The Official Thread: Live audio feeds, scanners, and... wait for it.. ENCRYPTION!

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Just because you get a paycheck is no reason to trample the Constitution. But alas, throw a little money at people and they will sing the praises of tyranny. Enjoy your "adult beverage", should be an adult first though and think with your brain instead of your wallet.
The anger over encyrption of public safety communications is understandable. I was not happy when my local PD and FD went fully encrypted.

However, we do not have Constitutional right to monitor public safety communications. This has come up in numerous discussions on encryption and it seems to be a common misconception.
 

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The anger over encyrption of public safety communications is understandable. I was not happy when my local PD and FD went fully encrypted.

However, we do not have Constitutional right to monitor public safety communications. This has come up in numerous discussions on encryption and it seems to be a common misconception.
But you do have a Constitutional right to elect those that see the value of in the clear dispatch and that’s proven the only way to counter this crap.
 

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Just because you get a paycheck is no reason to trample the Constitution. But alas, throw a little money at people and they will sing the praises of tyranny. Enjoy your "adult beverage", should be an adult first though and think with your brain instead of your wallet.

I'd love to hear your opinion on what part of the constitution is being infringing on. Like, actual quote from the constitution.
 

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But you do have a Constitutional right to elect those that see the value of in the clear dispatch and that’s proven the only way to counter this crap.
Agreed, that is the way to do it. It worked in NYC, where state legislators passed a bill to give the media access to encrypted, non-sensitive communications. (ie, dispatch channels). It has not been signed by the governor. It does not give access to the public, though.
 

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Just because you get a paycheck is no reason to trample the Constitution. But alas, throw a little money at people and they will sing the praises of tyranny. Enjoy your "adult beverage", should be an adult first though and think with your brain instead of your wallet.
Time to exit your parents' basement and come up to reality. But thanks for the laugh.
 

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Just because you get a paycheck is no reason to trample the Constitution. But alas, throw a little money at people and they will sing the praises of tyranny. Enjoy your "adult beverage", should be an adult first though and think with your brain instead of your wallet.
What on earth are you even talking about?
 

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What on earth are you even talking about?

Some choose to not understand and lash out in frustration. This thread has a lot of examples of that.

They quoted a post I made regarding the use of LTE by some agencies. Not sure he understands how LTE works, but it's encrypted natively, separate from the LMR application. No scanner will decode it, even if it wasn't encrypted.

I'm really honored that they think I influence the use of encryption in states I've never visited.

They seem to think my paycheck changes based on whether I'm programming a radio with encryption or not. That would be nice.
 

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They seem to think my paycheck changes based on whether I'm programming a radio with encryption or not. That would be nice.
You got to remember, many folks who still live with Mom and Dad and don't have to hold a job forget that when one does, they have to do what they are told by a real employer and not Dad withholding the allowance or turning off the wi-fi for not doing the chores.

I always get a chuckle out of the "Constitutional Rights" response though.
 

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Just because you get a paycheck is no reason to trample the Constitution. But alas, throw a little money at people and they will sing the praises of tyranny. Enjoy your "adult beverage", should be an adult first though and think with your brain instead of your wallet.
What in the Haloperidol does this even mean?
 

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Where in the Constitution does it say that monitoring public safety communications is a right?
Right after the part that says "You have the right to cable TV; You have the right to paint the walls - no loud colors..." Oh, wait; that's the Miranda According to Officer Carey Mahoney.
 

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Where in the Constitution does it say that monitoring public safety communications is a right?
It doesn't. That's in the coverage of the first document our founding fathers threw in the face of England. The Declaration of Independence. Falls under the "Pursuit of Happiness", but is not in the purview of the legal areas of any court. So matters not. But you could also ask to be shown where the constitution lays out anything about protections of public safety officers, aka law enforcement, originally peace officers, or the operations thereof. Including radiotelephony usages. Good luck, not there either! ECPA et al not part of the Constitution at all, being the FCC is just another money gathering device of over inflated egos parading as an "regulatory agency" about as useless as the Fed, and Dept. Of Education, the EPA...... He'll, the ECPA really only got teeth to help protect illegal communications of our elected overseers once known as duly elected representatives in the offices of CONgress. Con the real active part on purpose!
 
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I fail to see what is so difficult to understand here.

You're allowed to tune your receiver to listen to whatever frequency/s you wish.

Users of said frequency/s are generally under no obligation to provide you with a signal you can listen to.

Find something in the clear to monitor and use the ballot.
 

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Just because you get a paycheck is no reason to trample the Constitution. But alas, throw a little money at people and they will sing the praises of tyranny. Enjoy your "adult beverage", should be an adult first though and think with your brain instead of your wallet.
Your case was fought in the late 1980's early 1990's when content providers HBO ect encrypted satellite signals to protect their signals from the home satellite receivers. The FCC ruling stated you could receive any clear unencrypted signal that fell on your property but not the encrypted ones. This is no different you have no rights to hear signals the owners do not want you to hear.
 

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Your case was fought in the late 1980's early 1990's when content providers HBO ect encrypted satellite signals to protect their signals from the home satellite receivers. The FCC ruling stated you could receive any clear unencrypted signal that fell on your property but not the encrypted ones. This is no different you have no rights to hear signals the owners do not want you to hear.
Unless it was a cellphone signal, whch were analog/unencrypted in those days. The Electronic Communications Privacy Act (1986?) made it illegal to monitor them and to sell equipment that could receive those frequency ranges.
 

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Your case was fought in the late 1980's early 1990's when content providers HBO ect encrypted satellite signals to protect their signals from the home satellite receivers. The FCC ruling stated you could receive any clear unencrypted signal that fell on your property but not the encrypted ones. This is no different you have no rights to hear signals the owners do not want you to hear.
I agree with you…..as it applies to a private entity! That’s THEIR intellectual property (IP) and they’re entitled to that protection. However, the infrastructure in this particular case is one in which the taxpayer is footing the bill for so it’s a little difficult for you to make your case using that same criteria. It’s the dispatch channels or frequencies rather than their TAC, SWAT or narcotics counterparts that so many of us are concerned over. Hell, I’d be plenty satisfied if the dispatch channels were made available to the general public on a 20-30 minute delay, (i.e Chicago PD) IF that’s the only option available. When a law enforcement agency announces that they’re about to serve a warrant in short order, then obviously it shouldn’t be done in real time on a dispatch channel, UNLESS a 20-30 minute delay policy is already in place. Cheap downloadable scanner apps have (predictably) come back to bite us in the ass. That horse has already left the barn and there’s no putting the genie back in the bottle. Call it a compromise (i.e. “give and take”) and one in which both sides can easily live with, albeit some minor teeth grinding!
 
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Hell, I’d be plenty satisfied if the dispatch channels were made available to the general public on a 20-30 minute delay, (i.e Chicago PD) IF that’s the only option available.

And this is what people should be fighting for, not demanding that encryption be outlawed due to some misunderstanding of the constitution.

However, simply delaying the audio does not satisfy the federal requirements that CJI/PII be protected "in all forms and at all time".

California Highway Patrol has a pretty good system of streaming CAD data to the web. They've figured out how to remove PII/CJI and still stream live data to their online CAD page:
 

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With CAD, you don't put specific things, just the basics. The nitty gritty goes elsewhere. It's just a matter of training on procedures. Just like it could be simple on radio. But that adds effort that most agencies just won't take extra steps. I get it, I'm all for KISS. There used to be separate channels for Dispatch, and information etc. A lot of agencies here still do it.... But a lot won't anymore and just go on the one channel. Some can't of course.
 

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"I agree with you…..as it applies to a private entity! That’s THEIR intellectual property (IP) and they’re entitled to that protection. However, the infrastructure in this particular case is one in which the taxpayer is footing the bill for so it’s a little difficult for you to make your case using that same criteria. "

So in this same respect you can just hop in any police car or fire engine and drive off as your tax dollars pay for it and it is yours to use.. It dont work like that
 
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