Bye bye to police, will have to piece things together from ems and fire call information, after something has happened!
Erie County P25 System
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Heard a med patch to MCH on TGID. 101 this morning . Sounds like some agencies are switching over.
I heard A Greenfield patch last night and an ECI patch a few minutes ago. Here is my current TG list if you want to ID scan. Remember all 2XX TGs will probably be encrypted.
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Thanks now to match TGID to talk groups. Then have a list of their simplex frequencies for simplex communications to scan.
I was told that there will be a paging group for Millcreek (I would guess using one of their current frequencies) and then another group for all of the other county departments. I asked which tower they were going to use for that and they said that they will be dispatching off of multiple towers, and that if you run with someone like North East that you could be in Springfield and your pager would go off. I don't see how that can happen unless they are going to use multiple frequencies (one per tower) and the pagers can determine where you are?
"I don't see how that can happen unless they are going to use multiple frequencies (one per tower) and the pagers can determine where you are? "
By using different pager tones for each department or group. The pager will only activate to the proper tone.
By using different pager tones for each department or group. The pager will only activate to the proper tone.
The news keeps talking about all agencies being able to talk to each other now. So if there is an incident with police and fire and ambulance needing to talk to each other, will we hear it in the clear on scanners since PD is encrypted and all other agencies are not?
Correct. The fire and EMS departments do not have the radios with the encryption hardware. As such, the police, along with fire and EMS agencies would switch to the Countywide Inter-agency talkgroup or Special Events talkgroup where they can all communicate (whereas the police will be transmitting without encryption on said talkgroup for fire and other agencies to receive).
So, yes, you will hear the police in the clear only in a situation like you had previously mentioned. Otherwise, you will no longer hear any police communications, unless the analog systems remain online as a redundancy backup. I have a feeling Millcreek PD will maintain their VHF frequencies - to have their own radio system independent of the County.
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How about when Millcreek fire depts. and MPS have an event on Presque Isle? Will we hear them talking to the rangers there? The rangers are on the state Opensky system, so it's encrypted. They will soon transition to the new state P25 system, and it's unknown if that will be in the clear or not. The Game Commission is in the clear, so maybe DCNR will be too.
Right, but if they are going to use one frequency on multiple towers simultaneously on a conventional system (which is what it sounded like when I talked to someone at ECDOPS), then the towers will "walk on" each other right? I know that each department has a different set of tones.
I've heard that there is supposed to be some sort of interoperability with the state, but I haven't been able to really lock down how that's going to work yet. I can't imagine that the state will let the county on PSP operations groups?
Not if it's set up right.....analog simulcast is used all the time on conventional systems.
As an example Millcreek Fire uses 4 towers now.
Looking to possible get the Uniden Bearcat BCD436HP. Does anyone think It will have the new frequencies yet? I’ve never had a digital scanner and I dont know where to begin to program the new frequencies. I’m think this might be the easiest way to go. Any other suggestions out there.
I have the 436 and 536. I've been listening to scanners here since the 1960's. I got a 396 many years ago to listen to systems in FL. It was my first fairly difficult scanner to program. Then when I got the 436/536's I had to learn another new way to program. I use Sentinel on my PC - easiest way for me.
As far as how well they work here, we'll see. I've been listening to the new state P25 system, and they work pretty well for that. As far as this new county system, I'll know after a couple weeks. Don't be reluctant to ask questions - we're all here to help!
This RR forum is another good resource:
Uniden Tech Discussion
For discussion of all technical aspects of current or future Uniden scanners. Discussion of Uniden supplied programming software such as Sentinel is also welcome here.
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