Everything NYPD encryption.

[GadgetGeek]

Just for fun, could you please provide some documented evidence on "many instances" of scanner listener heroes who have saved lives merely with a scanner and antenna?

Maybe not to that extent but I'm always listening to my local small town police department. If I monitor suspicious activities in my neighborhood I'm another eye in the area and will report anything out of the ordinary to the police. It does happen. I've been monitoring since the 80's.

 

[richee2000]

Maybe not to that extent but I'm always listening to my local small town police department. If I monitor suspicious activities in my neighborhood I'm another eye in the area and will report anything out of the ordinary to the police. It does happen. I've been monitoring since the 80's.

So true. Its hard enough for the police to be everywhere, its great that citizens who monitor PD comms have always helped , extra ears and eyes for the PD... I have personally done this....

 

[12dbsinad]

So true. Its hard enough for the police to be everywhere, its great that citizens who monitor PD comms have always helped , extra ears and eyes for the PD... I have personally done this....

You'll never hear about these stories sad to say. They do not fit into any narrative. Just like you absolutely never hear about "the good guy with a gun" unless you read the armed citizen section of the NRA magazine.

 

[Archie]

Two more questions.

Who would enforce the NY Gianaris legislation if enacted? The Attorney General?

There are a few PD's still using voice inversion, would this legislation have to be amended to include it since it technically differs from encryption?
Thanks.

 

[coolrich55]

Sooo. They say encryption is the only way to solve the rouge radio unauthorised transmissions. A lie or just them thinking everyone else is stupid to believe that?

 

[chrismol1]

Sooo. They say encryption is the only way to solve the rouge radio unauthorised transmissions. A lie or just them thinking everyone else is stupid to believe that?

In a certain way possibly,, Not only in malicious interference from outside sources of unauthorized radios, their new P25 radios can be programmed with ID numbers identifying the transmitting officers radio, assuming the radios would be officially encrypted and ID programmed so an officer meowing or otherwise unofficial usage would no longer be anonymous and also enabling a radio to be inhibited from operating by console command if lost or stolen. I've heard in years prior they had issues with officers not using their officially issued radios. Or was that chicago? I can't recall, either way it can add a layer of access control.

 

[richee2000]

In a certain way possibly,, Not only in malicious interference from outside sources of unauthorized radios, their new P25 radios can be programmed with ID numbers identifying the transmitting officers radio, assuming the radios would be officially encrypted and ID programmed so an officer meowing or otherwise unofficial usage would no longer be anonymous and also enabling a radio to be inhibited from operating by console command if lost or stolen. I've heard in years prior they had issues with officers not using their officially issued radios. Or was that chicago? I can't recall, either way it can add a layer of access control.

Your answer has nothing to do with Encryption being necessary

 

[medic9351301]

Look i will say it again. its the agencies choice rather to do it or not to do it. There is nothing we can do but ***** and gripe about it.When it all comes together if they want the broadcast media and print media to have access to it. They will give it to them how they want to do it.
As for the wanna be media and citizens grow up stop throwing a hissy fit. and move on with your lifes . Can anyone tell me if any media outlets in a city that has full encp has access to listen in.

 

[medic9351301]

i also think this has become a issue because people think there are entiled to hear police traffic . and when they dont get what they want, they get mad and like like children thinking they will get there way.

 

[richee2000]

i also think this has become a issue because people think there are entiled to hear police traffic . and when they dont get what they want, they get mad and like like children thinking they will get there way.

Sorry to break this to you, but, the community groups, citizen watch groups, citizens ap, congress people, city council members, and concerned citizens groups aren't going away... The only people that are cry babies are people like you with immature childish comments... You don't represent NYPD, or the City of New York ... What the citizens of Chicago got done , can be done in NYC....with the proper legal backing and attorneys. We are not going away no matter how loud you whine....

Chicago PD is fully encrypted, but gives the public full access, with a 30 minute delay.

 

[jeepsandradios]

The law as I read it affects all of NYS and not just NYC. Others use encryption. No one crys about it.

 

[medic9351301]

DUDE:
like i have said you take your 30 min delay and cram it up you nose to be safe cause i have another place u can stick it .
i am not crying i am just stating the facts.
cause 30 mins is history plain and simple.
i dont want to know what happened 30 mins ago .
what good is a 30 min delay. what can u gain by hearing a call for service thats 30 miins ago.
Just please tell me what good a 30 min delay is good for ?
if you want to eat cheese puffs and listen to scanner calls 30 mins old then by all means go right ahead .

Whats your stake in this ? what do u stand to gain if you get your precious 30 mins outdated scanner calls?
Other than you can say "hey we got what we wanted " and to gloat about it.
Look at california I think they past a no encyption law . yet the new la countywide system is still loading agencies with encryption .
Are you going to continue to cry like a baby if the media gets access and citizens dont.
whats going to happen if nypd wins and does nothing.Just because the city council is behind this so called movement does not mean nypd will do what they say do. , are yall going to cry for heads to roll at one pp . call for the pc and the command staff to be removed.

 

[richee2000]

The law as I read it affects all of NYS and not just NYC. Others use encryption. No one crys about it.

New York City is a unique environment for many reasons. Largest city in the United States and constantly having issues with mass protests, allegations of police brutality, numerous community watch groups, etc....

I am a huge supporter of law enforcement and especially the brave members of the NYPD.

But that has nothing to do with this issue.

The only people on here that are crying and whining are the ones bashing the press community groups and the concerned citizens. I bet most of you don't even live in the New York City area....

 

[jeepsandradios]

You don't live in NYC. I worked there for many years. Have no interest to ever go back. If I had my way they would shove it out to see and sink it in the ocean.

 

[medic9351301]

richee2000​

wrong i said they major networks and print media will prob get some form of access to it. as for the other groups what makes them special . they are no dif. than the average citizen .

you have still not told me why u think a 30 min delayed feed is good for the public?

 

[richee2000]

You don't live in NYC. I worked there for many years. Have no interest to ever go back. If I had my way they would shove it out to see and sink it in the ocean.

I have a place , i share, on the UWS . In NYC..... Thanks for assuming....

 

[richee2000]

richee2000​

wrong i said they major networks and print media will prob get some form of access to it. as for the other groups what makes them special . they are no dif. than the average citizen .

you have still not told me why u think a 30 min delayed feed is good for the public?

I have stated numerous times, full transparency, even with a delay, is extremely helpful to citizens who have the need to know what crime has occurred in their neighborhoods, it's the full transparency that counts....

 

[jeepsandradios]

So what happens if they flip the switch to LTE ? You going to cry about that also ? Or require MDT use and ICAD on phones ?

 

[richee2000]

There's only a couple of cry babies on here and that would include you.

You don't seem to grasp the technical aspects of this I will try to explain it to you in layman's terms:

Whatever technology the police department goes to, it doesn't matter.... A feed can be introduced to the public through an ap, which will provide unencrypted communications on dispatch channels.

As far as data is concerned you don't really understand the NYPD and their use of communications. Recently Chief beltron made the admission that radio communications are the most important part of NYPD hardware. The ability to speak into a radio and communicate to Central or other MOS.

It doesn't matter about LTE or p25 or any other type of communications.

Understand?

 

[GTR8000]

There's only a couple of cry babies on here and that would include you.

A good 75% of your posts over the past many years have been dedicated to complaining about encryption, so try to have some self-awareness before labeling others.