Sticky Thread for MilAir II

[TinEar]

The link I posted this time is actually different than the link I posted previously. The link I found tonight actually has maps with sector names and frequency assignments (although likely partly outdated) on the same graphic. That is what we were missing before. The other link I had previously posted only had maps showing the dividing lines for the sectors and areas, but they had no frequency data on them.

And here's the one for New York Center:
http://web.nbaa.org/public/ops/airspace/ZNY_LTA0601.pdf

Ben, maybe I'm mistaken that we talked about that ZOB map on this thread. Perhaps it was on another board where I had a discussion about these same maps with Sector names/freqs. In any case, it's what I used to label the ZOB freqs I have programmed. No matter...it's a beautiful find and link you posted to get that Center in order like the others surrounding us. I wish all the Centers would publish those LTAs and keep them up to date.

 

[Mark]

Thanks for the ZNY link Tin!
I can really tie up some of these freqs I already have and some I don't.
That Millville high freq of 323.300 I have never heard used though have programmed for long time.
Millville is oddball overlap sector.ZNY has high but ZDC has low.

Mark

 

[TinEar]

Thanks for the ZNY link Tin!
I can really tie up some of these freqs I already have and some I don't.
That Millville high freq of 323.300 I have never heard used though have programmed for long time.
Millville is oddball overlap sector.ZNY has high but ZDC has low.

Mark

Glad to be of help. I guess this would be a good time to mention those new New York Center freqs I've found but can't assign to a Sector yet. They are:

285.65
292.15
327.6
336.075 (This one could be ZNY or ZOB)

The 292.15 freq has been heard often as aircraft fly north toward New York/New England from this area. It has been a handoff from a ZDC freq.

 

[TinEar]

Seems to be a good bit of traffic this morning on the MilAir bands around 1000. Martin State A-10s up on interflight 142.3...lots of Langley flights to the offshore areas with Giant Killer, mostly on 249.8 and with Norfolk TRACON 370.925 coming and going (DRAGON 71, MAD DOG 91 among the flights and haven't heard those two callsigns used by Langley fighters for a long time.) Several TEAM KC-10A tankers from McGuire are yakking on various freqs - including TEAM 30 who has a problem, is returning to McGuire and told the CP on 319.4 to notify his scheduled receivers he isn't going to make it to the IP. Conditions are noisy across the bands today from my area.

1030: Bollen Range active...237.2...pilot says he hasn't been to this range in about 8 months so is going to do a tour around the range before beginning his activity.
1030: Fighters on Harrisburg App/Dep...281.525
1035: U/I aircraft with Norfolk TRACON 370.925 handed off to freq 266.8 where he says he's direct Oceana. The 266.8 freq is listed by Airnav for NAS Oceana Approach and radar at Norfolk International Airport.
1043: The fighter at Bollen Range is a RAVEN A-10 from Warfield ANGB (MTN)...he's talking with BALKY, the range controller...237.2
1046: RAVEN asking BALKY for the active runway at MDT (Harrisburg). Says he's going from the range to there for a low approach...237.2...says he'll go IFR from the range to MDT.
1055: Refueling activity...238.9...one of them is an OPEC KC-10A tanker, the other has a suffix of 01...mention IP over top of Norfolk.

1104: The AR activity on the 238.9 freq is an OPEC (KC-10A McGuire) and a BACKY (KC-135R 77th ARS Seymour Johnson)
1104: The RAVEN A-10 that was at Bollen is on his way home...he reports 10 minutes out to Raven Ops on 143.8 (Sounds like a single ship flight.)
1109: BACKY and OPEC doing a lot of chat about getting together at the IP...238.9
1110: U/I fighter flight...139.625
1110: AIRGUN 81 (F-15 Langley) entering Giant Killer's W-386 area...238.1/249.8
1112: RAVEN 1 with Martin State Tower in preparation for landing...297.2
1116: The fighters heard on 139.625 might not be for Warren Grove Range...they are talking about the ILS to runway 1 right. They also now sound too close to be at WG Range. (Not hearing them on any other freq but this one which sounds more like an interflight freq use.)
1124: The fighter pair on 139.625 now mentions "field in sight"...mention seeing "Redskin Stadium"
1126: EVAC 58152 reports airborne from Andrews at 1625Z...378.1
1127: Have that fighter pair now with Potomac TRACON...270.275 (No callsign yet...suffix 61)
1129: Finally got it...it's FAST 61 (F-16 138th FS NY-ANG Syracuse) and that explains the 139.625 interflight freq too which is one of theirs.
1130: FAST 61 flight handed off to Andrews Tower and report 5 mile initial...349.0
1131: FAST 61 heading for runway 1R...349.0
1132: FAST 61 reports gear down, full stop 1R...FAST 62 makes the same report...349.0
1143: CARMEN 4 (C-130H 142nd AS DE-ANG WILMINGTON) reports 10 minutes out, A-2 status...343.0 (Isn't this freq used at both Willow Grove and at New Castle County Airport DE?)
1144: Two A-10s tell Raven Ops they're 10 minutes out, both Code 1...347.2 (Callsign AXEMAN)
1145: the two A-10s are working interflight 142.3
1147: PAT 781 to Martin State Tower for landing...121.3
1152: AXEMAN 1 and 2 reporting gear down as they come in for landing at MTN with Tower...297.2
1155: TERRA 97 with arrival message to Andrews...ETA 1715Z, 19 pax, needs crew bus and parking spot...378.1

High noon...break time...back later.

NOTE: For those of us with Verizon's FiOS internet service, it's about to get faster. The current 15 Mbps downstream/2 Mbps upstream service is being upgraded to 20/5 Mbps according to an item I just saw on my business wire.

 

[TinEar]

1300: SCARY 1 flight of two F-16s from the DC-ANG at Andrews roll down the runway...up off the deck and climbing to 3000 feet...with TRACON 257.2 and interflight 143.6
1305: WILD 1 flight of two F-16s off the deck at Andrews...257.2 and interflight 139.15
1306: SCARY flight handed off to Potomac TRACON (Dulles) 254.25 and check in there.
1308: SCARY 1 flight handed off to ZDC-Hagerstown...227.125...no joy so go back to 254.25 and are sent right back to 227.125
1308: WILD 1 flight to TRACON...254.25
1311: SCARY 1 flight back to Hagerstown...227.125...heard this time.
1311: WILD 1 flight handed off to ZDC-Hagerstown and check in there...227.125
1313: SCARY 1 cleared direct Duke MOA...227.125
Here they come Dave..........
1313: WILD 1 flight cleared to FL 210...139.15
1314: SCARY 1 flight handed off to ZNY-Middletown and check in at FL 210...322.4 (He first calls Washington Center and then is corrected by ground so he changes it to New York Center.)
1315: WILD 1 flight cleared direct Slate Run...227.125
1315: WILD 1 flight handed off to ZNY-Middletown and check in at FL 210...322.4
1317: WILD gives bearing/distance from the Duke...1 has it 176 degrees for 132 miles...2 has it 179 degrees for 131 miles....139.15
1319L: SCARY flight leader has them from the bullseye at 175 degrees, 87 miles...143.6
1320: SCARY 1 flight handed off to ZNY-Philipsburg...306.2 but get there and call Duke MOA instead of New York Center.
1320: UGLY flight of Willow Grove A-10s with Philadelphia TRACON...319.15
1322: WILD 1 flight handed off to ZNY-Philipsburg and check in at FL 210...306.2
1322: UGLY 1 flight with ZDC-Kenton...354.15...descending from 10 to 8000 feet.
1324: WILD heard chatting on 139.15 but fading out at this point.. SCARY still being heard on 143.6 but getting weak.
1325: SCARY 1 flight being handed off by ZNY-Philipsburg but too weak to copy handoff freq...302.6
1325: UGLY flight working interflight...143.75
1329: UGLY 1 and 2 switching flight leader positions...143.75 (Sounds like they're going to Pax)
1332: CRAB 58 (C-130J MD-ANG Warfield ANGN) calling Crab Ops...148.925
1333: ZDC-Kenton hands the UGLY flight to Pax Approach where they check in and ask for 3500-18000 for 45 minutes...305.2
1333: CRAB 58 changes to Crab Ops UHF and gives arrival message...in the pattern, A-1, 21,000 on the fuel...385.9
1334: CRAB 58 to Martin State Airport Tower...121.3
1335: UGLY flight cancelling IFR at this time...305.2
1335: UGLY flight handed to BayWatch and check in there...354.8
1335: STEEL ?? (KC-135 PA-ANG Harrisburg) with arrival message to Steel Ops...30 minutes out, A-1, will work the pattern for about an hour, will be about plus 5000 on the gas when they land at about 1500 local...311.0
1336: UGLY flight doing their work at Pax on interflight freq...143.75
1347: CAVE 71 (Langley) to Giant Killer to work W-386 G-J for the next 30 minutes on mission V-1013...249.8
1352: Langley interflight freq active...believe it's the CAVE flight...358.85
1353: Langley ???? 91 flight checking into GK's area (very weak)...249.8
1353: AXEMAN flight reports to Raven Ops the flight was off the ground at 51 past the hour...347.2
1354: AXEMAN flight working interflight...142.3

1402: AXEMAN flight goes to Pax and enters...281.8

And after some phone calls....

1417: Langley interflight active...228.45...F-22A activity
1417: Langley interflight active...358.85
1417: AXEMAN still at Pax...142.3
1417: UGLY still on interflight...143.75 (not sure if they're still at Pax though) (turns out they are still there)
1418: SCARY 1 flight coming home...with TRACON...270.275
1421: WILD 1 flight coming home...with TRACON 269.0 and then 270.275...WILD 2 to ILS and WILD 1 to initial
1423: RAVEN flight with Raven Ops...347.2
1423: WILD 1 has field in sight...270.275
1425: SCARY flight to Andrews Tower...349.0
1427: WILD 1 reports 5 mile initial on the right...349.0
1428: SCARY 2 reports base, gear, stop, right...349.0
1428: SCARY 1 reports base, gear, stop, right...349.0
1429: UGLY flight appears to be headed home to Willow Grove...now with ZDC-Kenton 354.15 and still on interflight 143.75
1432: U/I F-22A flight into Giant Killer's area...249.8 (ID based on transmitter characteristics...a callsign would have been better )
1436: Langley F-22A interflight freq active...233.525
1436: ZDC-Kenton hands the UGLY flight off to freq 286.0 (on interflight they say they never heard of this freq--I haven't either)...they go there, call, make no contact, come back to 354.15 and are handed off to Philadelphia TRACON 269.25 where they check in at 12,000 feet.
1440: UGLY 1 reports direct Modena at 12,000 feet...report they have the Charlie ATIS report from Willow Grove...269.25...meanwhile, over on interflight 143.75 they chat about being really late getting home. (They did stay at Pax a long time)....say they're about 10 minutes late.
1441: UGLY 2 to Willow Grove Base Ops to report they're running about 10 minutes behind...343.0
1442: UGLY 1 reports direct Modena, leaving 5000 for 3000 feet...269.25
1443: UGLY flight handed off to Phil. TRACON...switch to U-6 (previously confirmed)...319.15 and check in at 3000 feet.
1445: U/I flight with Atlantic City Approach and mention switching to the range...327.125
1448: DEEJAY 15 (F-22A Langley) with Norfolk TRACON...370.925
1449: DEEJAY 15 checks in with Giant Killer to work W-386...249.8 (Don't know if he's a single ship or part of a five ship flight)
1450: ???? 91 flight of F-22As into GK's area...MARSA DEEJAY...249.8....say they'll monitor 312.3
1459: CAVE 71 (F-22A Langley) with Norfolk TRACON 370.925 and then with Giant Killer on 249.8 to enter W-386 and says they'll be MARSA with all the other Raptors.
1459: BATON 20 (EC-130J PA-ANG Harrisburg) to Baton Ops with arrival message...395.1
I've got so much static across the bands today that it's difficult to hear a lot of these callsigns. Both VHF and UHF are nasty.

In fact, it's so nasty listening today that I've had enough for now. It's not fun at the moment.

Good new for planes and trains - and MY car - crude oil down to $53.80 a barrel (down $1.84 or 3.3 percent today), the lowest in 18 months....should drive gasoline below $2 a gallon in the very near future.

 

[trainman111]

15:45 (EST) VENUS 32 asking SAM Command if there was a ramp freeze at Andrews <378.1>

Not sure of a response but VENUS 32 replied back with an exicted "Roger, Venus 32!"


Nick

 

[TinEar]

15:45 (EST) VENUS 32 asking SAM Command if there was a ramp freeze at Andrews <378.1>

Not sure of a response but VENUS 32 replied back with an exicted "Roger, Venus 32!"


Nick

None scheduled on the NOTAM list Nick.

 

[trainman111]

It was undoubtedly VENUS 32. It makes me wonder if he was down this way because he was extrememly clear. No static or anything. It's weird that there aren't any scheduled. Could he be doing touch and go's at Lynchburg or maybe Richmond?

 

[TinEar]

A few minutes ago, Steve (jerseymilair) notified me he was hearing someone using 285.15 that sounded like BASS or BASH. After checking, I thought I heard the flight using callsign BASS 61. I suspect the 285.15, based on their activity, was an interflight freq for them that I did not have recovered from the past. Good catch Steve and thank you. About 1630, I heard them leave 285.15, switch to Giant Killer on 249.8 and announce RTB via HEELS to Langley. At the same time, there were two other F-22A flights announcing their RTB Langley. They were KICK 41 and DAGGER 51. All three are new callsigns to switch to the F-22A Langley list as of today.

 

[CitationJet]

Hi guys,

A few noted this morning on the way in to an (almost) all day meeting and this afternoon on the commute home. NOTE: not driving today...)

01.10.2007

1309Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - PACER 50 (C-21A) - deps ADW dir LDN to 17000' QSY 118.675.
1310Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - PAT 1203 (Davison-LFI am C-12 shuttle) - deps DAA dir GRUBY QSY 126.400.
1310Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - deps ADW dir LDN to 17000' QSY 118.675.
1310Z 378.100 SAM CP Andrews - PACER 84 (C-21A) - reports t/off time ADW 1308Z.
1321Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - VENUS 21 - QSYs from 119.300 cleared to FL210.
1322Z 378.100 SAM CP Andrews - VENUS 21- passes t/off time ADW @ 1305Z.
1323Z 283.750 JOSA Common - PACER 84 to PACER 50 - discussing flight plan routings.
1347Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - ANVIS 21 (DHC-6) - 2 nms. S of DAA enroute Fort A.P. Hill AAF, @ 2000' requesting radar advisories.

2051Z 119.300 Potomac APP - NAVY 7W 831 - reporting an EFC time of 2130Z due ramp freeze. Later cleared early for the app...

2105Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - VENUS 32 - lands rwy 1L.
2105Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - MARINE 752 (UC-35) - lands rwy 1R.
2108Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - NAVY 7W 831 - on a six mile final for 1L.
2109Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - NAVY 7N 369 - on the app to rwy 1R.
2110Z 378.100 GRIFFIN CP Andrews - JOSA 812 - clg here no joy.
2128Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - PAT 1267 (C-12T 85-1267) - deps DAA dir GRUBY QSY 126.400.

 

[freqhopping]

Right now I have AERO/ARROW and a simulated DARKSTAR on NJ ANG V-17 138.875.

About 15 minutes ago I heard REACH-321, 305th Air Mobility Wing on AR20 primary passing his info to the tanker. I couldn't find a pen so I didn't get his tail number as well.

1759-Now I have WILD-2 and SCARY-1 on 143.6.

WILD-1 and DARKSTAR on 139.15. They noted that there is a lot of traffic tonight.
1811- 138.425 is now active with "BICEP-1". Covert formation for a 'light drill'.
1817- Now some ground attack for the BICEP flight.

 

[Gemini]

At 6:12 I haave BICEPS up 138.425 as well

 

[BM82557]

TFR for VIP

There is a notam for the Thurmont area for 1/12 - 1/13.

 

[TinEar]

Yes indeed...WILD and SCARY at Pax this evening for some work. At 1844, WILD notified Pax on 354.8 they'd be RTB in 5 minutes. SCARY already on the way home and landing at 1852. WILD to SOF 139.9 to report both Code 1 and 6.9 minutes out at 1852.

Ref the CAP for Friday and Saturday. Looks like they set it up for 5 four-hour shifts - 3 on Friday from 1100-2300 and 2 on Saturday from 0600-0200 if they follow past schedules of stopping for the night at 2300. Only question is who will have the duty.

1852: Crab Ops is talking to an aircraft on the ground at Martin State. I can hear the ground station but not the aircraft she's talking to...385.9 (Might mean a CRAB C-130J flight about to go airborne. CRAB 58 landed there earlier.)
1855: WILD to Potomac TRACON (Reagan) also known as Andrews Approach...335.5

1905: U/I fighters on interflight...138.825 (Might be A-10s at Warren Grove Range)
1906: Yup...now Warren Grove Range active...283.1 (No callsigns heard yet)
Last evening there was also an A-10 flight using interflight 138.825 while at Warren Grove that used the range just before the BARNEY flight arrived.
1911: Sounds like the flight at Warren Grove just left and is with ZNY-Dixie 307.8 but are too weak from here to pull out a callsign.
1917: Hearing some very weak activity on ZBW-Shelton 306.3 but don't know if this could be the same A-10 flight. Is six minutes enough to get from ZNY-Dixie to first stop in ZBW? There was little doubt this was a Barnes or Bradley A-10 flight to the range at Warren Grove.
[I'd sure like to have a remote antenna on the southwestern coast of Long Island to catch all these flights. Or maybe even atop one of the hotels in Atlantic City would do it. Think The Donald will agree to it?]
1925: Someone else now with ZNY-Dixie 307.8 but again too weak to copy.
1928: And they're now with Warren Grove Range checking in...283.1...still no callsign
1929: CRAB ?? with Crab Ops to report they'll be making their drop at 0110Z...385.9
1945: REACH 6011 to Dover Command Post with arrival message...A-2 for minor writeups, needs crew bus only...349.4
1957: The A-10 flight just left Warren Grove Range and reported in to ZNY-Dixie 307.8 but again I couldn't catch the callsign.

Log done.

Andrews has posted two ramp freezes for tomorrow 11 January:
AIR TERMINAL RAMP FREEZE 11 JAN 23:05 UNTIL 11 JAN 23:35
AIR TERMINAL RAMP FREEZE 11 JAN 15:30 UNTIL 11 JAN 16:00

And real important for our monitoring of McGuire Command Post:
COMMAND POST FREQUENCY 319.4 OUT OF SERVICE - USE VHF FREQUENCY 134.1 10 JAN 22:14 UNTIL 12 JAN 23:59
COMMAND POST FREQUENCY 319.4 OUT OF SERVICE - USE VHF FREQUENCY 134.1 16 JAN 13:00 UNTIL 16 JAN 21:00

And at Willow Grove...hmmmm:
AIRFIELD CLOSED AND NOT ACCEPTING PPR'S JANUARY 13-15 2007 FOR MARTIN LUTHER KING HOLIDAY.
They're making it a 3-day holiday. Must be nice.

 

[trainman111]

21:31 (EST) Had an U/I (I came in halfway thru the transmission) calling McGuire CP. Stated they were 30 minutes out 16,000 on the fuel <134.1>

 

[HM1529]

I caught some traffic tonight on 273.000.

I have this as a VP-64 freq (maybe their Ops?).

Comms were strong, but got steadily weaker over a fifteen minute period.

This unit is supposed to move from Willow Grove to McGuire under the BRAC recommendations. I don't know when the move takes place, though.

Time was around 6-7 PM range. I was busy driving at the time.

 

[HM1529]

Can anybody ID the user for the freqs listed below? With a C-130 involved, I would have to guess the 913th Airlift Wing/327th Airlift Squadron from Willow Grove.

119.6 is KNXX Tower.



Posted on the Milcom list at QTH:




Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:21:35 -0500
From: jeff
Subject: [MilCom] Re: [Mid_Atlantic_MILCOM] WGNAS emergency
To: Mid_Atlantic_MILCOM@yahoogroups.com
Cc: PhillyScanner@yahoogroups.com, MilCom <milcom@mailman.qth.net>

Emergency over.
C-130 with an indicator light on, but gear was ok.
(correction 138.650 plus 119.600, 273.000, and 148.540)

jeff wrote:
> C-130 air fuel emergency
> 138.600
> 6:40 eastern

 

[Mark]

I saw another BRAC post the other day saying that most of the C-130's and personnel of Willow Grove were headed to Pope AFB.
Sad scene up there at WG.I was at Airshow there this past Summer and place seems like a Ghost town in comparison to recent years past.
No Navy P-3's,No Marine Choppers,Empty Hangars,..Just the A-10's and the C-130's and the C-130's going out next.

Also C-130 emergencys are common.
I can't recall how many times have heard DEL ANG C-130's inbound Wilmington/New Castle County with a single engine shutdown.
Local Delaware fireboard tones out station 28/32 Wilm Manor and National Guard airport fire dept.
By the time firetrucks get rolling the C-130 has landed safely.

Mark

 

[CitationJet]

Re: KNXX C-130

Guys,

Anyone know if the group below, Mid_Atlantic_MILCOM, is worth subscribing to, or if it's even an open group to begin with?

Tony

Subject: [MilCom] Re: [Mid_Atlantic_MILCOM] WGNAS emergency
To: Mid_Atlantic_MILCOM@yahoogroups.com
Cc: PhillyScanner@yahoogroups.com, MilCom <milcom@mailman.qth.net>

 

[TinEar]

I can't do any logging right now but want to mention a few things happening at the moment....
0946: There is an AXEMAN flight of MD-ANG A-10s with New York Center on one of the new freqs I've been posting...285.65 They are calling "New York Center" so no doubt about it. They're heading for the Duke MOA.
At 0954, the AXEMAN flight of two A-10s is handed off to ZNY-Williamsport 338.3 where they check in at 16,000 feet. Next handoff is at 1005 to ZOB-Bradford 353.85. (Will have to look at the ZNY map when I get a chance to try to place the 285.65 freq.)
[So I looked at the ZNY map - low altitude since they were between 13000 and 16000 feet - and it doesn't make sense. The normal freq sequence is 322.4 (ZNY-Middletown) to 338.3 (ZNY-Williamsport) when aircraft leave ZDC-Hagerstown 227.125 heading north to the Duke. The 322.4 freq was still active as of yesterday so 285.65 is not a replacement for that one. Looking at all the adjacent Sectors, they've all been active recently too. Of course, when Sectors are consolidated at certain times of the day, it gets difficult to place who is doing the controlling which might be the case this morning.]

And, at the same time (0945), there is an aircraft working with Patuxent on 354.8 (no callsign heard yet) that is about to do a supersonic run at 36,000 feet up to a speed of 1.47 mach. His start point is on the Pax 110 degree radial, 21 miles and stop point is at the 150 degree radial, 24 miles.

Activity heard on 141.875 (0946) which should be F-16s from the VA-ANG and I heard them mention the Raptors so they're probably off the coast in one of the warning areas. At the same time I'm hearing F-22As (like BIKER 91) entering W-72 with Giant Killer on freq 233.7

There's a TEAM 41 (KC-10A McGuire) tanker entering the offshore areas at 1020 with Giant Killer on 238.1 that's about to meet up with a slew of fighters. The fighters all seem to be in the W-72 area this morning. He didn't mention if they'd meet up in AR-636 or just where the AR op would take place.

Waren Grove Range active on 283.1 at 1022.

[And that's about all I have time to log/mention until later]

Anyone know if the group below, Mid_Atlantic_MILCOM, is worth subscribing to, or if it's even an open group to begin with?

No help from me Tony. I've heard OF them but have never heard anything FROM them.