We Need Updated and New Database Information for California

[hotdjdave]

Can anyone verify this information:

FCC Callsign: KMJ448
Licensed to: BAKERSFIELD, CITY OF
Frequency: 155.31000000
Use: --> bakersfield police main dispatch ch 1
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Is it still in use/valid? Or are they using "Dispatch East" for Ch 1 and "Dispatch West" for Ch 2, as indicated in the RR Database?


Thanks!

 

[Duster]

Updated Placer County Fire info

Placer County Fire Districts went to a more standardized numbering system a year or so ago, and I guess it never got posted. Here's what I have so far. There are a couple of gray areas such as the Colfax stations (I never go to Colfax), so if anyone wants to build on this, I'll check back in a few days and post it for updating.

The number in parentheses is the district number from the old numbering system. I think they now call these battalions.


1-14: Roseville City (22)
15-20: South Placer Fire District (26)
23-26: Rocklin City (21)
28: Loomis (18) (I don't know the number of their second (vol) station; likely 27 or 29)
30-32: Colfax City, Iowa Hill, Dutch Flat (13) (not sure which station is which number)
33-35: Lincoln City (17)
38: Penryn (24)
41: Newcastle (20)
70-78: CDF/CoFD Lincoln Group
* 70- East Lincoln (Oak Tree Lane - fully staffed)
* 71- Unassigned
* 72- Unassigned
* 73- Fowler (northeast of Lincoln - volunteer)
* 74- Thermalands (s/o Camp Far West - volunteer)
* 75- Paige (w/o of Lincoln on Nicolaus - volunteer)
* 76- Amoruso (sw/o Lincoln, w/o Casino - volunteer)
* 77- Thunder Valley/Sunset (Casino - fully staffed ALS engine)
* 78- Sheridan (volunteer)
84-86: Placer Hills (19) (Between Auburn and Colfax along I-80)
88-90: Foresthill (16) (includes two ALS ambulances)
100-102: CDF/CoFD Dry Creek (All units out of one station on Cook-Riolo Rd - E100 fully staffed)
180-183: CDF/Consolidated (25) (North Auburn along Hwy 49)(180 and 182 have paid staff, unsure about other stations/staffing)

Auburn City (12) and Alta (11) appear to have kept their old 4 digit numbers.

CDF's station numbers (State Stations) within the county do not fit within this plan.
Station 10 - Auburn (NEU HQ)
Station 11 - Foresthill (seasonal)
Station 21 - Higgins (Nevada County north of Placer Co. line)
Station 30 - Colfax
Station 33 - Alta

Districts 1-10 are Eastern county fire districts (Tahoe area) and I don't have any information on their operating systems

 

[trooperdude]

Fire Travel Net

The feds are re-farming the frequencies currently used for the Fire Travel channels (north and south) for strike teams in California.

The replacement will be the OES CESRS (California Emergency Services Radio System).

I show CESRS as:
154.980 input, various PL's depending on location
153.755 repeater output with a uniform PL 192.8

 

[SCPD]

The feds are re-farming the frequencies currently used for the Fire Travel channels (north and south) for strike teams in California.

The replacement will be the OES CESRS (California Emergency Services Radio System).

I show CESRS as:
154.980 input, various PL's depending on location
153.755 repeater output with a uniform PL 192.8

The travel net used the same frequencies for the whole state so I'm not sure what you refer to when you say "Fire Travel channels (north and south). Also, I've read that the travel net went to the Dept. of Homeland Security so I don't quite understand what you mean when you say it is being re-farmed for strike teams.

Where did you get the information that the federal wildland fire travel net is going to be replaced with the CESRS? It does make sense as it is already in statewide use, plus is microwave linked allowing many dispatch centers to use it over a wide area.

 

[trooperdude]

The travel net used the same frequencies for the whole state so I'm not sure what you refer to when you say "Fire Travel channels (north and south). Also, I've read that the travel net went to the Dept. of Homeland Security so I don't quite understand what you mean when you say it is being re-farmed for strike teams.

Where did you get the information that the federal wildland fire travel net is going to be replaced with the CESRS? It does make sense as it is already in statewide use, plus is microwave linked allowing many dispatch centers to use it over a wide area.

Tones and frequencies for the travel net WERE different between N Cal and S Cal.

I do the telecommunications management for my department's radios, so I do know this to be a fact.

Our Kenwoods had two different travel channels. North and South.

I didnt' say that the frequency is being re-farmed for strike teams.

I said BECAUSE of the federal re-farming, CFA has opted to use CESRS as the recommended FIRESCOPE replacement for the travel channel, FOR strike teams within California.

I got the information from a meeting I participated in. Straight from the horses mouth. Which is more than I really wanted to say here.

I start reprogramming radios in April.

YMMV.

 

[tcomm_specialist]

The travel net used the same frequencies for the whole state so I'm not sure what you refer to when you say "Fire Travel channels (north and south). Also, I've read that the travel net went to the Dept. of Homeland Security so I don't quite understand what you mean when you say it is being re-farmed for strike teams.

Where did you get the information that the federal wildland fire travel net is going to be replaced with the CESRS? It does make sense as it is already in statewide use, plus is microwave linked allowing many dispatch centers to use it over a wide area.

On 1/18/2007 tcomm_specialist posted to this Forum
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Travel Net Out of Service

169.12500 168.32500 CA FIRE TRAVEL NET TACs
Fire/EMS Los Angeles
Los Angeles, County of CA
169.12500 169.12500 California Travel Net Direct Operations
Angeles National Forest Los Angeles
Forest Service (USFS) CA
169.12500 168.32500 California Travel Net Repeater Operations
Angeles National Forest Los Angeles
Forest Service (USFS) CA
169.12500 Travel US Forest Service - Lassen National Forest
Federal Plumas
CA
169.12500 Statewide Travel Group 2 - CDF
Fire/EMS San Bernardino
San Bernardino, County of (Fire/EMS - Radio Plan) CA

The list above taken from the RR databse the information needs to be removed. The CA Travel Net provided by the Feds is no longer in use and the frequency will be reutilized by the Feds. At this time there are tentative plans for an new travel net using an existing statewide system, but it has not been finalized. Once the final authority is given I will post the information here.
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CESRS (California Emergency Services Radio System) is being utilized on a temporary basis as a California Travel Net for the Fire Service in California who deploy strike teams out of their home area. After narrowbanding there will probably be a new "Travel Net" on VHF. Most agencies will not be able to utilize the microwave system since that requires a DTMF capable microphone. Also, some of the repeaters in Northern California still utilize burst tone on the transmit side of the radio. This issue is being addressed since there are also very few BT capable radios. (Like the DTMF microphone.)

There are several users of this system, Department of General Services-Telecommunications Division DG-XXX callsigns, California Youth Authority, and the CDF Crews, usually local chatter from Camp to units in local Unit doing projects.

It will be interesting to see how this all works out since the original intent of CESRS was to have a linked radio system for the "Emergency Response Agencies" of the State of California and for Local Government to have radio access to State OES. Although I can honestly say this has never happened in my tenure, there is always the possibility that we could wind up with conflicts. We'll have to see how it all pans out.

 

[1979lee]

Can anyone verify this information:

FCC Callsign: KMJ448
Licensed to: BAKERSFIELD, CITY OF
Frequency: 155.31000000
Use: --> bakersfield police main dispatch ch 1
​

Is it still in use/valid? Or are they using "Dispatch East" for Ch 1 and "Dispatch West" for Ch 2, as indicated in the RR Database?
Thanks!

yes it is still valid and quite active the city is split right down the middle by hwy 99,
and anything east of the 99 is eastside dispatch
anything west of hwy99 is westside dispatch
bpd ch1 eastside dispatch 155.310 dc tone 165
bpd ch2 westside dispatch 154.800 dc tone 265

always happy to help with bakersfield area frequencyes

 

[SCPD]

Tones and frequencies for the travel net WERE different between N Cal and S Cal.

I do the telecommunications management for my department's radios, so I do know this to be a fact.

Our Kenwoods had two different travel channels. North and South.

I didnt' say that the frequency is being re-farmed for strike teams.

I said BECAUSE of the federal re-farming, CFA has opted to use CESRS as the recommended FIRESCOPE replacement for the travel channel, FOR strike teams within California.

I got the information from a meeting I participated in. Straight from the horses mouth. Which is more than I really wanted to say here.

I start reprogramming radios in April.

YMMV.

Interesting, as I took a look at an official frequency directory while I was visiting with an ex-coworker in my former office just two weeks ago. The directory was dated 2006 and showed the travel net as one frequency pair statewide. The channel plans for each northern and southern National Forest showed the same frequencies being programmed in statewide.

I do remember seeing a plan of the UHF links for each repeater set up for a hub in the northern part of the state located at Calif. Operations North in Redding and another for Calif. Operations South in Riverside. For the on the ground user, of which I was one for many years, the travel net consisted of two channels, direct and repeater. Two travel nets would have required four channels.

I've been retired for some time and something could very well have changed, but such was not reflected in the most recent official frequency directory I looked at. I would look at it again from home, but the directory is for official use and I'm not allowed to copy it or obtain a copy for myself.

What I haven't heard is whether the frequencies are to be reassigned to another agency or if the entire infrastructure for the travel net is being reassigned as well. If the latter, then the Forest Service really got the shaft. In some ways the Forest Service brought this up on themselves. When I traveled to incidents around the state by myself or with crews the familiarity with the travel net seemed very low. People continued to be in the habit of using Tac 2 (168.200 formerly known as "Crew Net") for chatting between vehicles in strike teams and the three vehicles used by hotshot crews. The travel net was printed on the back cover of the annual frequency directory, but management direction to use it was lacking. In my trips I never heard a base station, dispatch center or North or South Ops, using it. The most traffic I heard on it was between apparatus on CDF strike teams.

One of the purposes for setting it up was to enable the redirection of units enroute to incidents but the cell phone filled that need. On one occasion I was supervising a Type II crew on a 19 day, 2 fire tour, in southern California. Our first fire was near Santa Margarita on the Los Padres NF and were then sent to a fire on the San Jacinto Ranger District on the San Bernardino National Forest. While enroute, involving crossing the L.A. Basin with three vehicles, we were reassigned to a fire on the Angeles near Castiac Lake. Trouble was we were not informed of the change in assignment and traveled all the way to the southern portion of the San Bernardino, arriving at 0200, before becoming aware of the change. I had put down that I did not have a cell phone and listed the travel net as my means for contact, but was never called on it.

The phrase "use it or lose it" comes to mind.

 

[mkewman]

23-26: Rocklin City (21)

thats incorrect. there are only 3 stations in rocklin. station 23 (rocklin rd), 24 (just off stanford ranch), and 25 (on crest).


http://www.rocklin.ca.gov/government/fire/firefighting/map.asp

UPDATE: WAYNE- could we add that map to the db? put courtesy/source: city of rocklin website.

right now i'm trying to figure out how they layout the districts in rocklin.

 

[Duster]

You're right, MK, there are only three stations in Rocklin right now. I was told by someone in the department that #26 is ear-marked for them, I guess I should have said 'planned'. On that note, Roseville only has 8 active stations right now, but have 14 numbers blocked out. I don't think it will take either Rocklin or Roseville long to add more stations to their ranks.

 

[Duster]

How long should I sit on this info for comment before I submit an update?

 

[hotdjdave]

What's Reasonable

How long should I sit on this info for comment before I submit an update?

It's up to you. A reasonable amount of time - I'd say a week to make sure.

Thanks for using this thread.

BTW, I'm Dave W., too.

 

[Duster]

It's up to you. A reasonable amount of time - I'd say a week to make sure.

Thanks for using this thread.

BTW, I'm Dave W., too.

Cool, thanks!

Nice to meet you, Dave

 

[proquist96]

new tg in OC

i heard a few guys testing on mot#7536 and its not in the database. they refered to the Airport side of the building as they went up and down floors saying testing 1,2,3 so it must be John Wayne Airport in a 8 story building. i have a few more tg's 39032, 52384, 15280 all on 6C3F Mot sys.

 

[WayneH]

i heard a few guys testing on mot#7536 and its not in the database. they refered to the Airport side of the building as they went up and down floors saying testing 1,2,3 so it must be John Wayne Airport in a 8 story building. i have a few more tg's 39032, 52384, 15280 all on 6C3F Mot sys.

Just as a heads up, we like to get as descriptive as possible with tags for talkgroups. If you aren't sure yet please keep monitoring and let us know when you can nail them down. The questionable stuff you can post to the forums and get comments.

 

[Mick]

7536

This is a TG for the Radio Techs, been monitoring them for years on 7536. Very seldom used though.

i heard a few guys testing on mot#7536 and its not in the database. they refered to the Airport side of the building as they went up and down floors saying testing 1,2,3 so it must be John Wayne Airport in a 8 story building. i have a few more tg's 39032, 52384, 15280 all on 6C3F Mot sys.

 

[Kingscup]

Riverside County Fire-

RRU 4 Rx154.100 Tx156.00 No PL Future Local Command Freq.

 

[Kingscup]

Sorry but I just found out today that they have changed the name of the channel in my above message from RRU 4 to RVC Command 1.

 

[Kingscup]

Attached is a map of Riverside County fire stations

 

[jrholm]

San Bernardino County Update

Got a couple of updates I'm going to post soon..


TG 17200 (Barstow PD Disp) has been showing up fairly regularly on the Mountain (8) system.

TG 1200 has definatley been reassigned to County Probation Dept. and is showing up on all systems I monitor regularly including Mountain (8), Valley (6/7), and Ontario (9).

On the Mountain (8) system TG 304 is linked with Valley (6/7) TG 496. TG 336 is the same as TG 336 on the Valley system (6/7) serving Chino Hills (Station 2) and Fontana (Station 3). Big Bear station does not come up on TG 336, just TG 304.

Also some station number updates: Yucaipa Station 4 is county units, units working in City of Yucaipa are Station 14; Chino Hills Station 2 in county units, units working the City of Chino Hills are Station 22