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[Mark]

1640 local BOEING 170 C-17 #07-7170 inbound Dover from depot CP 349.400.
Last logged this one a month ago so must have been quickie overhaul.

This morning logged a bunch of ANVIL's C-130's from 130 AW WV ANG.
level flight.
ANVIL 30 C-130H #95-6709 FL23k 0820 local (ADFDD3)
ANVIL 90 C-130H #94-6707 FL23k-27k 0913 (ADFDEC)
ANVIL 77 C-130H #95-6710 FL21k 0931 (ADFDD4)
ANVIL 99 C-130H #94-6705 FL23k 0940-1002 (ADFDEA)

Mark
Noted change below..

 

[dwlyons]

Mark,
The 167th AW transfered all the C-130H to the 130th AW in Charleston, WV. The 167th is now flying all C-5A's and go under the Call Sign of Decoy.

As of January 2009, the eleven C-5As were:

68-0211
68-0217
68-0222
68-0225
69-0011
69-0022
69-0027
70-0452
70-0459
70-0462
70-0463

 

[mdmonitor]

Logs, 31 Aug

ACY-Atlantic City NJ
ADW- Andrews AFB MD
BW- Bay Watch-NAS PAX Area Advisory Control
DAA- Davison AAF, Ft Belvoir VA
DCA- Reagan National Airport/CGAS Washington, Wash DC
DOV- Dover AFB DE
GK- Giantkiller (FACSFAC, Virginia Capes)
LFI- Langley AFB VA
MTN-Martin State Airport, Baltimore
NGTF-Northrop-Grumman Test Facility, Baltimore
NXX- Willow Grove JRB PA
PAX-NAS Patuxent River MD
PTC- Potomac Area TRACON
WRI-McGuire AFB NJ
ZBW-Boston ARTCC
ZDC- Washington ARTCC
ZNY- New York ARTCC

1. VHF/UHF: ((Times are EDT))

((Thanks to Tin Ear for several acft idents))


0805- Navy 501 (UC-12 7A1501, Base Flt PAX)-depart PAX (121.0) then check in w/ZDC Calvert (133.9)
0837- Pecos flt (F-22s, LFI)-on W386 common (312.3) w/wx PIREP. Also on sqdn freq (228.45) w/intercept training then clear out of W386 (238.1) RTB LFI.
0839- Reach 482-land at ADW.
0900- Wild 1 flt (F-16s, 121st FS DC ANG ADW)-depart ADW (348.725) then check in w/ZDC Coyle (254.3)
0902- Guard copter 72055-w/Wash Helo (134.35) for clearance into Ft Washington.
0906- Venus 22 (C-20B # 86-0202, 99th AS ADW)-depart ADW.
1022- Coast Guard 2002 (HC-130J, CGAS Elizabeth City NC)-check in w/ZDC Cape Charles (132.55)
1025- Devil flt (2 X F-16s, 119th FS NJ ANG ACY)-on sqdn freq (138.425)
1027- Drago 51 (C-130J # 02-8154, 19thAW/48th AS Little Rock AFB AR)-pattern work before at ADW. At 1125 requests altitue of 3.500ft for fly by & checks in w/PTC fly by controller (279.575)
1036- Evac 21105 (C-17 # 02-1105, 60th AW McChord AFB WA)-land at ADW.
1040- SAM 5561 (99th AS ADW)-land at ADW.
1041- Trout 98 (C-20E #87-0139 ADW)-patterns at ADW.
1112- SAM 5527 (99th AS ADW)-depart ADW then check in w/ZDC Calvert (133.9) cleared up to FL170.
1120- Pacer 27 (C-21A #84-0095, 457th AS ADW)-depart ADW.
1133- Aero/Arrow 51 (unid)-W/PTC (119.3)
1136- Nighthawk 33 (CH-53, HMX-1 MCAF Quantico)-check in w/Wash Helo (134.35)
1147- Unid acft (no call noted) on Coronet 31 C1 (378.2) passing target info: Land Roll & Mojo used as information sources.
1200- Unid acft (no call noted-id as C-21A)-w/Huntress (260.9) at FL240.
1210- Bear 02 (C-2A #162175 VRC-30, NAS Chambers VA)-check in w/ZDC Casino (285.4)
1215- Reach 9191 (C-17 # 89-1191, 437th AMW Charleston AFB SC)-depart ADW. At 1708 lands at MCAF Quantioc (355.3) w/17 pax. Prob HMX-1 equipment from POTUS vacation.
1500- Arctic 81 (KC-135R #62-3571, 168th ARS AK-ANG Elmendorf AFB AK)-depart ADW then check in w/ZDC Calvert (133.9). Check into AR 636 (118.125) for some AAR work in the block FL270-290. Returns to ADW at 1745.
1510- Navy 378 (C-37B # 166378, VR-1 ADW)-land at ADW.
1511- Sunny 712 (UC-12, MCAS Beaufort SC)-land at ADW.
1514- Venus 40 (VC-37 # 97-0400, 99th AS ADW)-patterns at ADW.
1515- Lobo 41 flt (poss F-16 SD ANG -deployed to Langley)-check into W386 (249.8)
1516- Venus 22 (C-20B # 86-0202, 99th AS ADW)-patterns at ADW.
1523- Boxer 425 (C-38 #94-1569, 201st AS DC ANG ADW)-patterns at ADW.
1616- NASA 912 (T-38, Ellington AFB TX)-w/ZDC Calvert (133.9) then w/PAX approach (120.05)
1619- Emu 82 (E-6B #164404, East Coast TACAMO, VQ-4 Det PAX)-w/Huntress (364.2) for modes & codes checks.
1623- Navy TP61 (UH=60A, NTPS PAX)-w/PAX approach (120.05)--shot a couple of approaches at ADW before RTB PAX.
1624- SPAR 17-land at ADW w/17 pax.
1626- Miller flt (F-22s, LFI)-on W386 common (312.3) w/wx PIREP then on sqdn freq (228.45) w/intercept training at FL400-530.
1716- Reach 6012-(C-17, 437th AMW Charleston AFB SC)-w/DOV approach (125.9)
1757- PAT 646-w/LFI CP (251.25) w/inbound msg for pax drop off.

Ron (mdmonitor1@verizon.net)
Baltimore MD (390747N 763711W)
VHF/UHF: BC-895XLT/RS Pro-2045
Diamond D-130J discone
HF: Icom R75 & Sangean ATS 909
45-ft EF-SWL & 70-ft random wire

 

[mdmonitor]

Milair freqs, Aug 09

ACY-Atlantic City NJ
ADW- Andrews AFB MD
BW- Bay Watch-NAS PAX Area Advisory Control
DAA- Davison AAF, Ft Belvoir VA
DCA- Reagan National Airport/CGAS Washington
DOV- Dover AFB DE
GK- Giantkiller (FACSFAC, Virginia Capes)
LFI- Langley AFB VA
MTN-Martin State Airport, Baltimore
NGTF-Northrop-Grumman Test Facility, Baltimore
NXX- Willow Grove JRB PA
PAX-NAS Patuxent River MD
PTC- Potomac Area TRACON
WRI-McGuire AFB NJ
ZBW-Boston ARTCC
ZDC- Washington ARTCC
ZNY- New York ARTCC

Milair freqs noted in Mid-Atlantic area in August 2009


--118.125 GK W386
--118.4 ADW tower
--118.95 PTC
--119.275 BW
--119.3 PTC
--119.85 PTC
--120.05 PAX A/D
--121.0 PAX A/D
--121.3 MTN tower (MD ANG)
--123.2 NTPS PAX
--123.225 NGTF
--123.4 FAA Ops DAA & ACY
--125.9 DOV arrival
--126.15 Phillips AAF Aberdeen MD
--126.2 Weide AAF Aberdeen MD
--126.3 DAA tower
--126.35 DOV tower
--126.55 PTC
--127.95 PAX A/D
--132.425 DOV A/D
--133.9 ZDC Calvert
--134.1 DOV & McGuire CP
--134.35 Washington Helo Control (DCA)
--134.425 DOV A/D
--135.025 PAX A/D

--138.0 F-16 A-A 134th FS, VT ANG
--138.125 AM 119th FS NJ ANG ACY
--138.2 119th FS NJ ANG ACY
--138.425 AM 119th FS NJ ANG ACY
--138.875 AM 119th FS NJ ANG ACY
--139.0 104th FS MD ANG A-A
--139.15 AM 121st FS DC ANG ADW
--139.3 ADW PTD
--139.4 DAA Ops
--139.7 Huntress
--139.875- McGuire tanker interplane.
--141.55 AM Griffin CP (ADW)
--141.7 1st Helo Sqdn Ops
--141.75 AM- LFI Dispatch
--143.15 AM- 121st FS DC ANG ADW
--143.6 AM- 121st FS DC ANG ADW

--227.125 ZDC Hagerstown
--228.45 LFI A-A
--229.4 Weide AAF Ops (MD ArNG)
--233.55 PA ANG A-A NXX
--233.7 GK W72
--236.825 ZDC Snow Hill
--237.2 Bollen Range, Ft Indiantown GAP PA
--238.1 GK W386
--238.9 AR 636 primary
--239.05 ZNY Lancaster
--239.8 McGuire/Langley Metro
--249.1 unid
--249.8 GK W386
--250.3 PAX A/D
--250.7 VX-23 Ops PAX
--250.85 BW
--251.25 LFI CP (Raymond 16)
--254.3 ZDC Coyle
--255.4- Leesburg Radio
--256.5- BW
--256.8 ZDC Cape Charles
--257.2 PTC
--257.7 ZDC Salisbury
--257.875- DOV A/D
--259.1 ZBW Sardi
--260.9 Guard Dog CAP
--261.0 Devil Ops 119th FS NJ ANG ACY
--262.025 LFI A-A
--262.95 Echo Control, PAX
--264.15 NTPS Ops PAX
--264.55 Echo Control PAX
--268.8 NAS Chambers VA Ops
--269.425 unid ZDC
--270.275 PTC A./D
--270.35 ZDC Shenandoah
--270.3 ZNY Lancaster
--270.8 BW
--273.95 HMX-1 discrete, MCAF Quantico VA
--274.45 AAR discrete
--278.3 ZNY Pottstown
--279.575 PTC fly by controller
--281.2 Invader Jack A-A
--281.4 ZDC Calvert
--281.45 ZDC Atlantic City (changed from Sea Isle)
--281.525 Harrisburg A/D
--281.8 PAX A/D
--282.2 ZDC Casanova
--282.3 ZNY Kennedy
--284.7 ZDC Montebello
--285.4 ZDC Casino
--285.6 ZDC Blue Ridge
--288.0 AWACS discrete
--288.4 Huntress
--290.2 ZNY Yardley
--290.425 ZDC Franklin
--291.2 GK discrete
--292.2 Ist Helo Sqdn ADW-A-A
--292.3 W386 common
--297.2 MTN tower
--299.4 PAX test discrete
--299.7 ZBW Calverton
--305.2 BW
--306.2 ZNY Phillipsburg
--306.8 NXX Ops
--307.025 ZDC Potomac
--307.325 ZOB Altoona
--310.55 Echo Control PAX
--311.0 Steel Control (PA ANG Pittsburgh)
--312.3 W386 common (LFI 36 prime)
--314.0 PAX A/D
--317.425 PTC departure
--322.55 ZDC Linden
--323.3 ZNY Lancaster
--327.0 ZDC Brooke
--328.4 VR-53 Ops ADW
--338.3 ZNY Williamsport
--335.5 PTC A/D
--335.6 ZNY Modena
--342.0 DOV Metro
--347.2 Raven Ops (MTN)
--348.725 PTC
--349.0 ADW tower
--349.4 DOV CP
--351.2 Liberator CP (756th ARS ADW)
--351.9 ZDC Gordonsville
--354.0 ZNY Oceanic (Barnegat)
--354.15 ZDC Kenton
--354.8- BW
--355.3 MCAF Quantioco Base Ops
--357.1 71st FS Ops LFI
--356.2 PAX Metro
--360.15 LFI A-A (DC CAP)
--360.7 ZDC Swann
--360.85 ZDC Irons
--363.0 ZDC Woodstowne
--363.075 ZOB Altoona
--364.2 NORAD AICC
--365.7 PAX test discrete
--370.925 Norfolk approach
--371.9 Norfolk A/D
--372.2 ADW Dispatch
--373.1 GK discrete W386
--378.1 Griffin CP (ADW)
--378.2 Coronet 31 C1
--379.3 ZDC Martinsburg
--381.3 Pope AFB NC CP
--383.2 LFI SOF
--384.1 Crab Ops, 135th CP MTN
--395.1 Baton CP (193rd SOG PA ANG)-Harrisburg PA

 

[Mark]

Rechecking last nights logs found these 2 odd visitors.

4AA6C5 SE-IVE C212 CASA C-212-CE Aviocar Sweden - Coast Guard 2009/08/31 00:27z
4AAEC7 SE-KVG C212 CASA C-212-CE Aviocar Sweden - Coast Guard 2009/08/31 00:16z
Sometime around 2000 local..
No callsigns showed here..
According to report on pic below these old CASA's are being retired.. Maybe going to Boneyard?
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Sweden---Coast/CASA-C-212-CE-Aviocar/1500658/L/

Someone sent me a note saying those Ex-Swedish CG planes were on their way to South America.
Uruguay to be specific..That will be the end of them..

2100 local Delaware ANG 142AS deploying a C-130H to Afghanistan tonight (local news).. logged here departing as
(AE0622) C-130H 84-0212 showing REACH678 0100z ..6 month tour.
.

Mark

 

[TinEar]

SBS Log 31 August, Part II:


AE0622 84-0212 ------- 20:58:23.500 C-130H ANG/DE/142AS
000001 ------ ------- 20:44:10.687 F-16 52thFW
AE0236 87-0124 ------- 20:36:50.500 KC-10A 305thAMW
AE146E 07-7176 RIDER85 20:32:28.078 C-17A 3rdAS/436thAW
AE146E 07-7176 ------- 20:22:23.500 C-17A 3rdAS/436thAW
AE0670 63-7980 ------- 20:19:40.671 KC-135R AFMC/412TW/412FLTS
AE06C6 161326 ------- 20:08:02.734 UC-12B Patuxent River
AE049A 61-0307 DECEE11 19:31:32.515 KC-135R AFRC/459ARW/756ARS
AE049A 61-0307 ------- 19:31:29.500 KC-135R AFRC/459ARW/756ARS
AE06CF 161309 ------- 19:00:49.875 UC-12B Washington
AE0945 01-0040 ------- 18:59:26.500 C-40B 76thAS
AE07CF 89-1191 RCH9191 18:49:21.500 C-17A 437thAW
AE07CF 89-1191 ------- 18:48:54.062 C-17A 437thAW
AE03E5 164998 ------- 18:39:27.500 C-130T VR-53/AX
ADFEC9 84-0182 PAT2424 18:26:10.890 C-12 ---
ADFEC9 84-0182 ------- 18:25:14.500 C-12 ---
29CBB8 Various 00000000 18:16:38.500 Various Various
AE0466 162174 ------- 18:15:58.500 C-2A VRC-30Det.4
29CBB8 Various ------- 18:13:49.500 Various Various
AE0449 02-4452 ------- 18:07:36.500 C-32B 227thSOF/NJ-ANG
AE01BD 84-0131 JOSA592 17:55:01.734 C-21A 457thAS
AE01BD 84-0131 ------- 17:54:03.640 C-21A 457thAS
AE038B 62-3543 DECEE12 17:48:06.750 KC-135R AFRC/459ARW/756ARS
AE038B 62-3543 ------- 17:47:31.500 KC-135R AFRC/459ARW/756ARS
AE062D 62-3571 ARTIC81 17:40:31.500 KC-135R ANG/AK/168ARS
ADFEDA 86-0084 ------- 17:37:46.531 C-12T VARFC
AE20C2 07-7181 RCH1816 17:32:40.093 C-17a 437thAW
AE20C2 07-7181 ------- 17:32:26.078 C-17a 437thAW
AE06CF 161309 ------- 17:24:52.703 UC-12B Washington
AE062D 62-3571 ------- 17:20:22.750 KC-135R ANG/AK/168ARS
AE01BC 84-0130 ------- 17:18:07.875 C-21A 459thAS
AE01BC 84-0130 JOSA369 17:18:07.875 C-21A 459thAS
000001 ------ ------- 17:16:27.937 F-16 52thFW
AE07CF 89-1191 ------- 17:01:39.062 C-17A 437thAW
AE07CF 89-1191 RCH9191 17:01:39.500 C-17A 437thAW
ADFEC9 84-0182 ------- 16:56:41.890 C-12 ---
ADFEC9 84-0182 PAT2424 16:56:41.890 C-12 ---
AE10C2 166375 VV375 16:54:59.500 C-37A VR-1
AE10C2 166375 ------- 16:50:37.500 C-37A VR-1
AE049A 61-0307 ------- 16:48:08.500 KC-135R AFRC/459ARW/756ARS
AE049A 61-0307 DECEE11 16:48:08.500 KC-135R AFRC/459ARW/756ARS
AE1468 07-7170 BOE107 16:41:43.500 C-17A 3rdAS/436thAW
AE1368 163395 ------- 16:35:36.500 EA-6B VAQ-209
AE1468 07-7170 ------- 16:35:32.500 C-17A 3rdAS/436thAW
ADFEDA 86-0084 ------- 16:34:15.984 C-12T VARFC
A09ADE N138WA WOA8760 16:32:41.937 DC-10 WorldAirways
AE117A 02-1108 RCH265 16:31:35.500 C-17A 62ndAW
A09ADE N138WA ------- 16:30:39.046 DC-10 WorldAirways
AE138D 158200 ------- 16:29:03.500 T-38C ntps
AE189A 05-4613 SPAR17 16:25:16.531 C-40C 932ndAW
AE189A 05-4613 ------- 16:21:50.500 C-40C 932ndAW
AE117A 02-1108 ------- 16:15:44.500 C-17A 62ndAW
AE10EA 2004 C2004 16:12:55.890 HC-130J USCG/ElizabethCity
AE10EA 2004 ------- 16:12:23.500 HC-130J USCG/ElizabethCity
AE0416 164404 GOTO FMS 16:08:38.125 E-6B VQ4
AE0416 164404 ------- 16:08:34.062 E-6B VQ4
AC9F46 N912NA ------- 16:06:43.968 T-38N NASA
AE0195 84-0135 JOSA031 16:05:28.609 C-21A 458thAS
AE0195 84-0135 ------- 16:05:11.140 C-21A 458thAS
AE1F46 07-2055 72055 16:05:02.500 UH-72A ---
AE1F46 07-2055 ------- 16:04:13.500 UH-72A ---
AE20C2 07-7181 RCH1816 16:02:07.500 C-17a 437thAW
AE06B5 161306 ------- 16:00:00.968 TC-12B TAW-4
AE20C2 07-7181 ------- 15:58:20.500 C-17a 437thAW
AE01BC 84-0130 ------- 15:47:23.109 C-21A 459thAS
AE01BC 84-0130 JOSA369 15:47:23.109 C-21A 459thAS
AE1390 61-0925 @@@@@@@@ 15:41:00.500 T-38C ntps
AE1390 61-0925 ------- 15:40:49.515 T-38C ntps
AE123D 04-4132 ------- 15:35:42.125 C-17A 6thAS
AA5548 N765NA NAO994 15:31:01.500 B-747 North American Airlines
AE08B5 165961 ------- 15:30:22.812 T-6A ntps
AA5548 N765NA ------- 15:28:48.500 B-747 North American Airlines
AE06B4 161501 ------- 15:27:15.500 UC-12B Patuxent River
AE010F 94-1569 ------- 15:23:18.500 C-38A 201stAS/DCANG
AE0847 58-0107 ------- 15:21:50.500 KC-135R ANG/ME/132ARS
AE0104 ------ ------- 15:18:40.000 T-38C ??? ---
AE062D 62-3571 ARTIC81 15:15:31.703 KC-135R ANG/AK/168ARS
AE062D 62-3571 ------- 15:14:56.968 KC-135R ANG/AK/168ARS
AE152C 166378 ------- 15:08:09.703 C-37B VR-1
AE08B3 165959 ------- 15:07:31.109 T-6A ntps
AE010D 97-0400 G6363 15:03:07.046 C-37A 89thAW/99thAS
AE010D 97-0400 ------- 15:02:48.156 C-37A 89thAW/99thAS
AE03D5 164598 ------- 14:50:18.625 KC-130T-30 VMGR-234/QH
AE036D 98-0007 ------- 14:38:14.500 UC-35A USAF
AE0167 86-0202 AVIONICS 14:29:12.140 C-20B 89thAW/99thAS
AE0167 86-0202 ------- 14:24:10.093 C-20B 89thAW/99thAS
AE06C6 161326 @@@@@@@@ 14:22:42.750 UC-12B Patuxent River
AE06C6 161326 ------- 14:21:05.046 UC-12B Patuxent River
AE146E 07-7176 ROYAL50 14:20:32.546 C-17A 3rdAS/436thAW
AE146E 07-7176 ------- 14:20:19.750 C-17A 3rdAS/436thAW
AE0195 84-0135 JOSA031 14:18:25.500 C-21A 458thAS
AE0195 84-0135 ------- 14:16:22.906 C-21A 458thAS
AE0457 162154 ------- 14:16:06.046 C-2A VRC-40
000001 ------ ------- 14:14:26.921 F-16 52thFW
AAFF73 ------- ------- 13:37:38.500 C-130T VR-53/AX
AE0248 96-8154 ------- 13:33:09.609 EC-130J ANG/PA/193SOW/193SOS
AE0218 83-0082 OPEC13 13:21:57.484 KC-10A 305thAMW
AE0218 83-0082 ------- 13:21:55.843 KC-10A 305thAMW
AE123E 04-4133 RCH214T 13:18:51.406 C-17A 6thAS
AE123E 04-4133 ------- 13:18:47.781 C-17A 6thAS
AAFF73 ------- TITUS01 12:39:43.515 C-130T VR-53/AX
AE0449 02-4452 ------- 12:39:33.968 C-32B 227thSOF/NJ-ANG
AE12FE 62-1806 FXLO 535 12:39:01.671 C-130E 19AW/
AE12FE 62-1806 ------- 12:34:55.046 C-130E 19AW/
AAFF73 ------- ------- 12:33:17.406 C-130T VR-53/AX

 

[bmlure]

(UHF)
1736: 141.550-Josa 592
1905: 141.550-Josa 197 (C-21)

(HF)
2316 utc: 5696.0 usb-C/G 2112( HU-25C+ CGAS Cape Cod MA) flt ops
2328 utc: 5696.0 usb-C/G 2001( HC-130J CGAS Elizabeth City N.C.)
2330 utc: 5696.0 usb-C/G 1501(HC-130H CGAS Clearwater Fl)
2351 utc: 5696.0 usb-C/G 2135(HU-25C+ CGAS Corpus Christi Tx)
2355 utc: 5696.0 usb-C/G 1504(HU-130H CGAS Clearwater Fl) Camslant calling
0000 utc: 5696.0 usb-C/G 1504(HU-130H CGAS Clearwater Fl) Key West calling

 

[adrian65]

Sweeping up after the Presidential visit, the following were in -- out of Otis today. All from the Mode-S log, so the displayed callsigns may not have been the ones used.
Edit...question, would they break down and air transport the VH-60/CH-46`s ?, i would have thought they could be flown back?
For the record, at least 2 VH-60s and 4 CH-46 were at Otis. Someone today heard a Nighthawk flight of 3 headed toward Dover.

85-0001 C-5B 0032 -- 0255 [no c/s disp]
89-1191 C-17A 1307 -- 1610 [RCH9191]
04-4133 C-17A 0757 -- 0954 [RCH214T]

Also in -- out of MVY today, i guess picking up the supplies and equipement used by the HH-65 `Guardian 1`

2004 HC-130J 1111 -- 1413 [C2004]

 

[jsoergel]

NASA 607 (DHC-6, N607NA) is off Patterson doing orbits over the NMUSAF (or at least in that general location). I still have no idea why they do that (BE9Ls ANGEL 91/92 - N91S/N92B as well). N92B has some sort of camera in the bay - I've seen it open while flying - but I'm not sure what type of images it takes, because they work on overcast days as well. Now NASA 607 just referenced "researchers in back." I used to think it was some kind of testing for new military equipment, but with NASA joining the mix, I'm starting to think it's some general research.

Logs coming soon, once 607 lands.

 

[TinEar]

Sweeping up after the Presidential visit, the following were in -- out of Otis today. All from the Mode-S log, so the displayed callsigns may not have been the ones used.

85-0001 C-5B 0032 -- 0255 [no c/s disp]
89-1191 C-17A 1307 -- 1610 [RCH9191]
04-4133 C-17A 0757 -- 0954 [RCH214T]

Adrian, 85-0001 was REACH 204T. That one and the 04-4133 I can confirm the callsign you have. He eventually made it back to McGuire this afternoon. I didn't hear the other C-17 (89-1191).

I think you picked the right words - "sweeping up" - since there's always a ton (actually tons and tons) of stuff to return to their normal places after the president moves for an extended stay as we all witnessed last week. I know they've got to do whatever it takes to keep the president safe but it seems to have gotten out of hand as time goes by. Using the number of aircraft they do just becomes ridiculous. We see more and more involvement from the entire government and a huge contribution from the military being demanded. I would think a fighter or two with hot engines sitting on the tarmac would be sufficient - or perhaps just a few fighters on alert status at a couple of places. Somehow, I don't think they're going to take my suggestions though.

 

[adrian65]

Adrian, 85-0001 was REACH 204T. That one and the 04-4133 I can confirm the callsign you have. He eventually made it back to McGuire this afternoon. I didn't hear the other C-17 (89-1191).

I think you picked the right words - "sweeping up" - since there's always a ton (actually tons and tons) of stuff to return to their normal places after the president moves for an extended stay as we all witnessed last week. I know they've got to do whatever it takes to keep the president safe but it seems to have gotten out of hand as time goes by. Using the number of aircraft they do just becomes ridiculous. We see more and more involvement from the entire government and a huge contribution from the military being demanded. I would think a fighter or two with hot engines sitting on the tarmac would be sufficient - or perhaps just a few fighters on alert status at a couple of places. Somehow, I don't think they're going to take my suggestions though.

In this instance, with Otis being less than 10 miles from where he was staying, i wonder if it would have been more cost effective to just detach a flight of 8 or 10 F-15s to Otis and have them operate from there, just to save on some gas. You could even have them come in individually for refuelling and save the tankers........maybe just have one on duty but sat on the ground for the most part.
Just to save some gas....i think F-15s average 10000pounds of fuel per hour, just while in the CAP, when you multiply that by 2 and by 168for the 7 days, it starts to get staggering, not to mention the transit fuel, and i haven`t even mentioned the Tanker............

 

[dwlyons]

The fun starts all over again tomorrow as he is going to Camp David for a long Labor Day weekend. I guess he needs to rest after that long vacation.

Money is no object. This bunch just prints what they need.

 

[CitationJet]

Re: SUNY 712

Ron,

He must have diverted into ADW due to the gear issue the C-23 had? Heard SUNY 712 @ 1859Z w/DAVEY OPS 139.400 reporting 1515L arrival time Davison AAF "for the Tidewater Shuttle".

Tony

1511- Sunny 712 (UC-12, MCAS Beaufort SC)-land at ADW.

 

[TinEar]

In this instance, with Otis being less than 10 miles from where he was staying, i wonder if it would have been more cost effective to just detach a flight of 8 or 10 F-15s to Otis and have them operate from there, just to save on some gas. You could even have them come in individually for refuelling and save the tankers........maybe just have one on duty but sat on the ground for the most part.
Just to save some gas....i think F-15s average 10000pounds of fuel per hour, just while in the CAP, when you multiply that by 2 and by 168for the 7 days, it starts to get staggering, not to mention the transit fuel, and i haven`t even mentioned the Tanker............

Yes, there just seem to be much better ways to provide the protection at much reduced cost - at least to those of us that are observers of the assets being used. That's what I had in mind when I mentioned using alert fighter status and they wouldn't have to be all at one base. Both Otis and Barnes could have been used. Especially Barnes, with its own F-15 mission, was almost certainly in a position to support a TDY flight of F-15s for a week.

By the way, the CAP F-15s used to report using 12,000 pounds an hour versus around 6,000 for F-16s. Lately, their reports are much less and, during this most recent CAP, one flight leader reported using 7,000 pounds per hour average during one of the shifts. I think they must have been told to lay off using afterburners while tooling around the sky in their orbits and to take other actions to reduce fuel usage. The KC-135s still use around 12,000 pounds per hour of flight. No matter how you add it up, it's still one hell of a fuel bill to keep a tanker and two F-15s in the sky 24/7 for a week. But, hey, it's only taxpayers money they're using so no need to think about how to save money.

The Guard Dog CAP restarts Wednesday. The TFR has not been published yet.

 

[jsoergel]

Finally got around to doing my logs for today.

NAVY 7N 578 (UC-12B, 161309)
??? x0 (unid) - fighter departing, only caught the last digit of the callsign
JOSA 592 (C-21A, unid) - 6 pax (2 space A's), told Dispatch they were having trouble transmitting on UHF (I heard them - just a little weak), departed 2107Z
NAVY 7W 307 (UC-12B, unid) - dropping off 1 A4
NASA 608 (T-34C, N608NA) - from KCLE; to KCLE
MARINE 655 (unid)
NASA 607 (DHC-6, N607NA) - up to do orbits

At the end of their orbits, NASA 607 called in to "base" - didn't catch what frequency it was on, probably 122.850. Reported ground contact with "NIGHT STAIR BASE" (or at least that's what it sounded like). I have no idea what that is; if anyone does, please let me know.

 

[JohnFB]

Both Otis and Barnes could have been used. Especially Barnes, with its own F-15 mission, was almost certainly in a position to support a TDY flight of F-15s for a week.

From what I understand, Otis has barely enough to support the USCG presence there, let alone a contigent of F-15s [with their pilots and other support personnel], even for a limited stay. Same with Barnes .... and with them, there's very little room at the inn. 150 ground personnel shipped out with the 8-12 pilots for Red Flag, so there's no support available from the 104FW.

In both cases, there is little or no on-base housing, mess facilities, medical facilities, adequete fueling facilities, etc. that would make it any cheaper if all of that was hauled in, than staging it out of Langley.

Now, to me, Burlington would have been a possible choice. It's definitely closer, has support facilities [albeit not for F-15s] and there's the airport hotel right on site to put everyone up.

Trust me, I would have died happy if I could have watched a CAP stage out of my back yard [figuratively] for a week ..... but we'll have to wait for Mitt Romney to get elected for that to happen.

No, .... wait ..... he'll probably end up vacationing in SLC, UT.

 

[Mark]

Jared supposed to be some 12 NAF F-16's departing today westbound
most likely head for Hill AFB.As posted on other board.
Goose Bay -> Wright Patterson AFB -> Hill AFB in total 12x F-16's.

Logged here a few Seymour KC-135's out last night eastbound.First 2 logged into
Mildenhall this morning,3rd one right behind.
Probably that SJ 335th FW crew deployment mentioned here Sunday.

(AE04CF) 62-3537 RCH 895 2009/09/01 02:26z
(AE07BA) 62-3557 RCH 2557 2009/09/01 02:49z
(AE0672) 63-8014 RCH 3014 2009/09/01 03:53z

Mark

 

[TinEar]

Otis has barely enough...<snip>
Same with Barnes...<snip>
Now, to me, Burlington would have been...<snip>

Well, okay. Pick a base, any base. Off base quarters can be used. Even Andrews requires that of many visitors. The point is simply do something that will think about saving taxpayers' money. No one in government seems to do that.

New subject...
Andrews NOTAMs:
1. AIR TERMINAL RAMP FREEZE. 01 SEP 16:55 2009 UNTIL 01 SEP 17:25 2009. (Times are GMT or local EDT+4)
2. UHF(372.2) VHF(139.3) PILOT TO DISPATCH (PTD) OTS. 31 AUG 20:12 2009 UNTIL 07 SEP 21:00 2009. (OTS=OuT of Service)

Dover NOTAM: (Haven't been hearing the contract haulers on 134.1 and this may be why)
COMMAND POST FREQUENCY VHF 134.1 UNAVAILABLE. COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC PASS ARRIVAL INFORMATION TO DOVER GROUND CONTROL FREQ 118.875. 05 AUG 13:00 2009 UNTIL 15 SEP 13:00 2009.

Patuxent NOTAM: (Mode-S interference??)
MILITARY PERFORMING JAMMING EQUIPMENT TESTS 9/1/09 TO 11/30/09 DAILY M-F 0700-0900Z AFFECTING FREQUENCIES FROM 960-1215 MHZ RENDERING PXT TACR UNUSABLE WITHIN 25NM OF THE FACILITY. OUTSIDE THE 25NM OF SITE SIGNAL WILL BE RADIATING NORMAL. DAILY M-F, 01 SEP 11:40 2009 UNTIL 30 NOV 09:00 2009.

Nothing up on the FAA site yet (1130) about the CAP, supposedly starting tomorrow.

 

[Mark]

Camp CAP notam just went up an hour ago.They waited long time for this Notam.
Guess waited for the big O to make up his mind about vacation dates.

9/7732 NOTAM Details

I think a new C-130J for Ramstein went thru here today.
(AE220D) level 29k HKY98 1720-1753z Usually overnight at CYYT then head east in the morning again.

Several Keesler 815AS C-130J's thru here today.

(AE1443) C-130J #05-8157 RCH209 815AS 1656z
(AE1441) C-130J #05-8152 RCH869 815AS 1714z
(AE1444) C-130J #05-8158 RCH264 815AS 1731z
All at level 27k

Mark

 

[Tech792]

Didn't write down the exact time, was about 11 am this morning-
DEVIL 11 (flight of 3) with AR ops with BANGOR 21 on 266.5