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Well if it has ASK in it the only thing you could have done is either A program as conventional and scan all the voice channels or B got some software from another site to clear out the ASK etc. also that software does not require a system key.
 

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Well if it has ASK in it the only thing you could have done is either A program as conventional and scan all the voice channels or B got some software from another site to clear out the ASK etc. also that software does not require a system key.
Took the 'got software from another site' route. But I am working on methods to do it without D**** software, but progress is very slow because it is not high on my priority list
 

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IIRC, Motorola implemented this feature early into the ASTRO25 radios because users scanning both conventional and trunked personalities in the same scanlist would be constantly affiliating and unaffiliating from the system every time a channel grant was broadcast and the scan delay timer expired, and it was overloading the system. P25 can only output 40 single TSBKs per second, and even less on a multi-block system, so having the datastream saturated with unit registration requests and the subscribers walking over each other is a recipe for disaster.

They found out quickly that only affiliating on PTT when it's receiving from an unaffiliated state on a scan list is the better way to go.

I'm unsure if the original ASTRO 9600 firmware (R06.72) is capable of true NAS.
So Astro Saber/Spectra radios (on a P25 system) cannot do NAS? They always affiliate? Or does that only apply when the scan list also has conventional channels?
 

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As I said in my post you quoted, I am unsure. I do not own any ASTRO equipment with 9600 firmware so I cannot verify.
Oh oops. I misunderstood. I was thinking original Astro 25 firmware (although 6.72 for original wouldn’t make much sense lol). I’ve got an Astro Spectra with 9600 firmware. I’ll hook it to a dummy load and find out.
 

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Guess I’ll never know. The VCO on that AS seems to have pooped the bed. I’m getting periodic FAIL 001s as it tries to scan. Seems like it is not making any attempt to affiliate though (but it also isn’t hearing anything due to being on a dummy load).
 

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I thought the astros would do P25 NAS just as same as its been? As it was mentioned above I seem to recall that early early firmware issue a bug I believe which they would affiliate in scan on every landed trunked channel. If I recall, when I was researching NAS topics going back to the 2000s. The original astro radios had pretty much all its life lived in pre-9600 P25 era. The 9600 firmware was provided as relief until replaced with ASTRO25 XTS/XTL series, to allow these relics on new P25 9600 systems of the early 2000s but it was not a refined firmware and on 6.72 with hardware/software limitations and lacked a few features because of that and only can do 800MHz
 

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I thought the astros would do P25 NAS just as same as its been? As it was mentioned above I seem to recall that early early firmware issue a bug I believe which they would affiliate in scan on every landed trunked channel. If I recall, when I was researching NAS topics going back to the 2000s. The original astro radios had pretty much all its life lived in pre-9600 P25 era. The 9600 firmware was provided as relief until replaced with ASTRO25 XTS/XTL series, to allow these relics on new P25 9600 systems of the early 2000s but it was not a refined firmware and on 6.72 with hardware/software limitations and lacked a few features because of that and only can do 800MHz
Definitely limited when compared to astro 25 radios. Each trunking personality can only have 15 talkgroups (astro 25 is 48 per), only one P25 channel ID per system, I think like 63 control channels which sounds like a lot but that's half or less of Astro 25 if I remember right. And yeah other features missing too. I think maybe the Astro Spectras might have supported 9600 on non-800 MHz? But I know the handhelds definitely do not.
 
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