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karldotcom

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Radio plan raises issues

I updated the numbers. I am also going to post an article in the Burbank Leader regarding the plans for the new County TRS system (known as RISC) and interaction with ICIS for those that didnt see it on socalscan.

Mary Alvord is the city manager, who recommended Burbank purchase the new radio system and joining ICIS ($6.8 million)

http://www.ci.burbank.ca.us/agendas/ag_council/2003/sr112503_4.html




BURBANK — A Los Angeles County plan to build a system that would allow emergency response teams in different cities to communicate across jurisdictional lines could pose problems for a system already in place in Burbank and Glendale.

Burbank, Glendale, Beverly Hills, Culver City, Montebello and Pomona have already invested in a system of their own, called the Interagency Communications Interoperability System, or ICIS. But officials from those cities are concerned that the county's version will not take into account the progress that cities like Burbank and Glendale have made, Burbank City Manager Mary Alvord said.

"We truly believe that L.A. on a countywide basis should have onesystem," she said. "But there has to be a level playing field in that we don't lose the ground that we've made."

Burbank officials will bring their concerns to a meeting Wednesday with County Supervisor Michael Antonovich, encouraging county organizers to bring their plan to a forum where city managers across the county can discuss potential details of a regional communication system.

If Burbank decides to join the county's plans for a regional system, officials want to make sure they still have a say in how a countywide system might be governed, she said. In addition, officials want to assure that funding sources sought through federal legislators will be distributed evenly between participating jurisdictions, she said.

For example, as a part of building the infrastructure for ICIS, Burbank updated all the hand-held radios used by public safety and public works officials in the field — at a cost of between $2,000 to $5,000 per unit, said Ron Davis, general manager of Burbank Water and Power. http://adsys.townnews.com/c60589905...nce.org/losangeles/leader_ad/leader_heart.htm
Since county officials will have to spend money to update hand-held radios countywide, issues emerge as to what would happen to Burbank's share of that money, he said.

"The question is not that we don't want to collaborate, but how to make it fair for all parties," he said.

Alvord said she was encouraged by participation in a Monday conference with city managers from other municipalities and the heads of public safety departments.

"Initially, the reaction was that, 'Oh my gosh we're going to get swallowed by the county and they're not going to play fair,'" she said. "But at the end of the day, there are funding issues to deal with here."
 

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Supervisor listens to ICIS worries
Officials meet with Mike Antonovich to express concerns over proposed radio system for county.
By Chris Wiebe

BURBANK — Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael Antonovich was largely receptive to Burbank officials' concerns that a proposed county-wide emergency communications system would eclipse a system already in place in Burbank and Glendale, officials said.

Three members of the Burbank City Council, the heads of Burbank Water and Power and the police and fire departments met with Antonovich on Wednesday to acquaint him with the progress of the six-city collaborative called the Interagency Communications Interoperability System, or ICIS, which allows emergency response teams to communicate across jurisdictional lines.


Among city officials' concerns is that the county wants to tap federal funding to update their hand-held radios, which is a costly component of setting up a regional communications network, Burbank City Manager Mike Flad said.

Since the cities participating in the interagency system have already used local money to replace their own outdated equipment — at a cost of between $2,000 and $5,000 per unit — the cities would not benefit from the funds, he said.

"If you want money to build the regional infrastructure, that's a good thing," Flad said. "But they want to use money for their own personal infrastructure."

That can create confusion for federal legislators who see funding requests coming from both the county and cities for entirely different communications systems, he added. advertisement



"We're going to need to hold hands if we're going to get federal funding — it's becoming increasingly clear," Flad said.

A Regional Interoperability Steering Committee, which is looking into creating a countywide system, has met for more than a year and Wednesday was the first time county officials had heard about problems related to a possible funding gap, said Anna Pembedjian, justice deputy for the County of Los Angeles.

"We have asked the Sheriff's Department to prepare a paper addressing the concerns that we believe the city raised," she said. "I can tell you for certain that this is something that has our interest and it's going to be a work in progress to assess the problem and make a proper determination."

County officials expressed a willingness to consider utilizing the city system, which already reaches about 80% of the county, as an interim solution while county planners are in the process of devising their own system, Flad said.

The meeting was a good first step, but there is still much to be done to align the interests of the city and the county, Councilman David Gordon said.

"The good news is that Antonovich seemed to understand what was going on from our perspective," he said.

Glendale Mayor Dave Weaver said that he is more concerned about the effectiveness of a system than who ends up taking the credit for putting it together.

"It's something like this that has national implications and is good for the county," he said "Even though we may have initiated it, you can't let egos get in the way. I don't care as much, as long as the end product is what is best for the citizens of the community."
 

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Looks like Beverly Hills ICIS license has come through... (from a couple sources...not sure if it works yet)

base 479.5375
spacing 12.5 khz

LCNs, 486, 595, 609, and 627


480.8625
482.2250
482.4000
482.6250

TGs 33008, 33296

YW WQGL724
BEVERLY HILLS, CITY OF
[APPLCANT IS A CALIFORNIA CITY WITH ALL MUNICIPAL FUNCTIONS]
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=2884711
Control Point 1 - 464 N. REXFORD DR BEVERLY HILLS CA 310-288-2611
02/26/2007 License Issued





- 455 N. REXFORD DRIVE BEVERLY HILLS (LOS ANGELES) CA
482.225 FB 30e
482.4 FB 30e
482.625 FB 30e
485.225 FX1 30e
485.4 FX1 30e
485.625 FX1 30e
2 - 444 N. REXFORD DRIVE BEVERLY HILLS (LOS ANGELES) CA
3 - 345 N. FOOTHILL ROAD BEVERLY HILLS (LOS ANGELES) CA
4 - 471 S. ROXBURY DRIVE BEVERLY HILLS (LOS ANGELES) CA
5 - 8400 GREGORY WAY BEVERLY HILLS (LOS ANGELES) CA
6 - 501 DOHENY ROAD BEVERLY HILLS (LOS ANGELES) CA
 
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Geocaching on TG5200

Well, that is a new use for a state of the art radio system!

Someone is geocaching around Sierra Madre...

Maybe it is an excercise to familiarize themselves with GPS!
 

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It sounds like 482.3125 & 482.5125 are part of the Montebello ICIS now. I'm hearing TG 5712 on it, Montebello PD.

D654 used to be Montebello buses on 482.5125 and has not been there for a couple of months.

D564 used to be Montebello PD on 482.3125 and has not been there for a couple of months.

TG 5744 is listed as "radio techs" at http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=RR&sid=2856 Today the PD was running a license plate on that TG.
 
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I logged these on the Montebello Cell on Saturday:


5712 Montebello PD Dispatch
5744 Montebello PD Tac
5904 Montebello Fire
6992 Unknown User
7024 Unknown (I think parks?)
7120 Unknown
 

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karldotcom said:
Well, that is a new use for a state of the art radio system!

Someone is geocaching around Sierra Madre...

Maybe it is an excercise to familiarize themselves with GPS!

What date & time, and did you hear any names or identifying information?
 

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Well, it was 3/19, I think from 10am to 1pm, and TG5200....and they mentioned LA County Department of Health Services. The longer I listened, the more I thought it was a group exercise to learn GPS, and maybe learn to use the radios. It was definitely a department function...not just out fooling around.

What attracted me at first was someone saying something about "Cash 5"....which turned out to be "Cache 5"
 

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Talks on radio system continue (ICIS and LA County)

This is a follow up article to the one posted up-thread (Burbank Leader)

3/21/07

BURBANK — City and Los Angeles County officials are no closer to an agreement over how to make a plan for a county-wide emergency response compatible with a six-city system that is already in place in the region.

County Supervisor Michael Antonovich, Burbank city officials and Burbank police and fire department leaders met Friday with county officials in an attempt to resolve some of the city's concerns that the county's plans could eclipse the existing Interagency Communications Interoperability System, known as ICIS.

Burbank adopted the system, which Glendale officials spearheaded, in November 2003. The system enables public safety officials in the six participating cities to communicate on a single radio channel.

But as the county pursues a study into the interoperability needs of the entire county, participants in the existing collaborative are worried about the future of the existing system — especially if county officials opt to build a new system from the ground up without including technology that is already active.

"Why would I give up something I already have for the promise of something that may or may not be better 10 years from now," said Ron Davis, general manager of Burbank Water and Power.

As the county lobbies for federal grants to research county-wide interoperability needs, U.S. legislators are baffled by the apparently competing paths of the county and the six cities already participating in a joint powers agreement.

"It's pretty awkward to explain to a senator's staff," Davis said. "Understandably, they look at both of us and say, 'You people need to work this out.'"

County officials are responding to what they see as legitimate concerns from interoperability system participants who want to assure that any proposed system will fully meet their needs and the same levels of service they now have, said Anna Pembedjian, Antonovich's justice deputy.

"Supervisor Antonovich was very receptive in hearing the city's concerns … and asked sheriff's personnel to respond to those concerns in writing, which we have since received and shared with the city," she said. "And we hope for answers and a resolution that meets everyone's satisfaction."

In the meantime, Burbank officials will continue to cooperate with the county's Regional Interoperability Steering Committee, which is leading the county's efforts, Davis said. But there are no plans to abandon the existing system.

"We are going to continue ICIS until they either join ICIS or show us how to continue the system while pursuing what they want," he said.

The existing system, which already reaches 80% of the county, could be built out to reach the county for about the same cost as the county's impending study, Davis added.

"They're lobbying [the federal government] … to get a couple million for a study," Davis said. "But Glendale has an open infrastructure, so the county could join us any day for free."
 

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I'm listening to TG 32800 digital modulation broadcasting off of Glendales CC. The audio is clear, yet quite choppy, as if were being patched. At times I could barely understand what they were saying. It sounds like a PD TG, as I heard someone asking for "officer munoz", and something about a perimeter(??) Anyone else catch this? [1103 on 3-25-07]
 

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That talkgroups is a CLEMARS patch.

You are going to start hearing some new talkgroups soon...the Beverly Hills cell is on and being tested....and some of the Verdugo Fire TGs are being used sporadically.
 

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No, I didnt post anything because there isnt much traffic, but listen for 34400 and 34496. I heard Engine 33 come up and talk to someone who was talking about installing radios in Engines 38 and 39. And I heard Prevention 3 and a Batallion Chief come up other times too.

It is all digital too.

Havent heard any of the Red channels being tested or anything, just admin.

EDIT:

Also, 3/27/07 10am, Verdugo Fire is using TG2416 for a drill right now. Good way to keep the red channels free, and to familiarize the fire members with trunking, etc.
 
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karldotcom said:
It is all digital too..

I guess I can't put off that digital Handheld any longer. Unfortunately I just sunk nearly $700 into a HAM handheld radio and accessories. Keeping up with technology is expensive. I'll have to buy the Mrs. something special as an appeasment for spending more money. : o)
 

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32800 Clemars (some activity has been heard.....it is hit or miss and sometimes unreadable)

and from this thread (post #74 thru 84)

ICIS 65392 Mutual Aid 1
ICIS 65408 Mutual Aid 2

and in the same numerical range 65344, 65360, 65376, 65424, 65440, 65456, 65472, 65488, 65520 were tested in order on Beverly Hills also.
 

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471.05

I fine tuned the P25 part of the BCD396T I'm using to hear them, it's definitely part of the Burbank TRS. Lots of addresses all in Burbank in use by the PD, buses, public works, animal control, etc.

Mick said:
It appears 471.05 is active and part of the Burbank ICIS TRS. The signal is weak at my location. Right now it's not showing as being part of it at http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=RR&sid=2856

If someone is closer to Burbank request it be determined for certain. Thanks much in advance.
 
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