Unitrunker Unitrunker 2.1

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

Hi,

Today we will be taking a look at a few P25 control channel OSP messages seen on the Saskatchewan PPSTN.

Looking at the first message we can see the opcode is 0x95 and that is followed the MFID 00.
These are then followed by: 01 00 00 00 = FNE ID 16777216.
It would be great if Unitrunker 2 could display this FNE ID and then I could add a label to it.

-95 00 01 00 00 00 01 21 C2 DA D7 BD SNDCP Data Page Request DAC 0001 Target ID 21C2DA DAC (data group) C2DA
-94 00 01 00 DB 02 CD 21 C2 DA 67 FB SNDCP Data Channel Grant ID 21C2DA TX 0-0DB(139.09500) RX 0-2CD(141.58500)
-94 00 01 00 DB 02 CD 21 C2 DA 67 FB SNDCP Data Channel Grant ID 21C2DA TX 0-0DB(139.09500) RX 0-2CD(141.58500)


-95 00 01 00 00 00 01 21 C2 D2 56 B5 SNDCP Data Page Request DAC 0001 Target ID 21C2D2 DAC (data group) C2D2
-94 00 01 00 DB 02 CD 21 C2 D2 E6 F3 SNDCP Data Channel Grant ID 21C2D2 TX 0-0DB(139.09500) RX 0-2CD(141.58500)
-94 00 01 00 DB 02 CD 21 C2 D2 E6 F3 SNDCP Data Channel Grant ID 21C2D2 TX 0-0DB(139.09500) RX 0-2CD(141.58500)


-95 00 01 00 00 00 01 21 C2 D2 56 B5 SNDCP Data Page Request DAC 0001 Target ID 21C2D2 DAC (data group) C2D2
-94 00 01 00 5D 03 7B 21 C2 D2 C3 2B SNDCP Data Channel Grant ID 21C2D2 TX 0-05D(138.46500) RX 0-37B(142.45500)
-94 00 01 00 5D 03 7B 21 C2 D2 C3 2B SNDCP Data Channel Grant ID 21C2D2 TX 0-05D(138.46500) RX 0-37B(142.45500)


Prior to every 0x95 message seen on the control channel an opcode 0x92 ISP message like this one is sent by an SU.
opcode 0x92 = Unit Data Channel Request, 00 01 00 01 00 = FNE ID 16777472, 00 21 C1 05 = RID 2212101, 97 92 = CRC.

The opcode 0x95 OSP message from the control channel appears to be a "response message" to the 0x92 ISP "request" message.

Following the final 0x94 message an SU will then send a 0x93 ISP message like this one.
opcode 0x93 = Unit Cancel Data Service Request, 00 01, 20=Terminate Resource Assignment, 00 01 00, 21 C2 B1 = RID 2212529, A7 4A = CRC.



I would like to thank Rick for his recent work updating Unitrunker 2 to display the opcode 0x98 message sent by the Saskatchewan PPSTN.

Those control channel messages now look like this:

-A0 00 98 00 FF FF FD 21 C1 03 F0 02 Acknowledge Response of Status Update Request for I 21C103 to I FFFFFD
-98 00 01 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 03 F8 5A Status Update FFFFFC -> 21C103 Msg 0100
-A0 00 98 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 03 86 B6 Acknowledge Response of Status Update Request for I 21C103 to I FFFFFC
-A0 00 98 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 03 86 B6 Acknowledge Response of Status Update Request for I 21C103 to I FFFFFC

Unitrunker 2 now displays the FNE ID 16777215 and so I was able to add a label to it.

Cheers to you Rick!

Thank you!

 

[Unitrunker2]

Looking at the first message we can see the opcode is 0x95 and that is followed the MFID 00.
These are then followed by: 01 00 00 00 = FNE ID 16777216.
It would be great if Unitrunker 2 could display this FNE ID and then I could add a label to it.

I don't think that's a valid ID. That would 25 bits long. The size of the field is 24 bits.

 

[GTR8000]

P25 ID range tops out at 16777215, and the last few are generally reserved for system functions, not subscribers.

 

[ThePhotoGuy]

I just downloaded the Unitrunker version 2. I have been using Version 1 for a very long time. Is there any way I can transfer the RIDS/Systems data from V1 to V2?

 

[ThePhotoGuy]

I just downloaded the Unitrunker version 2. I have been using Version 1 for a very long time. Is there any way I can transfer the RIDS/Systems data from V1 to V2?

I copied over the .XML file from Version 1 and it moved all the data over.

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

Ok, thank you Rick, for helping me with what I had thought was an FNE ID.

Today we will be looking at Harris Super-Patches and their status on the Saskatchewan PPSTN.

Unitrunker 2 is showing the unencrypted Harris Super-Patches. Key-ID=00, 80=open
These Super-Patches were seen in both the calls and patches windows.
-B0 A4 78 07 FB 00 00 80 00 98 EE 96 Harris Patch Super 07FB adds G 0098 status 78
-B0 A4 78 07 FB 00 00 80 00 99 FE B7 Harris Patch Super 07FB adds G 0099 status 78
-B0 A4 78 07 FB 00 00 80 00 9A CE D4 Harris Patch Super 07FB adds G 009A status 78
-B0 A4 78 07 FB 00 00 80 00 9B DE F5 Harris Patch Super 07FB adds G 009B status 78
-B0 A4 00 07 FB 00 00 00 00 00 79 AB Patch Super 07FB drops all status 00
-B0 A4 00 07 FB 00 00 00 00 00 79 AB Patch Super 07FB drops all status 00
-B0 A4 00 07 FB 00 00 00 00 00 79 AB Patch Super 07FB drops all status 00

Unitrunker 2 is not showing the encrypted Harris Super-Patches. Key-ID=0037, ALG-ID=84=AES.
These messages were found in the logging file, but nothing was seen in the calls or patches windows.
-B0 A4 6A 07 F7 00 37 84 00 42 9C 54 Harris Patch Super 07F7 drops G 0042 status 6A
-B0 A4 6A 07 F7 00 37 84 00 3E 23 4F Harris Patch Super 07F7 drops G 003E status 6A
-B0 A4 6A 07 F7 00 37 84 00 42 9C 54 Harris Patch Super 07F7 drops G 0042 status 6A
-B0 A4 6A 07 F7 00 37 84 00 3E 23 4F Harris Patch Super 07F7 drops G 003E status 6A
-B0 A4 00 07 F7 00 00 00 00 00 72 48 Harris Patch Super 07F7 drops all status 00
-B0 A4 00 07 F7 00 00 00 00 00 72 48 Harris Patch Super 07F7 drops all status 00
-B0 A4 00 07 F7 00 00 00 00 00 72 48 Harris Patch Super 07F7 drops all status 00

We can see that the unencrypted patch shows "adds" for these messages and the encrypted patch shows "drops" for these messages.

Now we will be looking at the status of these Harris Super-Patches.

PPSTN Super-Patch IDs are from 2030 to 2050.
Unitrunker 2 shows the third octet as, "status", but is this octet the status?

I decided it was time for me to go back and take a look at all of my PPSTN Super-Patch logging data.

After taking a closer look at the octets in the 3rd, 4th and 5th positions, it was the
relationship between those 3 octets for the patch IDs 2043 and 2044, that first stood out.
-B0 A4 (78) +(07 FB) 00 00 80 00 9B DE F5 Harris Patch Super (07FB) adds G 009B "status 78"
-B0 A4 (79) +(07 FC) 00 37 84 18 51 02 BF Harris Patch Super (07FC) drops G 1851 "status 79"
Then I found more like these in the logging files and those helped with filling in the blanks.

This is what I have come up with so far.

"status" and Super-Patch ID
3rd octet and 4th/5th octets.
61 = 097 and 07EE = 2030 Hits 178
62 = 098 and 07EF = 2031 Hits 185
63 = 099 and 07F0 = 2032 Hits 61
64 = 100 and 07F1 = 2033 Hits 37
65 = 101 and 07F2 = 2034 Hits 145
66 = 102 and 07F3 = 2035 Hits 88
67 = 103 and 07F4 = 2036 Hits 51
68 = 104 and 07F5 = 2037 Hits 113
69 = 105 and 07F6 = 2038 Hits 81
6A = 106 and 07F7 = 2039 Hits 68
75 = 117 and 07F8 = 2040 Hits 67
76 = 118 and 07F9 = 2041 Hits 199
77 = 119 and 07FA = 2042 Hits 130
78 = 126 and 07FB = 2043*Hits 161
79 = 127 and 07FC = 2044*Hits 157
80 = 128 and 07FD = 2045 Hits 78
81 = 129 and 07FE = 2046 Hits 273
82 = 130 and 07FF = 2047 Hits 129
83 = 131 and 0800 = 2048 Hits 15
84 = 132 and 0801 = 2049 Hits 715
8F = 143 and 0802 = 2050 Hits 540

I cannot explain the status jump of 11 (0B) between patch IDs 2039 and 2040 and again between patch IDs 2049 and 2050.
I cannot explain why the status of these patches begins at 61 (97) and ends at 8F (143).

So, the patch ID 2050 has a higher status that the patch ID 2030? Or is it the other way around? See the hit counts.
Is this done so that if 2 or more patches are in use at the same time there will be an order to their priority on the network?

Cheers to you!

 

[Unitrunker2]

We can see that the unencrypted patch shows "adds" for these messages and the encrypted patch shows "drops" for these messages.

A few words on terminology. Unitrunker uses the word "adds" when a group is added to a patch and the word "drops" when a group is removed from a patch - and the phrase "drops all" when a patch is completely cleared.

If the program thinks a patch was dropped, you won't see it. If you think the program is handling Harris style patches incorrectly, please speak up.

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

Hi, Rick

Yes, I do think that Unitrunker 2 is handling Harris Super-Patches incorrectly.

This is an example of a unencrypted Harris Super-Patch that was seen in both the Calls and Patches windows.
This one shows "adds" and so it was displayed by the program.

16:31:43.279 047 7 -B0 A4 78 07 FB 00 00 80 00 9A CE D4 Harris Patch Super 07FB adds G 009A status 78
16:31:43.343 047 7 -B0 A4 78 07 FB 00 00 80 00 9B DE F5 Harris Patch Super 07FB adds G 009B status 78

Now you will see 8 encrypted Harris Super-Patches that were not seen in the Calls or Patches windows.
All 8 show "drops" and all 8 went unseen. In addition to this we can see how the "status" for each patch changes.
The program appears to think that these patches are being dropped when in fact they are being added.

I think that the third octet, I will call the "status octet" is of importance in that when it is 00 the patch drops, but
if this "status octet" is anything but 00 the patch "adds". The octets in the seventh and eighth positions indicate
what I will call the "real status" of the patch being that it is protected or unprotected.

When the the "status octet" along with the two "real status" octets are all 00 the patch in fact "drops" or "drops all" and
then and only then should the patch go unseen in the Calls/Patches windows.

Rick, I believe that you are able to "fix" this Harris patch problem.

The program should also display the talk-groups that are patched together.

March 1, 2024 this was not seen in the Calls and Patches windows of Unitrunker 2.
11:53:39.348 047 7 -B0 A4 6F 07 FC 00 37 84 00 3E A8 53 Harris Patch Super 07FC=2044 drops G 003E=62 status 6F=111
11:53:39.483 047 7 -B0 A4 6F 07 FC 00 37 84 00 38 C8 95 Harris Patch Super 07FC drops G 0038=56 status 6F
12:17:48.121 047 7 -B0 A4 6F 07 FC 00 37 84 00 38 C8 95 Harris Patch Super 07FC drops G 0038 status 6F
12:17:48.221 047 7 -B0 A4 6F 07 FC 00 37 84 00 3E A8 53 Harris Patch Super 07FC drops G 003E status 6F
12:17:48.256 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FC 00 00 00 00 00 B1 EA Harris Patch Super 07FC drops all status 00
12:17:48.289 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FC 00 00 00 00 00 B1 EA Harris Patch Super 07FC drops all status 00
12:17:48.323 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FC 00 00 00 00 00 B1 EA Harris Patch Super 07FC drops all status 00

It appears there was a Harris Patch Super that was missed, and its status must have been 70=112.

March 6, 2024 appeared to be the PPSTN Harris Patch Super testing day.
07:25:11.988 047 7 -B0 A4 71 07 FE 00 37 84 00 4C DE 63 Harris Patch Super 07FE=2046 drops G 004C=76 status 71=113
07:25:12.155 047 7 -B0 A4 71 07 FE 00 37 84 00 D6 FC 90 Harris Patch Super 07FE=2046 drops G 00D6=214 status 71=113
07:26:01.468 047 7 -B0 A4 71 07 FE 00 37 84 00 4C DE 63 Harris Patch Super 07FE drops G 004C status 71
07:26:01.634 047 7 -B0 A4 71 07 FE 00 37 84 00 D6 FC 90 Harris Patch Super 07FE drops G 00D6 status 71
07:26:01.702 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FE 00 00 00 00 00 3A AA Harris Patch Super 07FE drops all status 00
07:26:01.735 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FE 00 00 00 00 00 3A AA Harris Patch Super 07FE drops all status 00
07:26:01.769 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FE 00 00 00 00 00 3A AA Harris Patch Super 07FE drops all status 00
March 6, 2024
08:20:24.110 047 7 -B0 A4 72 07 FF 00 37 84 00 3C 2D 21 Harris Patch Super 07FF=2047 drops G 003C=60 status 72=114
08:20:24.278 047 7 -B0 A4 72 07 FF 00 37 84 00 D8 90 8B Harris Patch Super 07FF=2047 drops G 00D8=216 status 72=114
08:21:44.374 047 7 -B0 A4 72 07 FF 00 37 84 00 3C 2D 21 Harris Patch Super 07FF drops G 003C status 72
08:21:44.540 047 7 -B0 A4 72 07 FF 00 37 84 00 D8 90 8B Harris Patch Super 07FF drops G 00D8 status 72
08:21:44.607 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FF 00 00 00 00 00 7F 0A Harris Patch Super 07FF drops all status 00
08:21:44.641 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FF 00 00 00 00 00 7F 0A Harris Patch Super 07FF drops all status 00
08:21:44.674 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FF 00 00 00 00 00 7F 0A Harris Patch Super 07FF drops all status 00
March 6, 2024
08:35:58.485 047 7 -B0 A4 73 08 00 00 37 84 00 0A E2 31 Harris Patch Super 0800=2048 drops G 000A=10 status 73=115
08:35:58.622 047 7 -B0 A4 73 08 00 00 37 84 00 1C 90 C6 Harris Patch Super 0800=2048 drops G 001C=28 status 73=115
08:36:58.651 047 7 -B0 A4 73 08 00 00 37 84 00 0A E2 31 Harris Patch Super 0800 drops G 000A status 73
08:36:58.786 047 7 -B0 A4 73 08 00 00 37 84 00 1C 90 C6 Harris Patch Super 0800 drops G 001C status 73
08:36:58.884 047 7 -B0 A4 00 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 A1 5C Harris Patch Super 0800 drops all status 00
08:36:58.919 047 7 -B0 A4 00 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 A1 5C Harris Patch Super 0800 drops all status 00
08:36:58.952 047 7 -B0 A4 00 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 A1 5C Harris Patch Super 0800 drops all status 00
March 6, 2024
08:53:22.074 047 7 -B0 A4 74 08 01 00 37 84 00 0E 20 0D Harris Patch Super 0801=2049 drops G 000E=14 status 74=116
08:53:22.206 047 7 -B0 A4 74 08 01 00 37 84 00 72 9F 16 Harris Patch Super 0801=2049 drops G 0072=114 status 74=116
08:54:14.122 047 7 -B0 A4 74 08 01 00 37 84 00 72 9F 16 Harris Patch Super 0801 drops G 0072 status 74
08:54:14.223 047 7 -B0 A4 74 08 01 00 37 84 00 0E 20 0D Harris Patch Super 0801 drops G 000E status 74
08:54:14.325 047 7 -B0 A4 00 08 01 00 00 00 00 00 E4 FC Harris Patch Super 0801 drops all status 00
08:54:14.357 047 7 -B0 A4 00 08 01 00 00 00 00 00 E4 FC Harris Patch Super 0801 drops all status 00
08:54:14.391 047 7 -B0 A4 00 08 01 00 00 00 00 00 E4 FC Harris Patch Super 0801 drops all status 00
March 6, 2024
09:05:17.863 047 7 -B0 A4 75 08 02 00 37 84 00 D7 F3 6A Harris Patch Super 0802=2050 drops G 00D7=215 status 75=117
09:05:17.964 047 7 -B0 A4 75 08 02 00 37 84 00 4C C1 B8 Harris Patch Super 0802=2050 drops G 004C=76 status 75=117
09:06:49.478 047 7 -B0 A4 75 08 02 00 37 84 00 4C C1 B8 Harris Patch Super 0802 drops G 004C status 75
09:06:49.577 047 7 -B0 A4 75 08 02 00 37 84 00 D7 F3 6A Harris Patch Super 0802 drops G 00D7 status 75
09:06:49.678 047 7 -B0 A4 00 08 02 00 00 00 00 00 2A 1C Harris Patch Super 0802 drops all status 00
09:06:49.712 047 7 -B0 A4 00 08 02 00 00 00 00 00 2A 1C Harris Patch Super 0802 drops all status 00
09:06:49.744 047 7 -B0 A4 00 08 02 00 00 00 00 00 2A 1C Harris Patch Super 0802 drops all status 00
March 6, 2024
09:39:46.171 047 7 -B0 A4 76 07 EE 00 37 84 00 0E 6B 79 Harris Patch Super 07EE=2030 drops G 000E=14 status 76=118
09:39:46.403 047 7 -B0 A4 76 07 EE 00 37 84 00 26 CE 13 Harris Patch Super 07EE=2030 drops G 0026=38 status 76=118
09:44:08.462 047 7 -B0 A4 76 07 EE 00 37 84 00 0E 6B 79 Harris Patch Super 07EE drops G 000E status 76
09:44:08.628 047 7 -B0 A4 76 07 EE 00 37 84 00 26 CE 13 Harris Patch Super 07EE drops G 0026 status 76
09:44:08.694 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 EE 00 00 00 00 00 20 2E Harris Patch Super 07EE drops all status 00
09:44:08.729 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 EE 00 00 00 00 00 20 2E Harris Patch Super 07EE drops all status 00
09:44:08.761 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 EE 00 00 00 00 00 20 2E Harris Patch Super 07EE drops all status 00
March 6, 2024
09:48:53.688 047 7 -B0 A4 77 07 EF 00 37 84 00 16 FA 33 Harris Patch Super 07EF=2031 drops G 0016=22 status 77=119
09:48:53.820 047 7 -B0 A4 77 07 EF 00 37 84 00 25 FC 03 Harris Patch Super 07EF=2031 drops G 0025=37 status 77=119
09:49:59.128 047 7 -B0 A4 77 07 EF 00 37 84 00 25 FC 03 Harris Patch Super 07EF drops G 0025 status 77
09:49:59.195 047 7 -B0 A4 77 07 EF 00 37 84 00 16 FA 33 Harris Patch Super 07EF drops G 0016 status 77
09:49:59.262 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 EF 00 00 00 00 00 65 8E Harris Patch Super 07EF drops all status 00
09:49:59.292 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 EF 00 00 00 00 00 65 8E Harris Patch Super 07EF drops all status 00
09:49:59.326 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 EF 00 00 00 00 00 65 8E Harris Patch Super 07EF drops all status 00

Wednesday March 6th was one of those days when I think that someone inside the PPSTN has been reading my most recent posts here at RR.

Cheers.

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

Hi, Rick

These messages and many more like them were seen on the Saskatchewan PPSTN site #71 on Thursday March 7, 2024.

All the local RCMP RIDs did this same thing on this day.

As can be seen, Unitrunker 2 did not show the correct information. I have added some details.

See the screen shots.

RR member Wolffe at Saskatoon has also reported seeing messages like these, but he did not post them for us to see.


11:18:12.513 047 C 37 FD 00 FF FF FC 82 10 04 00 FE 80 Individual Data Channel Grant WACN 00000 Sys 000 ID FFFFFC I FFFFFC -> I 21C112 channel 1-200(0.00000) channel 1-200(0.00000)
11:18:12.513 047 C 00 00 A0 0A FF FF FC 21 C1 12 00 5D (WACN=00A Sys 00A ID 16777212 FNE and RID 2212114 channel (00 5D) = 93 Channel (03 7B) = 891)
11:18:12.513 047 C -03 7B 00 A0 0A 21 C1 12 BC 30 D8 EE (frequency 138.4650 MHz and frequency 142.4550 MHz)

11:18:12.646 047 C 37 FD 00 FF FF FC 82 10 04 00 FE 80 Individual Data Channel Grant WACN 00000 Sys 000 ID FFFFFC I FFFFFC -> I 21C112 channel 1-200(0.00000) channel 1-200(0.00000)
11:18:12.646 047 C 00 00 A0 0A FF FF FC 21 C1 12 00 5D
11:18:12.646 047 C -03 7B 00 A0 0A 21 C1 12 BC 30 D8 EE

11:18:14.082 047 C 37 FD 00 21 C1 12 82 10 44 00 DB 21 Individual Data Channel Grant WACN 00000 Sys 000 ID 21C112 I 21C112 -> I FFFFFC channel F-C00(0.00000) channel F-C00(0.00000)
11:18:14.082 047 C 00 00 A0 0A 21 C1 12 FF FF FC 00 30 (channel (00 30) = 48 and Channel (03 4E) = 846)
11:18:14.082 047 C -03 4E 00 A0 0A FF FF FC F5 C7 CF DC (frequency 138.2400 MHz and frequency 142.2300 MHz)

11:18:14.246 047 C 37 FD 00 21 C1 12 82 10 44 00 DB 21 Individual Data Channel Grant WACN 00000 Sys 000 ID 21C112 I 21C112 -> I FFFFFC channel F-C00(0.00000) channel F-C00(0.00000)
11:18:14.246 047 C 00 00 A0 0A 21 C1 12 FF FF FC 00 30
11:18:14.246 047 C -03 4E 00 A0 0A FF FF FC F5 C7 CF DC

11:18:15.784 047 C 37 FD 00 FF FF FC 82 10 04 00 FE 80 Individual Data Channel Grant WACN 00000 Sys 000 ID FFFFFC I FFFFFC -> I 21C112 channel 1-200(0.00000) channel 1-200(0.00000)
11:18:15.784 047 C 00 00 A0 0A FF FF FC 21 C1 12 00 DB (channel (00 DB) = 219 and channel (02 CD) = 717)
11:18:15.784 047 C -02 CD 00 A0 0A 21 C1 12 A4 8C 9A A1 (frequency 139.0950 MHz and frequency 141.5850 MHz)

11:18:15.915 047 C 37 FD 00 FF FF FC 82 10 04 00 FE 80 Individual Data Channel Grant WACN 00000 Sys 000 ID FFFFFC I FFFFFC -> I 21C112 channel 1-200(0.00000) channel 1-200(0.00000)
11:18:15.915 047 C 00 00 A0 0A FF FF FC 21 C1 12 00 DB
11:18:15.915 047 C -02 CD 00 A0 0A 21 C1 12 A4 8C 9A A1

11:18:20.857 047 C 37 FD 00 FF FF FC 82 10 04 00 FE 80 Individual Data Channel Grant WACN 00000 Sys 000 ID FFFFFC I FFFFFC -> I 21C112 channel 1-200(0.00000) channel 1-200(0.00000)
11:18:20.857 047 C 00 00 A0 0A FF FF FC 21 C1 12 00 30
11:18:20.857 047 C -03 4E 00 A0 0A 21 C1 12 0C 30 76 33

I have saved the logging file from that day.

Your thoughts about what data would have been sent on those voice channels.

OTAP?

Cheers to you Rick!

 

[lwvmobile]

Yes, I do think that Unitrunker 2 is handling Harris Super-Patches incorrectly.

Just FWIW, I posted the nature of Harris patching in the Duke Energy thread, if you want to see how the PDU is documented and read. Just for disclaimer, I didn't look through any of these to see if they are 'interpreted' correctly or not, but figured this is good reference, if needed.

Duke Energy P25 System

Well, looks like it decoded the site id anyways. RMS value is pretty low, so signal on that might be too faint for DSD-FME. The RTL input method build in doesn't do the greatest job at delivering clean signal. You might try adjusting the gain to 0 for auto, that usually works a lot better unless...

forums.radioreference.com

 

[Unitrunker2]

@lwvmobile @Mobby1-Kenobby thank you both. Nearly all P25 in driving distance here is Motorola. I think San Antonio has a Harris system. Will need to drive out so I can test.

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

P25 ID range tops out at 16777215, and the last few are generally reserved for system functions, not subscribers.

Hi, GTR8000:

Thanks for your FNE 16777215 information. I seem to have found it in use on the Saskatchewan PPSTN. It appears to be used for OTAP/OTAR on this system.

How did I find the FNE 16777215?

I had been seeing many new data grants on the Saskatchewan PPSTN on March 7th and 8th. See the screen shot.
As each and every RCMP radio was turned on, many data grants appeared. 6 grants for the portable RIDs, 12 or more for the mobile RIDs.
Municipal policing utilizes the same Harris radios with the same talk-groups and Key IDs, but they were excluded for some reason.

I decided to have a closer look at these messages by utilizing Unitrunker 2.

Take a look at the control channel screen shot and you will see the FNE ID is 16777212.

These are the messages sent on the tower TX voice channel #93=138.4650 MHz. The FNE ID is 16777215.

As can be seen only 9 of the 12 octets from the first block of these multi-block extended messages are displayed by the program.
Unitrunker 2 does not show these 0x0A messages as errors.
Opcode 0x0A=U2U V USR "EXT", MFID A4=Harris, FF FF FC=FNE=16777215 and 21 C1 13=RID=2212115=portable FQ2.
It appears that Unitrunker 2 sees the opcode 0x23 messages as errors.

19:03:13.409 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok) 9 octets, no 10th, no CRC, and the extension is not seen.
19:03:13.446 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:13.480 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:13.544 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:13.578 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:13.613 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:13.678 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
opcode 0x23=CAN SRV REQ, RID 2212115=FQ2, 80 00=unprotected, extended message is seen.
19:03:13.711 047 C E 23 08 00 21 C1 13 80 00 00 00 44 75
19:03:13.711 047 C E 6F 5D 74 92 73 69 6D 7A 7D 65 A2 2F
19:03:13.780 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok) extension is not seen.
19:03:13.845 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:13.880 047 F LC 4F 00 00 00 00 00 21 C1 13 Call Termination / Cancellation I 21C113 ok
19:03:13.945 047 F LC 4F 00 00 00 00 00 21 C1 13 Call Termination / Cancellation I 21C113 ok
19:03:13.979 047 F LC 4F 00 00 00 00 00 21 C1 13 Call Termination / Cancellation I 21C113 ok
19:03:14.013 047 F LC 4F 00 00 00 00 00 21 C1 13 Call Termination / Cancellation I 21C113 ok
19:03:18.318 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok) extension is not seen.
19:03:18.387 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:18.451 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:18.486 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:18.521 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:18.587 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:18.621 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:18.652 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:18.718 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:18.753 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
opcode 0x23=CAN SRV REQ, RID 2212115=FQ2 80 00=unprotected, extended message is seen.
19:03:18.818 047 C E 23 08 00 21 C1 13 80 00 00 00 44 75
19:03:18.818 047 C E 6F 5D 74 92 73 69 6D 7A 7D 65 A2 2F
19:03:18.884 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok) extension is not seen.
19:03:18.921 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:18.987 047 F LC 4F 00 00 00 00 00 21 C1 13 Call Termination / Cancellation I 21C113 ok
19:03:19.020 047 F LC 4F 00 00 00 00 00 21 C1 13 Call Termination / Cancellation I 21C113 ok
19:03:19.056 047 F LC 4F 00 00 00 00 00 21 C1 13 Call Termination / Cancellation I 21C113 ok
19:03:19.118 047 F LC 4F 00 00 00 00 00 21 C1 13 Call Termination / Cancellation I 21C113 ok
19:03:22.624 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok) extension is not seen.
19:03:22.657 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:22.692 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:22.759 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:22.793 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:22.827 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:22.891 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:22.928 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:22.960 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:23.027 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
opcode 0x23=CAN SRV REQ, RID 2212115=FQ2 80 00=unprotected, extended message is seen.
19:03:23.060 047 C E 23 08 00 21 C1 13 80 00 00 00 44 75
19:03:23.060 047 C E 6F 5D 74 92 73 69 6D 7A 7D 65 A2 2F
19:03:23.159 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok) extension is not seen.
19:03:23.192 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:23.226 047 F LC 4F 00 00 00 00 00 21 C1 13 Call Termination / Cancellation I 21C113 ok
19:03:23.292 047 F LC 4F 00 00 00 00 00 21 C1 13 Call Termination / Cancellation I 21C113 ok
19:03:23.325 047 F LC 4F 00 00 00 00 00 21 C1 13 Call Termination / Cancellation I 21C113 ok
19:03:23.361 047 F LC 4F 00 00 00 00 00 21 C1 13 Call Termination / Cancellation I 21C113 ok
19:03:25.631 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok) extension is not seen.
19:03:25.665 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:25.728 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:25.762 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:25.796 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:25.863 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:25.898 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:25.932 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:25.996 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:26.032 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:26.065 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
opcode 0x23=CAN SRV REQ, RID 2212115=FQ2 80 00=unprotected, extended message is seen.
19:03:26.132 047 C E 23 08 00 21 C1 13 80 00 00 00 44 75
19:03:26.132 047 C E 6F 5D 74 92 73 69 6D 5A 7D 65 A2 2F
19:03:26.200 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok) extension is not seen.
19:03:26.233 047 F LC 0A A4 00 FF FF FC 21 C1 13 Reserved (ok)
19:03:26.297 047 F LC 4F 00 00 00 00 00 21 C1 13 Call Termination / Cancellation I 21C113 ok
19:03:26.333 047 F LC 4F 00 00 00 00 00 21 C1 13 Call Termination / Cancellation I 21C113 ok
19:03:26.396 047 F LC 4F 00 00 00 00 00 21 C1 13 Call Termination / Cancellation I 21C113 ok
19:03:26.430 047 F LC 4F 00 00 00 00 00 21 C1 13 Call Termination / Cancellation I 21C113 ok

I believe that the unseen part of these messages could very well be OTAP or OTAR messaging being sent by FNE ID 16777215.

Cheers to GTR8000:

 

[Unitrunker2]

Opcode 0x0A=U2U V USR "EXT", MFID A4=Harris, FF FF FC=FNE=16777215 and 21 C1 13=RID=2212115=portable FQ2.

Thank you for sharing. Some minor points:

My hex calculator says FFFFFC is 16777212.

Beware these are link control messages (see the "LC" prefix) found on traffic channels which are structured slightly different from TSBKs found on the control channel.

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

Rick, I thank for the help with the FNE hex and those LC messages.


Next, I must also thank RR member lwvmobile for providing us with the TIA documentation about the Harris super-group patches.

Now we will be taking a look "inside" those Saskatchewan PPSTN Super-Group Patches.
Harris Group Regroup (GRG) Explicit Encryption Commands.

Octet 0=opcode=BO=1011 0000=SUP GRP PCH.
Octet 1=MFID=A4=1010 0100=Harris.

Octet 2 is the GRG. Below are the GRG options recently seen on the PPSTN. Bits 7, 6 and 5 were always the same.
GRG-Option is 6A=0110 1010<-Bit count is right to left start Bit is 0 and left-most is Bit 7.
GRG-Option is 6F=0110 1111
GRG-Option is 70=0111 0000
GRG-Option is 71=0111 0001
GRG-Option is 72=0111 0010
GRG-Option is 73=0111 0011
GRG-Option is 74=0111 0100
GRG-Option is 75=0111 0101
GRG-Option is 76=0111 0110
GRG-Option is 77=0111 0111
GRG-Option is 78=0111 1000
GRG-Option is 79=0111 1001
Bit 7=0=Type=Two-way Regroup (patch).
Bit 6=1=Group address.
Bit 5=1=Activate SP-WGID; associate with WGID.(If Bit 5=0=Deactivate SP-WGID)
Bits 4-0=SSN=Super-group Sequence Number. Unique identifier for this SP-WGID.

Octets 3 and 4 are the PPSTN super-group address.
07EE=2030
07EF=2031
07F0=2032
07F1=2033
07F2=2034
07F3=2035
07F4=2036
07F5=2037
07F6=2038
07F7=2039
07F8=2040
07F9=2041
07FA=2042
07FB=2043
07FC=2044
07FD=2045
07FE=2046
07FF=2047
0800=2048
0801=2049
0802=2050

Octets 5 and 6 are the Key ID used for super-patches on the PPSTN.
00 00=No Key ID
00 37=the Key ID

Octet 7 is ALGID
80=Unencrypted
84=AES=encryption

Octets 8 and 9 are the Talk-group.
Octets 10 and 11 are TSBK/CRC.


At this point I will go back and take another look at octet 2, the GRG.
Rick, I think that this just may be the Unitrunker 2 Harris Super-Patch (Adds) fix for the PPSTN.

If octet 2 is 60 to 79=two-way regroup, address, activate. (Adds)
If octet 2 is 6A to 6F=two-way regroup, address, activate. (Adds)
If octet 2 is 7A to 7F=two-way regroup, address, activate. (Adds)

If octet 2 is 40 to 59=two-way regroup, address, deactivate. (Drops)
If octet 2 is 4A to 4F=two-way regroup, address, deactivate. (Drops)
If octet 2 is 5A to 5F=two-way regroup, address, deactivate. (Drops)

It's all in the "status octet".


The commands seen to deactivate super-group patches on the PPSTN.
Each message is sent 3 times and then the patch is gone.
Octet 0 Opcode=BO=1011 0000=SUP GRP PCH.
Octet 1 MFID is A4=1010 0100=Harris.
Octet 2 is the GRG option=00=nothing (Drops All).
Octets 3 and 4 are the PPSTN super-group address.
Octets 5 and 6 are the Key ID=00 00=nothing.
Octet 7 is ALGID=00=nothing.
Octets 8 and 9 are the Talk-group=00 00=nothing.
Octets 10 and 11 are TSBK/CRC.

B0 A4 00 07 FB 00 00 00 00 00 79 AB
B0 A4 00 07 FC 00 00 00 00 00 B1 EA
B0 A4 00 07 FE 00 00 00 00 00 3A AA
B0 A4 00 07 FF 00 00 00 00 00 7F 0A
B0 A4 00 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 A1 5C
B0 A4 00 08 01 00 00 00 00 00 E4 FC
B0 A4 00 08 02 00 00 00 00 00 2A 1C
B0 A4 00 07 EE 00 00 00 00 00 20 2E
B0 A4 00 07 EF 00 00 00 00 00 65 8E


Cheers to lwvmobile.

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

Hi, Rick

I hope this post will be of some additional help with the fix for the Harris SG-Patches.

The MFID A4 Harris Group Regroup (GRG).
This option is for a Two-way Regroup (patch), Group Address, Activate/Deactivate, and their Super-Group Sequence Numbers (32).

0110 0000=60=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=0
0100 0000=40=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=0
0110 0001=61=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=1
0101 0001=41=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=1
0110 0010=62=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=2
0100 0010=42=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=2
0110 0011=63=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=3
0100 0011=43=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=3
0110 0100=64=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=4
0100 0100=44=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=4
0110 0101=65=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=5
0100 0101=45=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=5
0110 0110=66=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=6
0100 0110=46=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=6
0110 0111=67=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=7
0100 0111=47=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=7
0110 1000=68=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=8
0100 1000=48=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=8
0110 1001=69=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=9
0100 1001=49=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=9
0110 1010=6A=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=A=10
0100 1010=4A=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=A=10
0110 1011=6B=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=B=11
0100 1011=4B=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=B=11
0110 1100=6C=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=C=12
0100 1100=4C=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=C=12
0110 1101=6D=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=D=13
0100 1100=4D=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=D=13
0110 1110=6E=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=E=14
0100 1110=4E=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=E=14
0110 1111=6F=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=F=15
0100 1111=4F=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=F=15
0101 0000=70=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=10=16
0101 0000=50=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=10=16
0111 0001=71=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=11=17
0101 0001=51=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=11=17
0111 0010=72=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=12=18
0101 0010=52=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=12=18
0111 0011=73=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=13=19
0101 0011=53=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=13=19
0111 0100=74=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=14=20
0101 0100=54=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=14=20
0111 0101=75=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=15=21
0101 0000=55=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=15=21
0111 0110=76=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=16=22
0101 0110=56=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=16=22
0111 0111=77=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=17=23
0101 0111=57=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=17=23
0111 1000=78=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=18=24
0101 1000=58=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=18=24
0111 1001=79=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=19=25
0101 1001=59=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=19=25
0111 1010=7A=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=1A=26
0101 1010=5A=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=1A=26
0111 1011=7B=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=1B=27
0101 1011=5B=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=1B=27
0111 1100=7C=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=1C=28
0101 1100=5C=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=1C=28
0111 1101=7D=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=1D=29
0101 1101=5D=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=1D=29
0111 1110=7E=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=1E=30
0101 1110=5E=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=1E=30
0111 1111=7F=two-way regroup, group address, activate, SSN=1F=31
0101 1111=5F=two-way regroup, group address, deactivate, SSN=1F=31

You may not have to drive all the way to San Antonio after all.

Cheers!

 

[Unitrunker2]

You may not have to drive all the way to San Antonio after all.

Too late but thank you.

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

Hi, Rick

I thank you for your recent update to Unitrunker 2 Version 2.1.0.108, for the Harris Super-Patches.

Very nice work! See the screen shots.

This is what the logging file shows for the Saskatchewan PPSTN.

March 19, 2024. HSP 2039, TGs are Unity EMS 1 and North Battleford EMS 1.
12:01:09.730 047 7 -B0 A4 6A 07 F7 00 00 80 15 2F 7C DD Harris Patch Super 07F7=2039 adds G 152F=5423 sequence 10 algid 80 keyid 0000
12:01:09.862 047 7 -B0 A4 6A 07 F7 00 00 80 14 BD EC 17 Harris Patch Super 07F7=2039 adds G 14BD=5309 sequence 10 algid 80 keyid 0000
12:34:38.337 047 7 -B0 A4 6A 07 F7 00 00 80 14 BD EC 17 Harris Patch Super 07F7 adds G 14BD sequence 10 algid 80 keyid 0000
12:34:38.439 047 7 -B0 A4 6A 07 F7 00 00 80 15 2F 7C DD Harris Patch Super 07F7 adds G 152F sequence 10 algid 80 keyid 0000
12:34:38.505 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 F7 00 00 00 00 00 72 48 Harris Patch Super 07F7 cleared
12:34:38.537 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 F7 00 00 00 00 00 72 48 Harris Patch Super 07F7 cleared
12:34:38.572 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 F7 00 00 00 00 00 72 48 Harris Patch Super 07F7 cleared
March 20, 2024. HSP 2040, TGs are CBSA/IBET-TAC-2 and RCMP Regina.
08:15:47.994 047 7 -B0 A4 6B 07 F8 00 37 84 00 22 72 22 Harris Patch Super 07F8=2040 adds G 0022=34 sequence 11 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:15:48.061 047 7 -B0 A4 6B 07 F8 00 37 84 00 0A D7 48 Harris Patch Super 07F8=4040 adds G 000A=10 sequence 11 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:16:54.001 047 7 -B0 A4 6B 07 F8 00 37 84 00 22 72 22 Harris Patch Super 07F8 adds G 0022 sequence 11 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:16:54.102 047 7 -B0 A4 6B 07 F8 00 37 84 00 0A D7 48 Harris Patch Super 07F8 adds G 000A sequence 11 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:16:54.200 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 F8 00 00 00 00 00 B7 4B Harris Patch Super 07F8 cleared
08:16:54.236 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 F8 00 00 00 00 00 B7 4B Harris Patch Super 07F8 cleared
08:16:54.266 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 F8 00 00 00 00 00 B7 4B Harris Patch Super 07F8 cleared
March 20, 2024. HSP 2041, TGs are ERT2 and RCMP Rgina.
08:17:56.235 047 7 -B0 A4 6C 07 F9 00 37 84 00 1C 27 07 Harris Patch Super 07F9=2041 adds G 001C=28 sequence 12 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:17:56.334 047 7 -B0 A4 6C 07 F9 00 37 84 00 0A 55 F0 Harris Patch Super 07F9=2041 adds G 000A=10 sequence 12 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:19:00.072 047 7 -B0 A4 6C 07 F9 00 37 84 00 0A 55 F0 Harris Patch Super 07F9 adds G 000A sequence 12 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:19:00.205 047 7 -B0 A4 6C 07 F9 00 37 84 00 1C 27 07 Harris Patch Super 07F9 adds G 001C sequence 12 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:19:00.238 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 F9 00 00 00 00 00 F2 EB Harris Patch Super 07F9 cleared
08:19:00.272 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 F9 00 00 00 00 00 F2 EB Harris Patch Super 07F9 cleared
08:19:00.304 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 F9 00 00 00 00 00 F2 EB Harris Patch Super 07F9 cleared
March 20, 2024. HSP 2042, TGs are RCMP Regina and RCMP Waskesiu.
08:20:39.032 047 7 -B0 A4 6D 07 FA 00 37 84 00 0A DC C3 Harris Patch Super 07FA=2042 adds G 000A=10 sequence 13 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:20:39.197 047 7 -B0 A4 6D 07 FA 00 37 84 00 42 15 0F Harris Patch Super 07FA=2042 adds G 0042=66 sequence 13 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:21:15.758 047 7 -B0 A4 6D 07 FA 00 37 84 00 0A DC C3 Harris Patch Super 07FA adds G 000A sequence 13 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:21:15.892 047 7 -B0 A4 6D 07 FA 00 37 84 00 42 15 0F Harris Patch Super 07FA adds G 0042 sequence 13 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:21:15.923 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FA 00 00 00 00 00 3C 0B Harris Patch Super 07FA cleared
08:21:15.959 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FA 00 00 00 00 00 3C 0B Harris Patch Super 07FA cleared
08:21:16.024 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FA 00 00 00 00 00 3C 0B Harris Patch Super 07FA cleared
March 20, 2024 HSP 2043 TGs are WEST-2 Saskatoon and RCMP Regina.
08:25:29.232 047 7 -B0 A4 6E 07 FB 00 37 84 00 0A 51 16 Harris Patch Super 07FB=2043 adds G 000A=10 sequence 14 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:25:29.368 047 7 -B0 A4 6E 07 FB 00 37 84 00 D7 4B C6 Harris Patch Super 07FB=2043 adds G 00D7=215 sequence 14 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:26:00.316 047 7 -B0 A4 6E 07 FB 00 37 84 00 D7 4B C6 Harris Patch Super 07FB adds G 00D7 sequence 14 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:26:00.382 047 7 -B0 A4 6E 07 FB 00 37 84 00 0A 51 16 Harris Patch Super 07FB adds G 000A sequence 14 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:26:00.517 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FB 00 00 00 00 00 79 AB Harris Patch Super 07FB cleared
08:26:00.584 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FB 00 00 00 00 00 79 AB Harris Patch Super 07FB cleared
08:26:00.616 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FB 00 00 00 00 00 79 AB Harris Patch Super 07FB cleared
March 20, 2024, HSP 2044 TGs are WEST-3 Saskatoon and RCMP Regina.
08:28:47.218 047 7 -B0 A4 6F 07 FC 00 37 84 00 D8 35 BB Harris Patch Super 07FC=2044 adds G 00D8=216 sequence 15 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:28:47.321 047 7 -B0 A4 6F 07 FC 00 37 84 00 0A DE 84 Harris Patch Super 07FC=2044 adds G 000A=10 sequence 15 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:30:05.312 047 7 -B0 A4 6F 07 FC 00 37 84 00 0A DE 84 Harris Patch Super 07FC adds G 000A sequence 15 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:30:05.445 047 7 -B0 A4 6F 07 FC 00 37 84 00 D8 35 BB Harris Patch Super 07FC adds G 00D8 sequence 15 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:30:05.546 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FC 00 00 00 00 00 B1 EA Harris Patch Super 07FC cleared
08:30:05.579 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FC 00 00 00 00 00 B1 EA Harris Patch Super 07FC cleared
08:30:05.614 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FC 00 00 00 00 00 B1 EA Harris Patch Super 07FC cleared
March 20, 2024. HSP 2045 TGs are RCMP Regina and WEST-1 Saskatoon.
08:32:23.302 047 7 -B0 A4 70 07 FD 00 37 84 00 0A 7F 52 Harris Patch Super 07FD=2045 adds G 000A=10 sequence 16 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:32:23.436 047 7 -B0 A4 70 07 FD 00 37 84 00 D6 75 A3 Harris Patch Super 07FD=2045 adds G 00D6=214 sequence 16 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:33:13.115 047 7 -B0 A4 70 07 FD 00 37 84 00 D6 75 A3 Harris Patch Super 07FD adds G 00D6 sequence 16 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:33:13.217 047 7 -B0 A4 70 07 FD 00 37 84 00 0A 7F 52 Harris Patch Super 07FD adds G 000A sequence 16 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:33:13.316 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FD 00 00 00 00 00 F4 4A Harris Patch Super 07FD cleared
08:33:13.348 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FD 00 00 00 00 00 F4 4A Harris Patch Super 07FD cleared
08:33:13.384 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FD 00 00 00 00 00 F4 4A Harris Patch Super 07FD cleared
March 20, 2024. ASP 2046 TGs are Link to SE Manitoba (Roblin) RCMP and Regina RCMP.
08:35:02.426 047 7 -B0 A4 71 07 FE 00 37 84 00 72 09 FE Harris Patch Super 07FE=2046 adds G 0072 sequence 17 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:35:02.525 047 7 -B0 A4 71 07 FE 00 37 84 00 0A F6 61 Harris Patch Super 07FE=2046 adds G 000A sequence 17 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:35:34.212 047 7 -B0 A4 71 07 FE 00 37 84 00 0A F6 61 Harris Patch Super 07FE adds G 000A sequence 17 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:35:34.344 047 7 -B0 A4 71 07 FE 00 37 84 00 72 09 FE Harris Patch Super 07FE adds G 0072 sequence 17 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:35:34.411 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FE 00 00 00 00 00 3A AA Harris Patch Super 07FE cleared
08:35:34.443 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FE 00 00 00 00 00 3A AA Harris Patch Super 07FE cleared
08:35:34.478 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FE 00 00 00 00 00 3A AA Harris Patch Super 07FE cleared
March 20, 2024. HSP 2047 TGs are Assiniboia RCMP and CBSA/IBET TAC-4.
08:42:29.615 047 7 -B0 A4 72 07 FF 00 37 84 00 16 A8 09 Harris Patch Super 07FF=2047 adds G 0016=22 sequence 18 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:42:29.747 047 7 -B0 A4 72 07 FF 00 37 84 00 25 AE 39 Harris Patch Super 07FF=2047 adds G 0025=37 sequence 18 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:43:46.238 047 7 -B0 A4 72 07 FF 00 37 84 00 16 A8 09 Harris Patch Super 07FF adds G 0016 sequence 18 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:43:46.373 047 7 -B0 A4 72 07 FF 00 37 84 00 25 AE 39 Harris Patch Super 07FF adds G 0025 sequence 18 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:43:46.471 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FF 00 00 00 00 00 7F 0A Harris Patch Super 07FF cleared
08:43:46.505 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FF 00 00 00 00 00 7F 0A Harris Patch Super 07FF cleared
08:43:46.540 047 7 -B0 A4 00 07 FF 00 00 00 00 00 7F 0A Harris Patch Super 07FF cleared
March 20, 2024. HSP 2048 TGs are RCMP Carlyle and CBSA/IBIT/IBET
08:48:21.283 047 7 -B0 A4 73 08 00 00 37 84 00 0E A2 B5 Harris Patch Super 0800=2048 adds G 000E=14 sequence 19 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:48:21.417 047 7 -B0 A4 73 08 00 00 37 84 00 25 37 BC Harris Patch Super 0800=2048 adds G 0025=37 sequence 19 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:49:23.849 047 7 -B0 A4 73 08 00 00 37 84 00 0E A2 B5 Harris Patch Super 0800 adds G 000E sequence 19 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:49:23.985 047 7 -B0 A4 73 08 00 00 37 84 00 25 37 BC Harris Patch Super 0800 adds G 0025 sequence 19 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:49:24.017 047 7 -B0 A4 00 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 A1 5C Harris Patch Super 0800 cleared
08:49:24.050 047 7 -B0 A4 00 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 A1 5C Harris Patch Super 0800 cleared
08:49:24.085 047 7 -B0 A4 00 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 A1 5C Harris Patch Super 0800 cleared
March 20, 2024. HSP 2049. TGs are RCMP Carlyle and CBSA/IBIT TAC-6
08:49:54.000 047 7 -B0 A4 74 08 01 00 37 84 00 0E 20 0D Harris Patch Super 0801=2049 adds G 000E=14 sequence 20 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:49:54.132 047 7 -B0 A4 74 08 01 00 37 84 00 26 85 67 Harris Patch Super 0801=2049 adds G 0026=38 sequence 20 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:51:33.894 047 7 -B0 A4 74 08 01 00 37 84 00 26 85 67 Harris Patch Super 0801 adds G 0026 sequence 20 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:51:33.961 047 7 -B0 A4 74 08 01 00 37 84 00 0E 20 0D Harris Patch Super 0801 adds G 000E sequence 20 algid 84 keyid 0037
08:51:34.062 047 7 -B0 A4 00 08 01 00 00 00 00 00 E4 FC Harris Patch Super 0801 cleared
08:51:34.092 047 7 -B0 A4 00 08 01 00 00 00 00 00 E4 FC Harris Patch Super 0801 cleared
08:51:34.126 047 7 -B0 A4 00 08 01 00 00 00 00 00 E4 FC Harris Patch Super 0801 cleared

I really like seeing this.

Looks like the RCMP F-Division wanted to see if you had fixed the program.

Enjoy!

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

Hi, Rick

Unitrunker 2 is adding what I call "Ghost Channels" to Saskatchewan PPSTN sites.
RR member Wolffe in Saskatoon was first to report seeing this and then I began to see this on two PPSTN sites.

You can see below that the program does not decode these "extended" messages from the FNE correctly.
The program sees the message is an (IDCG) Individual Data Channel Grant, but then fails to decode it correctly.

37 FD 00 FF FF FC 82 10 04 00 FE 80
00 00 A0 0A FF FF FC 21 C1 12 00 5D
03 7B 00 A0 0A 21 C1 12 BC 30 D8 EE
FALSE-Individual Data Channel Grant WACN 00000 Sys 000 ID FFFFFC I FFFFFC -> I 21C112 channel 1-200(0.00000) channel 1-200(0.00000)
TRUE-IDCG 00A=WACN, 0A=Syst ID, FNE 16777212, RID 2212114 channel (00 5D)=93=138.4650 MHz,(03 7B)=891=142.4550 MHz=correct decode.

37 FD 00 21 C1 12 82 10 44 00 DB 21
00 00 A0 0A 21 C1 12 FF FF FC 00 30
03 4E 00 A0 0A FF FF FC F5 C7 CF DC
FALSE-Individual Data Channel Grant WACN 00000 Sys 000 ID 21C112 I 21C112 -> I FFFFFC channel F-C00(0.00000) channel F-C00(0.00000)
TRUE-IDCG 00A=WACN, 0A=Syst ID, FNE 16777212, RID 2212114 channel (00 30)=48=138.2400 MHz,(03 4E)=846=142.2300 MHz=correct decode.


37 FD 00 FF FF FC 82 10 04 00 FE 80
00 00 A0 0A FF FF FC 21 C1 12 00 DB
02 CD 00 A0 0A 21 C1 12 A4 8C 9A A1
FALSE-Individual Data Channel Grant WACN 00000 Sys 000 ID FFFFFC I FFFFFC -> I 21C112 channel 1-200(0.00000) channel 1-200(0.00000)
TRUE-IDCG 00A=WACN, 0A=Syst ID, FNE 16777212, RID 2212114 channel ,(00 DB)=219=139.0950 MHz,(02 CD)=141.5850 MHz=correct decode.

Every time Unitrunker 2 incorrectly decodes these messages it adds another "Ghost Channel" to site 71.
These 3 channels are the only correct channels for PPSTN site 71.
We have been deleting the unwanted "Ghost Channels" when we see them.

When you get some time, a fix for this would be great.

Thanks

 

[maus92]

I *believe* that I'm beginning to see simulselect patching on our local L3H P25 system that *may* not have been visible earlier - two tgs joined to a single dynamic tg in the 65xxx range. Not a lot of patching is commonly done on this system so I may have missed it previously, but the Moto P25 and Smartzone systems that I can also receive locally routinely patch tgs together to conserve dispatch resources.

 

[wolffe]

I *believe* that I'm beginning to see simulselect patching on our local L3H P25 system that *may* not have been visible earlier - two tgs joined to a single dynamic tg in the 65xxx range. Not a lot of patching is commonly done on this system so I may have missed it previously, but the Moto P25 and Smartzone systems that I can also receive locally routinely patch tgs together to conserve dispatch resources.

That's interesting, I was thinking that maybe was happening here, but some of the "ghost channels" are 0.0000 mhz and some are in the 2 meter amateur band.

What I have happening are random freqs and some are bleed over from other towers. I have 2 strong towers and I am seeing channels from one being reported on the other.