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Not promising IMHO..

A lot has changed since Whistler purchased the GRE IP and decided it would be a good idea to enter the scanner market..

Radio Shack, which would/should have been a huge distribution network for rebranded Whistler scanners and which would surely have impacted on Whistler's descision to enter the market in the first place, has effectively gone 'belly up'. The closure of thousands of RS stores eliminates any possibility of 'channel stuffing' for Uniden and Whistler but it is likely to hit Whistler the hardest. There also appears to be no firm commitment for the remaining RS stores to continue selling scanners either, particularly after the recent dumping of a large proportion (if not all) of their scanner inventory, including top tier digital scanners.

The economy continues to contract with discretionary (excluding motor vehicles of course) spending still falling.

More agencies are encrypting thier traffic (and lets face it, most people that purchase digital scanners, did/do so to monitor the boys in blue).

And finally the old elephant in the room, online streaming and the ever increasing availability of mobile internet. Is it really worth spending $500 on a digital scanner if you can listen to a (near) live stream on your smartphone in your car, walking your dog or sitting at home?

IMHO, I see little hope that Whistler will still be manufacturing/selling scanners in 2 years time, unless the Radio Shack relationship is repaired and somehow, Whistler manages to develop and produce some amazing new scanner technology that blows Uniden out of the water. The question needs to be asked though, does Whistler have the in-house capability (people), the R&D facilities and the intestinal fortitude, to develop such a device from the ground up? And even if it did, would Whistler ever recoup it's investment in a typical 5 year product lifecycle?
 
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RS is still listing the new RS Whistler built scanners on the website. Local Franchise RS stores are still able to order the new RS Whistler built scanners. I take this as a good sign it was not the new RS/SPRINT owners that trashed the market with $500.00 scanners for $99.00 it was the original RS owners selling off everything they had to get every dollar that was in the warehouse. The RS warehouses have been out of stock on scanners then back in stock where do you think these scanners are coming from the (Radioshack/Sprint) are buying new stock and this works in Whistlers favor. The last question you posted R&D and capability they have at their side a man that Uniden would love to have working for them enough said.
 

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I assume you mean Don. I believe Don does firmware/software, not hardware engineering.
 

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the majority of WS1095 development costs were already borne by GRE prior to their departure. Whistler simply had to get FCC approvals and bring the product to market.
Not so much.

The firmware (never-released PSR-900) required some pretty significant rewrites - it was in bad shape. There were also a few hardware changes needed (mostly due to EOL components).

I believe Don does firmware/software, not hardware engineering.
Mostly firmware/software, but some hardware, too.
 

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If there's no market for Whistler to stay in the scanner business, then who's paying the bills for Uniden to keep designing new scanners?
 

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If there's no market for Whistler to stay in the scanner business, then who's paying the bills for Uniden to keep designing new scanners?

Uniden is having a last gasp at the scanner market IMO.

I don't believe for one moment, that Uniden is making any money out of scanners.
The company is facing major remediation costs over it's x36HP scanners, with potentially thousands of recalls to replace/modify the RTC battery/circuit and fading or failing LCD illumination, not to mention the other items on the firmware 'to do' list, which seems to get longer with each new model that is released.

Scanners are becoming too complicated for the relatively small market to support.
Manufacturers cannot continue selling digital scanners at a $150 profit and then spend $200 or more (with inflation) over the following 5 years supporting the product through recalls and other hidden costs.

As for paying the bills, try going to

http://www.homepatrol.com

Don't shoot the messenger :)
 
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BACK ON TOPIC

This is a WS1095 Update thread, not a scanner doom-n-gloom thread that belongs in the Tavern. Opinions may be valid, but respectfully, can this thread get back on topic??

Back on topic: Anyone have a realistic word on when the 1095 will be in the distribution channels?
 

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Point taken.. I appologize for going OT.

Good luck Whistler, I do hope the scanner venture works out for you.
I may be one of the first that runs out and buys a WS-1095, if for no other reasons than to get a real remote head scanner for my car and to support 'the new guy on the block'.

Time to take my meds :)
 

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And finally the old elephant in the room, online streaming and the ever increasing availability of mobile internet. Is it really worth spending $500 on a digital scanner if you can listen to a (near) live stream on your smartphone in your car, walking your dog or sitting at home?

Has anyone ever explained to you that it takes an actual real radio/scanner to produce that live stream? The traffic isn't magically just fed to the internet.

This is why I think there will always be a market for scanners. Sure, I can set up an old Motorola for conventional services, but it's a little tougher to get a radio programmed (system key for example) for a trunking system. Especially any SmartNet/SmartZone Analog or P25 system. EDACS is a lot easier to deal with. Scanners will always fill that niche, minus the encrypted guys.
 

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Last word was June, so we should be pretty close.

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I hope there in by July 4th
I think this will be the last scanner I buy for a long time.
at $500+ prices and the ever changing radio formats and how quickly
high end scanners become obsolete on some systems
 
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I hope there in by July 4th
I think this will be the last scanner I buy for a long time.
at $500+ prices and the ever changing radio formats and how quickly
high end scanners become obsolete on some systems
Yes. I agree. This will also probably be my last for some time. With the deals I picked up at the Radio Shack store closings I'm actually overstocked now, and with the poor results I have had with the 536 (screen fading out) and good results with a couple HP-2's, I won't be buying anything else made by Uniden for a real long time..

If I didn't really like the PSR-800, I would probably be done now, but I've been looking forward to this radio since it became the PSR-900 plans of GRE. One more radio...this one ... and until something very significant changes the scanner landscape... I will be done.

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Possibly that and the fact that RS are dumping GRE/Whistler high end digital scanners on the market for $100-$150.

Not really a good time for either Uniden or Whistler to be releasing any new high end model at the moment and with hundres of digital scanners being dumped at ridiculous prices into an already saturated market, this is going to take some time to clear through the system.


Might be a good time to bring out something new, if it really is new.

New enough to make people want it over the old models.
 

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I got that email too. I expect that to be pretty much the price for this one. The 1080 has held pretty firm a little over $400.

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Has anyone ever explained to you that it takes an actual real radio/scanner to produce that live stream? The traffic isn't magically just fed to the internet.

This is why I think there will always be a market for scanners. Sure, I can set up an old Motorola for conventional services, but it's a little tougher to get a radio programmed (system key for example) for a trunking system. Especially any SmartNet/SmartZone Analog or P25 system. EDACS is a lot easier to deal with. Scanners will always fill that niche, minus the encrypted guys.

I've used the scanner apps.on IOS/Android/PC/MacOS. They are okay but they rely on your cellular or Internet provider's signal. Network/Wi-fi connection problems often cause dropouts. You also have absolutely no control over the scanner providing the feed and also dependent on their connection (yet another point of failure:). Finally, streams are not available for many areas and often are up one day and down the next.

I'll pay the $500 (often 1/2 that amount on Ebay or RS discount/closeout) for having the convenience and complete control of what I want to listen to and also the comfort of not having to worry about racking up excessive data charges.
 
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