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I was running DSD+ on sites 38 and 39 of the TelePath Corporation (System 268), and they are both still identifying as Connect Plus (Con+).
For Site 4 (Apple - Elk Grove), it is now appearing as Tier 3 (MOT) (System L9)
I noticed the system type for the overall TelePath Corporation database entry (link) was changed to DMR Tier III.
Yes. For example, when scanning the wide-area coverage sites, they show system ID 268, and as Connect Plus (Con+) when using DSD+.
When I scan the Apple - Elk Grove site (Site 4), it *used* to identify as system ID 268, but now is identifying as system ID L9, and as a DMR Tier III (MOT) system when using DSD+. Also the LCNs for Site 4 have changed to the 4-digit CHAN ID-ype (similar to what you have found).
The bigger issue I've now found is the System 268 database entry was changed from Connect Plus to Tier III, and it has stripped all the known LCNs from each site that were previously confirmed. Not an issue for us who keep notes on this system, but could be an issue for people who import it from the database or use the ZIP code programming.
Well shoot, maybe they're transitioning all of 268 to Tier III? I'll check my TelePath sites and local Apple site tomorrow and see what they're broadcasting.
I have been conversing with inigo88 in the background and it seems there are 3 variants at play at the moment.
Today I checked out site 26, Apple in Culver City, and noted an added frequency(461.65) on the site. The control channel indicates Tier-III with Sys ID 268.
So, we probably have:
1. Con+ system 268
2. Tier-III system L9
3. Tier-III system 268
As expressed by inigo88, I suspect there is some form of upgrade project at work here. Maybe from cost or logistics reasons, it made sense to transition the Apple sites first, while the remainder of the system continued to operate as Con+.
I also find it interesting they kept Apple site numbers the same as part of Tier-III instead of simply 1,2,3,4, etc which indicates to me they are still part of the broader Telepath 268 system.
Additionally, I discovered an additional Apple/Telepath license (WRFX343) for 3 additional locations in Los Angeles. My quick monitoring appears none are on the air yet, though I might need to drive closer to each location in the future to truly verify.
Besides California, we also have the Apple sites in AZ, NC, NV and TX that would need confirmation as to their status also.
So why was the Telepath System changed from CON+ to DMRT3? Was this based on just what was observed in Culver City? What other sites have come up as DMRT3/System 268?Any updates on the Telepath vs Apple systems? Have any more sites switched from Connect Plus to DMR Tier 3? If all the Telepath sites are in the process of changing to TIII(MOT) we are hesitant to create the interim system, but if things are stable then it’s probably worth updating the database.
Upon further reading, DSDPlus “TIII(MOT)” is actually Motorola Capacity Max. Motorola took the DMR Tier III standard and piggybacked proprietary Motorola stuff on it.
As for the L9 vs 9 system ID, the network ID is just 9. The L stands for system size Large. They have Tiny, Small, Large and Huge.
To make things even more complicated there are discrepancies between the way DSDPlus and Uniden show some of the system values. This thread goes into a lot of technical detail:DSDPlus - Network and Site Numbers DSDPlus vs Uniden DMR Type 3