the CAP...260.9
1726: The KC-135 on station is TANKER 9...requesting to go to FL 240 as the base for AR in Guard Dog...260.9 He repeats that on 135.525
1728: The PITMAN pair goes back to interflight preset V-10 which is the 140.375 freq. For some reason, I had V-10 on my list as 140.325 for the 77th FS but it's now corrected. They agree that intercept was pretty exciting. Said about the time he went to headbutt the target, it landed at a small airstrip. They're going for gas now. Oh...53 also mentioned that he was going to "light it up" (afterburner I guess) but since he was right over Camp David, he decided that wasn't a good idea.
1731: PITMAN 53/54 mention using the tanker for "red air" and the two fighters can do an intercept against him. Then they decide that's not such a good idea because word might get back.
(It just did...but they weren't really serious Colonel _____:))...140.375
1732: TANKER 9 and the fighters on 228.9 for a boom freq.
1739: PITMAN 53 completes his refueling...228.9
1743: HUNTRESS asking for an explanation from the PITMAN flight leader why they swapped positions and why both went down low after the target. He explains and it revolves around the slow speed of the target....260.9
1745: The PITMAN pair is about to start a practice intercept...one is north, one south in the CAP area. They are simulating a DARKSTAR AWACS controlled intercept....140.375

1800: PITMAN 53/54 still in practice TI/ACM activity...mention just one more hour left...140.375
So, we'll have the last pair for the evening coming in shortly before 1900 local. Works out just right for a four hour shift.

Time to grab some dinner...back later for the changeover to the next fighter pair.

Ref below: Thanks nightwatch. I'll look forward to hearing what our pilots had to say this morning. And thanks to the guys in the UK listening in there and reading here.
 
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It will be front page news tommorrow in The Frederick News Post.
 
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171.725 reports a lost dog run up into camp david 540pm we are feeding the cap and get the ground side of huntress,on teamspeak2 ip is 71.58.243.103 for anyone who wants to hear huntress ,thanks the guys in the uk did vox tape this am cap opening so ill pass it along to you.
 

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11/24/2006 Logs

11-24-2006 Logs
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2253z/ REACH 0328 (Heavy)
.. 118.675 [PCT-APP/DEP] < 120.65 [KZDC-Linden] < 133.275 [KZDC-Moorefield] < ..

2301z/ VENUS 41
.. 120.65 [KZDC-Linden] < 133.275 [KZDC-Moorefield] (chk in @ FL270) < 119.525 [KZID-Charleston-High]
 
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1835: And here come the replacements, PITMAN 55/56...currently with ZDC-Irons 360.85 and on interflight 139.925 (I believe...just heard a single word at the end of a transmission on 139.925)
1837: PITMAN 55/56 handed to Guard Dog 288.35 where they check in.
1837: PITMAN 53/54 refueled a few minutes ago and got in a fighting wing formation to get ready to return home.
1839: PITMAN 55/56 seem confused about which freqs they're on (or maybe it's me that's confused when several radios start squawking all at once)...anyway, they go to 135.525
1840: PITMAN 55/56 check in with HUNTRESS...260.9
1841; PITMAN 55 does his alpha check on the datalink...has Thurmont at 39.5 miles...260.9
1842: PITMAN picks up a separate squawk for his wingman....135.525
1842: TANKER 10 checking in at FL 250 with HUNTRESS....260.9
1843: PITMAN 55/56, TANKER 9/10 swapping squawks...trying to decide who should refuel the new fighter pair...looks like TANKER 9 will offload some fuel if they can do it in a hurry...260.9...they agree the boom freq should stay as 228.9 and switch over there.
By the way, when PITMAN 53/54 did their last refueling, they strictly used the boom intercom so no comms were heard during refueling other than the "leaving your freq" message at the end.
1846: PITMAN 55 cleared to the boom of TANKER 09...228.9 (These single digit TANKER suffixes alternately use 9 or 09 for voice comms...on their flight plan it reads TANKR09.)
1852: PITMAN 55 calls 53 "on your victor" to see if 53 has any words for him...he doesn't other than to say one fighter must remain in the north....140.375
1852: PITMAN 55 tells HUNTRESS he's off the tanker and in the CAP, 56 still on the boom...260.9...PITMAN 53/54 relieved of duty and change to 288.35 for clearance back to Shaw.
1854: TANKER 10 checks in at FL 250 with Guard Dog...135.525
1855: PITMAN 53/54 cleared direct OTT, direct Shaw...288.35
1855: TANKER 09 gets his clearance back home to Pittsburgh via Indianhead...135.525
1856: TANKER 10 reports on station at FL 240 to HUNTRESS...260.9
1857: TANKER 09 reports exiting the CAP from the northwest at FL 240...260.9
1859: HUNTRESS asks PITMAN 53 for Codes and fuel but they've already left the freq (260.9) so 55 goes to their victor 140.375 to ask...PITMAN 53 is Code 2 for 4 minor writeups including datalink, 54 is also Code 2 and both have plenty of gas to get home - 9300 pounds....PITMAN 55 goes back to HUNTRESS to report that info on 260.9 (PITMAN 53's four writeups are for his Blanker, FRD, MFD and datalink, PITMAN 54 is Code 2 for station 9.)

1902: PITMAN 53/54 handed off to ZDC-Calvert 281.4 where they check in in non-standard formation at FL 210 and 220
1906: PITMAN 53/54 handed off to ZDC-Irons 360.85 where they check in with the same message as above.
1907: PITMAN 55 asks Guard Dog if they can have TANKER 10 monitor 135.525 so they can go to a discrete Victor freq. Not sure what they're told but he was surprised at the answer.
By the way, the ZDC-Swann controller is not in control of the Guard Dog freqs (135.525/288.35) freqs as he often is which allows me to hear the ground controller during those transmissions since Swann transmits from BWI. When they consolidate freqs at night, there is no telling who gets control of various freqs. Well, no telling for me but no doubt they know who has what.
1910: PITMAN 55/56 aren't having any luck with their datalink tonight...they are setting it up for their personal use to be able to see each other (Zulu +10). And they are staying on 135.525 to chat which might have been the answer that surprised them earlier when they asked about TANKER 10 monitoring this freq for them. Guess they don't need privacy for their chat.
1912: PITMAN 53/54 handed off to ZDC-Blackstone 235.625 (Flight leader checks in here but not his wingman)
1914: PITMAN 53/54 still chatting on V-10 140.375 on their way home.
1915: HUNTRESS wants PITMAN 55/56 to try coming up on the "Zulu Net" on their datalink...they'll give it a try...260.9
1918: No luck so far...HUNTRESS is giving them a Zulu time hack for them to set the datalink...260.9
1920: PITMAN 55 reports it's still "timber sour" for the datalink...260.9 (55/56 go back to 135.525 for more chat about the datalink problems)
I'm really surprised they are staying on this freq for chat. I've never seen it happen before. But it allows them to both chat and monitor Guard Dog as they are required to do and still use up just one radio. The other radio is with HUNTRESS on the 260.9 freq.
1925: PITMAN 56 decides he should go back to the tanker now...135.525...He reports that to HUNTRESS on 260.9
1925: PITMAN 56 to TANKER 10 on boom freq 228.9...tanker is at FL 240...56 reports nose cold (radar turned off)
1926: TANKER 10 gets permission from HUNTRESS to conduct AR operations with PITMAN...260.9 (that's another first...never heard them do this before)
1929: PITMAN 56 and TANKER 10 chat about the type orbit or flight path they'll follow for the AR...TANKER 10 says they have carte blanche to do whatever they want or need...228.9
1933: PITMAN 55 reports he's still timber sour on the datalink...260.9
1934: TANKER 10 tells PITMAN 56 no contact on the boom intercom...stick with the radio...tail number for PITMAN 56 is 94-0040 and confirms he's from Shaw....TANKER 10 says he's from Pease NH...they agree on a topoff...228.9
1937: PITMAN 56 completes his refueling and reports back in the CAP to HUNTRESS...260.9
1954: PITMAN 55 tells HUNTRESS he's going to the boom freq...260.9
1954: PITMAN 55 meets up with TANKER 10 on 228.9 and 10 tells 55 this will be with autopilot off.
1958: TANKER 10 clears PITMAN 55 to contact the boom...228.9

2002: PITMAN 55 reports leaving the boom freq...228.9 (Again, they must have used the boom intercom for comms since nothing was said since the fighter was cleared to join the boom until his "leaving" message)
2003: PITMAN 55 reports back on station to HUNTRESS...260.9
2007: PITMAN 55/56 decide to go back to "Zulu +10" time setting on their Link 16s so they have contact with their own flights at least...135.525
2014: PITMAN 55/56 still chatting about their datalink...56 got his working but 55 hasn't. They're still not on the primary net with HUNTRESS - just on their private net...55 discovered he didn't have the correct Zulu +10 time entered in his datalink so is trying it again with the right time entered...135.525
the 135.525 freq has what sounds like someone keying a mic over and over again. It's making me nuts. It's not coming from the fighters and has been going on for the past hour or so.
If you want to learn more about their datalink (Link 16), just google "Link 16 military" and you'll find a wealth of information about the system.
2030: PITMAN 55 points out what he believes is the Washington Monument "unless there's some other phallic looking monument down there."...135.525
2058: PITMAN 56 refueling again with TANKER 10...228.9

2128: PITMAN 55 tells HUNTRESS he's going to the tanker and says PITMAN 56 is having some troubles with his radar (a couple of minutes ago reported "bent gadget" on 135.525)...260.9
2129: TANKER 10 and PITMAN 55 make contact on boom freq...228.9
2136: PITMAN 55 disconnects from the boom after taking on 6500 pounds of fuel...228.9
2145: There's at least one other military aircraft flying tonight....REACH 2006 calls Dover Command Post with arrival message...20 minutes out, no pax, no cargo, no rolling stock. He's there for an upload only...349.4
2156: PITMAN 56 heading for the tanker to refuel...228.9 (TANKER 10 asked him if he's looking for fuel. What else would he be looking for?)
2156: REACH 9020 reports off the deck at 2155 to Dover CP...349.4
2147: REACH 2006 says he's expecting as part of his upload 4 U.S. Marshalls and asks if that's correct...349.4

2203: PITMAN 56 done refueling and back in the CAP...228.9/260.9
2224: Thought I heard HUNTRESS calling BLACKJACK 01 several minutes ago on 260.9. Now I'm hearing a helo on 139.7 which is probably BLACKJACK 01. He's a bit weak from here (read: uncopiable). Sounds like there are two helos involved in whatever activity they're performing.
2233: Hearing one of the helos on 139.7 say he's terminating and asking the other if he's ready to head back.
2234: Confirm it's BLACKJACK 1 calling HUNTRESS on 139.7...saying he's RTBing and will be back up in about 15 minutes
With less than 30 minutes left in the CAP for tonight, the PITMAN 55/56 pair has not used one of their presets for interflight chat. They've stayed on the 135.525 freq throughout the mission.
2243: TANKER 10 asking HUNTRESS if they should expect anymore activity and ask about working their clearance home...HUNTRESS tells him he's done and go get his clearance...260.9
2244: TANKER 10 to Guard Dog on 135.525 to say he's ready to RTB...asks for clearance direct PSM (Pease) at FL 310
2245: TANKER 10 back to HUNTRESS to report he's got his clearance and asks if he can leave. HUNTRESS tells him to stay where he is and wait until he gives him a release. 10 acknowledges...260.9
2247: TANKER 10 is released...goes to Guard Dog 135.525 to clear out and is handed off to ZDC-Woodstown 125.45 to begin his trip...he clears out of FL 240 and heads for 310.
2248: PITMAN 55 reports 7200 and 56 rreports 8800 pounds of fuel remaining...135.525
2248: TANKER 10 tells HUNTRESS he's heading northbound at this time...260.9...and asks HUNTRESS to repeat that he's released at this time...he's told to RTB
2250: REACH 3861 to Andrews Command Post with arrival message...due in at 15 past the hour, is A-1 and has no pax or cargo...378.1
2252: HUNTRESS tells PITMAN 55 to form up and to begin working his clearance...260.9
2252: PITMAN 55/56 get in fighting wing formation...go to Guard Dog 135.525 to request clearance back to Shaw effective in about 5 minutes
2255: PITMAN 55/56 report Code 1...135.525...then go to HUNTRESS on 260.9 to report both ships Code 1 and low man has 6700 pounds of fuel...says they're awaiting his release.
2256: HUNTRESS clears PITMAN 55/56 to RTB...260.9
2256: PITMAN 55 asks Guard Dog for clearance to Shaw...288.35 and then to correct freq 135.525...cleared direct Shaw at FL 240
2258: GUard Dog sends PITMAN 55/56 to 288.35 where they check in at FL 240
2259: PITMAN 55 tells 56 to change to Victor-12...288.35 (Haven't come up yet but expect 139.925)
2259: PITMAN 55/56 handed to ZDC-Montebello 284.7 where they check in at FL 240

2300: PITMAN 55/56 do come up on V-12 139.925 (I guess that single word I heard on this freq as they came on duty earlier tonight was valid as their "Mission Victor" freq.) They speak a few words to each other and then go quiet as they fly out of the area. Turning it over to you early birds for 6 a.m. restart.
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11-26-2006 Log.

11-26-2006
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1259z/ JOSA 947; "Is everyone getting through or are they using CAT 3"
.. 128.35 (PCT APP)

~1300z/ MARINE 204; checking in with Potomac TRACON
.. due to freq. simulcasting, I couldn't determine which freq. he was using.


slow this morning (VHF) ....
 
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Slow day for me (VHF) mil

One Potomac TRACON controller working 5+ frequencies. They just
switched or added another controller as of 1344z.

Freqs were 119.3, 119.85, 124.2, 124.7, 128.35 * All simulcast on the ATC side *

The reason I realized this was because I heard TRACON address ARMY 204 in the early 1300 hours and thus scanned all PCT freqs in my bank but could not find him.

cheers,

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TinEar said:
Turning it over to you early birds for 6 a.m. restart.
THE END

Nov. 25

Monitoring CAP on 260.9/228.9

Sorry I wasn't recording or taking detailed notes. Report won't be as detailed as from TinEar and will be somewhat anecdotal.

Pitman 25/26

~1330z Picked up a TOI at 6100ft. "Looks like a Piper" following the ridgeline.

71 ready for tail
N924DD
Landing Frederick

1332z "Honcho" ? changed TOI to Eastern Regional
1333z Pitman 25/26
1337z Honcho ITB Pitman 26

Last words for N924DD? No Sir.

Anyhow, followed communications from N924DD who was ordered to contact Washington ARTCC on 126.1 , contact with Eastern Regional ( Eastern WV Regional Airport/Shepherd Field Martinsburg, West Virginia, USA ) 122.95 Unicom handed to 124.3 CTAF for final approach.

Details for N924DD:
2004 CIRRUS DESIGN CORP SR20
Fixed wing single engine
(4 seats / 1 engine) MEWSEC SERVICES LLC
HOUSTON, TX
(Corporation) Standard/Normal 1443
Aircraft Details
Engine Weight Speed Mode S Code
CONT MOTOR IO-360 SER
Horsepower: 300 (Reciprocating) Less than 12,500lbs Not defined 53146525

Last Flight in FlightAware is from Buffalo NY to York PA July 30, 2006
 

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dehm said:
One Potomac TRACON controller working 5+ frequencies. They just
switched or added another controller as of 1344z.

Freqs were 119.3, 119.85, 124.2, 124.7, 128.35 * All simulcast on the ATC side *

The reason I realized this was because I heard TRACON address ARMY 204 in the early 1300 hours and thus scanned all PCT freqs in my bank but could not find him.

cheers,

jay

Very llikely the ARMY unit was actually on the UHF side, and the call was repeated on VHF to keep everyone in the loop with the traffic in the area. That would be particularly important today, when many folks are rushing to get home after the holiday.

We have the UHF freqs for the TRACON here, as well, I'm sure, as in the database...

http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Potomac_Consolidated_Terminal_Radar_Approach_Control

73s Mike
 

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mwellermd said:
Nov. 25

Monitoring CAP on 260.9/228.9
Sorry I wasn't recording or taking detailed notes. Report won't be as detailed as from TinEar and will be somewhat anecdotal.

Pitman 25/26
~1330z Picked up a TOI at 6100ft. "Looks like a Piper" following the ridgeline.
71 ready for tail
N924DD
Landing Frederick
1332z "Honcho" ? changed TOI to Eastern Regional
1333z Pitman 25/26
1337z Honcho ITB Pitman 26
Last words for N924DD? No Sir.

Anyhow, followed communications from N924DD who was ordered to contact Washington ARTCC on 126.1 , contact with Eastern Regional ( Eastern WV Regional Airport/Shepherd Field Martinsburg, West Virginia, USA ) 122.95 Unicom handed to 124.3 CTAF for final approach.

Nice catch on that intercept mwellermd and welcome to the thread. Looks like it happened just before the CAP was due to finish. It gave them something to talk about on the way home I'm sure.

It's good to see a new "voice" here. I saw your signon name and immediately thought Doctor M. Weller rather than what you probably must mean. But we'll call you "Doc" if it fits. Hope to see more posts from you.

Alan
 

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TinEar said:
It's good to see a new "voice" here. I saw your signon name and immediately thought Doctor M. Weller rather than what you probably must mean. But we'll call you "Doc" if it fits. Hope to see more posts from you.

Alan

Thanks for the welcome. My signon name is misleading, I'm not a doctor. The MD, as you suspect, is for Maryland. Glad I could contribute something rather than just being a passive observer.

Mark
 

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Excellent Mark. Good to have you with us. Where are you located - just generally if you don't wish to give a city?

I think the reason "Doc" popped into my mind when I originally saw your name was that I used to have that nickname for a few years. Friends would joke around and put the MD after my name. Story time........It happened in Germany after I delivered a baby for a friend's wife in the back seat of a Volkswagen Beetle during a blizzard when they couldn't make it to the hospital.
 

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Added my location to my signature, but to save you the time of looking, I'm in the general location of Ijamsville Maryland. Approx. 10 miles southeast of Frederick. Great story BTW.
 

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Thanks Mark. I'll remember your location when something happens that you might be better positioned to cover than some of the rest of us.

On another note, I've been wanting to see what the Icom IC-R2500 can do on the MilAir bands. I've read lots of excellent reviews of that radio but not in conjunction with MilAir comms. The reason I've passed up that receiver in the past was because of the gaps in the 225-400 mHz band on the U.S. version. For some reason there were several 2-3 meg gaps. Anyway, I've now managed to purchase one of the Japanese versions that has no gaps at all. I'm looking forward to giving it a good test. A radio with two receivers and the ability for diversity reception from two antennas on a single frequency greatly interests me.

I have one problem though. As mentioned, I bought the Japanese version. The operations manual is in Japanese. There is an IcomAmerica website that has the pdf English version for download but the manual is 80 pages long.
http://www.icomamerica.com/support/manuals/ic-r2500_manual.pdf
My printer just won't handle it - maybe because it doesn't have enough memory. I need to print that manual somehow. Anyone have an idea where I could go to have it printed? Do the commercial outfits like Kinko's or any of the office supply stores do things like that? Suggestions welcomed.
 

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1337Z 378.100 SAM CP Andrews - VENUS 22 () - req help contacting Metro - cannot raise them on 344.6.
1338Z 344.600 Andrews AFB Metro = VENUS 22 () - clg Andrews Metro here no joy.
1340Z 378.100 SAM CP Andrews - VENUS 22 () - back again req current KDOV wx.
1342Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - ARMY 01053 (UC-35C 00-1053) - deps ADW QSY Potomac - never heard further.
1348Z 378.100 GRIFFIN CP Andrews - JOSA 369 (C-21A 84-0117) - dep ADW 1343Z for PHF tail #117.

1418Z 119.300 Potomac APP - VENUS 40 - 1500' for 2000' conducting apps.
 
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Thanks for posting!!!

I'd like to thank everyone who posts here. I'm new to milair monitoring and if it wasn't for the info here and in the combat air patrol wiki I wouldn't have heard too much during the Thanksgiving cap. As it was I copied just about everything from beginning to end. I'm only about 33 miles SW of the area so I had pretty good reception.

Thanks again!!
 
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