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It seems odd to me that this talk group would have privileges on Zone 4. The "P4" means it's encrypted. Does anyone in the St Louis area monitor this talk group at all? Is it always encrypted? I see in RRDB it shows part time encryption by the "De" designator.

7103 Eureka Fire: Search and Rescue
 

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It seems odd to me that this talk group would have privileges on Zone 4. The "P4" means it's encrypted. Does anyone in the St Louis area monitor this talk group at all? Is it always encrypted? I see in RRDB it shows part time encryption by the "De" designator.

7103 Eureka Fire: Search and Rescue
Site profiles were modified to allow for some talkgroups to roam in and out of Zone 4 for the Bass Pro Event. The Eureka affiliation is one of the ConSpecs from St. Louis that came down to assist on Skylab and with onsite comms, doing some testing to see if talkgroups would roam in appropriately.
 

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And sorry, that should have been Comm Specs (typo'd this morning).
 

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Site profiles were modified to allow for some talkgroups to roam in and out of Zone 4 for the Bass Pro Event. The Eureka affiliation is one of the ConSpecs from St. Louis that came down to assist on Skylab and with onsite comms, doing some testing to see if talkgroups would roam in appropriately.
Great information! That's good to know. I was wondering if that might be the case.
 

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Does Region D have its own communications truck? I am guessing it could be at Bass Pro too. Just odd that a truck/trailer from Region C would be down there. It would have been cool to hear the comms during the event.
 

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Does Region D have its own communications truck? I am guessing it could be at Bass Pro too. Just odd that a truck/trailer from Region C would be down there. It would have been cool to hear the comms during the event.
Region D has 2 communications trucks within Region; the challenge was staffing. We did not have enough qualified staffing within Region to fill the needs for the incident, so called in staffing from Region C & H to assist. Much like we've sent staffing from Region D to Region C to help with other events, and to Region H to assist with an airshow and the eclipse.
 

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That was the areas Motorist Assist group which is a part of MODOT.

I have MoDot Emergency Response Truck programmed on MOSWIN TGID 21901, 21908, 21911 On SLATER TGID for MoDot is 65313 and 65228 where did you find 65012 that the OP was hearing chatter?
 

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I have MoDot Emergency Response Truck programmed on MOSWIN TGID 21901, 21908, 21911 On SLATER TGID for MoDot is 65313 and 65228 where did you find 65012 that the OP was hearing chatter?
I had Slater on my mind when I replied. Regardless, the Modot guys call themselves Metro here for the Motorist Assist crew, not to be confused with the Metro Bus and Transit system here. When the Motorist Assist (Metro) Modot guys are patched into Slater, they will come up on any random 65xxx talkgroup on Slater. I've seen the Slater TG change every 5 minutes or less in some cases when they are roaming or patched onto Slater.
The patch seems to time out and tears itself down and is rebuilt again when they need it again but on a new random 65xxx TG.
This motorist assist group started out on Slater in their early days using TG 55313 (now unused on Slater) but have recently moved primary ops over to Moswin with a primary TG of 21911 and they are now heard on Slater only as a patch or they are roaming onto the Slater system. Either way, they are now only showing up on Slater on random TGs between 65xx1 and 65536. When they do this and you hear them on Slater on one of the random 65xxx TGs, their will often be no UID shown on radios that show that info or if you are watching the respective Slater control channel data with Pro96com or DSD+.
When I'd made the post you quoted, I'd actually heard them on the Slater system on the temp TG of 65012 even though I was replying in this Moswin thread. What I'd typed was still valid though but for the Slater system.

I see the same with other agencies allowed to roam on Slater or on Moswin in the St Louis ares. The TGs assigned are always random temp assignments in the 65xxx range which I understand is a range Motorola designated for this purpose. If the users keep the talkgroup active, then the TG usually stays the same. Once the talkgroup goes unused for some unknown amount of time, the TG seems to be released and drops, when the users come back, they are almost always assigned a different random TG.
The only constant is the fact these temp TGs will always be in the 65xxx to 65536 range. This seems to be true on both, the Moswin and the Slater systems here.

So if you hear the Metro Modot Motorist Assist gang here on the Slater system on a 65xxx talkgroup, you cannot know what talkgroup they will be heard on next. If you need to always hear them, then one should monitor the area Moswin sites and their 21911 TG which is assigned to this motorist assist group on Moswin. Or use ID Search Mode when monitoring Slater.

The use of the random 65xxx TGs makes it impossible to really give this group an entry in the RRDB for Slater because the TG is always changing.
 

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" If you need to always hear them, then one should monitor the area Moswin sites and their 21911 TG which is assigned to this motorist assist group on Moswin."
That's what I have programmed. You confirmed for me that when on SLATER it's merely simulcast of the MOSWIN TG.


I had Slater on my mind when I replied. Regardless, the Modot guys call themselves Metro here for the Motorist Assist crew, not to be confused with the Metro Bus and Transit system here. When the Motorist Assist (Metro) Modot guys are patched into Slater, they will come up on any random 65xxx talkgroup on Slater. I've seen the Slater TG change every 5 minutes or less in some cases when they are roaming or patched onto Slater.
The patch seems to time out and tears itself down and is rebuilt again when they need it again but on a new random 65xxx TG.
This motorist assist group started out on Slater in their early days using TG 55313 (now unused on Slater) but have recently moved primary ops over to Moswin with a primary TG of 21911 and they are now heard on Slater only as a patch or they are roaming onto the Slater system. Either way, they are now only showing up on Slater on random TGs between 65xx1 and 65536. When they do this and you hear them on Slater on one of the random 65xxx TGs, their will often be no UID shown on radios that show that info or if you are watching the respective Slater control channel data with Pro96com or DSD+.
When I'd made the post you quoted, I'd actually heard them on the Slater system on the temp TG of 65012 even though I was replying in this Moswin thread. What I'd typed was still valid though but for the Slater system.

I see the same with other agencies allowed to roam on Slater or on Moswin in the St Louis ares. The TGs assigned are always random temp assignments in the 65xxx range which I understand is a range Motorola designated for this purpose. If the users keep the talkgroup active, then the TG usually stays the same. Once the talkgroup goes unused for some unknown amount of time, the TG seems to be released and drops, when the users come back, they are almost always assigned a different random TG.
The only constant is the fact these temp TGs will always be in the 65xxx to 65536 range. This seems to be true on both, the Moswin and the Slater systems here.

So if you hear the Metro Modot Motorist Assist gang here on the Slater system on a 65xxx talkgroup, you cannot know what talkgroup they will be heard on next. If you need to always hear them, then one should monitor the area Moswin sites and their 21911 TG which is assigned to this motorist assist group on Moswin. Or use ID Search Mode when monitoring Slater.

The use of the random 65xxx TGs makes it impossible to really give this group an entry in the RRDB for Slater because the TG is always changing.
 
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Hello group members, I have been monitoring scanners for along time. I have been wondering when using a P25 phase1 like the MOSWIN system. would scanners scan the system faster if the alternate channels wasn't programmed in and just use the Primary channels? Just a thought, be interesting hearing the in site on my question. Thank you ....
 

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It won't scan faster. When the scanner finds the control channel it remembers it until it can no longer be received (if you are moving) or rotates to another channel. Then it checks all programmed frequencies for that site or system for the active control channel.

The big downside to not programming all the channels is if the control channel happens to change to one that isn't marked red or blue in the database then you will wonder why you can no longer receive the site or system.
 
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It won't scan faster. When the scanner finds the control channel it remembers it until it can no longer be received (if you are moving) or rotates to another channel. Then it checks all programmed frequencies for that site or system for the active control channel.

The big downside to not programming all the channels is if the control channel happens to change to one that isn't marked red or blue in the database then you will wonder why you can no longer receive the site or system.
So it would be best to keep all red and blue frequencies ? Also what about the frequencies that is not marked red and blue? Thank you.
 
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It won't scan faster. When the scanner finds the control channel it remembers it until it can no longer be received (if you are moving) or rotates to another channel. Then it checks all programmed frequencies for that site or system for the active control channel.

The big downside to not programming all the channels is if the control channel happens to change to one that isn't marked red or blue in the database then you will wonder why you can no longer receive the site or system.
Thanks very much for your in site sir.
 

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it can't hurt to put in the voice frequencies, as they are called.
the county north of me changed control over to a voice frequency twice.
the FCC give them the freqs and it is up to then to use them.
 
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