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[karldotcom]

3 or 4 possible "187" suspects in custody...

I thought I heard them talking about a patch between agencies, but I can't find the LAPD side of it. Either that or they handed the K9 and air unit some ICIS radios during the incident..

 

[RobertW1]

3 or 4 possible "187" suspects in custody...

I thought I heard them talking about a patch between agencies, but I can't find the LAPD side of it. Either that or they handed the K9 and air unit some ICIS radios during the incident..

I listened to the tail end of this incident. Dispatch told Burbank units that LAPD could monitor and use their freqs. Units indicated that they couldn't talk to LAPD units and asked which tac they could talk to each other on. I believe Dispatch finally realized that wasn't the case and just said to stay on the dispatch freq. I planned on monitoring LAPD but then the incident was over.

I don't believe LAPD can access the ICIS system, though I may be wrong. I didn't hear anything on CLEMARS either.

 

[glradio]

ICIS Mutual-Aid Talkgroups

Do you have them and if so, could you list them?
Also, are the ICIS Mutual Aid channels only for ICIS users or does it allow other users on the system (LAPD, LASO, LAFD, etc.)? Are they trunked or direct?
Thanks.

There are ten systemwide ICIS mutual aid talkgroups, which are available to any agency using trunking radios. At present, neither LAPD or LASD have that capability.

 

[hotdjdave]

There are ten systemwide ICIS mutual aid talkgroups, which are available to any agency using trunking radios. At present, neither LAPD or LASD have that capability.

Thanks.

Do you have the TGIDs and names (what shows up in the radios) for each of these?

 

[todd818]

LAPD/ICIS/Mutual Aid

LAPD is in the process of upgrading our radio hardware. New Motorola XTL5000 mobile radios are being installed, initially in new vehicles, and eventually replacing the existing Motorola ASTRO convertacom units in all Department vehicles. New handhelds are being purchased as well (cannot recall which model, XTS2500 maybe?).

The new XTL5000's do not have communications capabilities on the ICIS system, and it appears the handhelds will be programmed the same way. The Air Unit may have ICIS capability, but I don't think so. Why? I wish I knew. Hopefully at some point, this County will get it together and have all agencies on a large wide-area trunked system. One can only hope. At LAPD, we consistently "run out" of tactical frequencies for assignment to task forces, special details, etc. This wouldn't be an issue on a TRS.

For multi-agency events, currently LAPD has the ability to communicate on LA County Regional Tactical Communications (LARTC) Mutual Aid Channels 1-5, CLEMARS GOLD 4 (simplex) and 5 (duplex), CLEMARS GOLD 22 (simplex), and the State Mutual Aid simplex channels. LAPD is also a member of LARTC and can be "patched" with most other agencies in the County. I'm not sure if LARTC patches with ICIS, but I'll inquire.

Everyone should be able to communicate with everyone. Hope we get there someday.

 

[todd818]

currently LAPD has the ability to communicate on LA County Regional Tactical Communications (LARTC) Mutual Aid Channels 1-5, CLEMARS GOLD 4 (simplex) and 5 (duplex), CLEMARS GOLD 22 (simplex), and the State Mutual Aid simplex channels.

Oh, I forgot the "LAPD Access" channel (analog). Some agencies have the channel programmed in their radios, but I don't believe it's on the ICIS radios.

 

[karldotcom]

Some really colorful language on 37456 A right now....two users stuck in traffic in the SGV

 

[glradio]

Oh, I forgot the "LAPD Access" channel (analog). Some agencies have the channel programmed in their radios, but I don't believe it's on the ICIS radios.

We do have LAPD Access in our radios, and you should have Glendale PD Access in your LAPD radios.

 

[hotdjdave]

We do have LAPD Access in our radios, and you should have Glendale PD Access in your LAPD radios.

LAPD has Glendale, Burbank, and others on their radios; but their radios are not capable of trunking. They have the old/conventional frequencies in their radio. I am sure there is some way for the system to allow conventional radios to patch in, though.

I know that the LA County Police, which is on the LA County TRS, have patches to the LASO. Also, the LA City Park Rangers and LA General Services Police, both on the LA City TRS, have patches to the LAPD. So I know it can be done.

I just wanted to point out that LAPD radios are not capable of TRS communications without the system patching them in.


PS: glradio, you've got mail.

 

[Baker845]

what baud is ICIS system 3600 or 9600?

thanks

 

[bchrisman]

Glad to see LAPD installing some real mobiles in their fleet. I'm fairly sure that LAPD will go the route of the XTS5000 portables, although it is not confirmed yet.

Dave..as far as what Steve (glradio) stated about "Glendale Access" is Glendale probably has a conventional channel that was never trunked for outside agency, non-ICIS users to communicate with Glendale (or other ICIS users) via a console patch.

Brian

 

[bchrisman]

oops forgot to answer baker845

ICIS is 3600baud mixed (P25 digi/analog) mode.

Brian

 

[Mick]

Hello. Brian, I hear Glendale PD Access on 482.05 123.0 Hz.

Glad to see LAPD installing some real mobiles in their fleet. I'm fairly sure that LAPD will go the route of the XTS5000 portables, although it is not confirmed yet.

Dave..as far as what Steve (glradio) stated about "Glendale Access" is Glendale probably has a conventional channel that was never trunked for outside agency, non-ICIS users to communicate with Glendale (or other ICIS users) via a console patch.

Brian

 

[glradio]

Access Channels

Glendale, Burbank, Montebello and Culver City have dedicated analog conventional "access" channels to permit interoperability with agencies without trunking capability.

We're 3600 now, but working with Motorola on a multi-year conversion to 9600. It won't happen right away, but it's definitely coming.

 

[hotdjdave]

Glendale, Burbank, Montebello and Culver City have dedicated analog conventional "access" channels to permit interoperability with agencies without trunking capability.

Can the field units of those cities access the "access" channel on their mobiles/HTs or do they need to be patched in?

We're 3600 now, but working with Motorola on a multi-year conversion to 9600. It won't happen right away, but it's definitely coming.

I read in another thread that the new update for the Uniden BCD396T allows for Wide Area Communications Network (WACN) monitoring, but it will not work for 3600 systems.

See this post: http://www.radioreference.com/forums/showpost.php?p=466081&postcount=39,
this post: http://www.radioreference.com/forums/showpost.php?p=466847&postcount=61,
and this post: http://www.radioreference.com/forums/showpost.php?p=466848&postcount=62

 

[glradio]

Can the field units of those cities access the "access" channel on their mobiles/HTs or do they need to be patched in?

No, they are conventional channels, so outside agencies can contact us directly without patching.

 

[hotdjdave]

Can the field units of those cities access the "access" channel on their mobiles/HTs or do they need to be patched in?

No, they are conventional channels, so outside agencies can contact us directly without patching.

Can they contact the other units in the field or just the dispatch?

 

[swest90]

He said it was conventional, If its in their mobiles and HT's they can contact both the units and dispatch. If needed a patch can be setup to any of the talkgroups from the console in just a few seconds. That eliminates the interoperability problem with the cities that only have conventional radios, if things are done right.

Unfortunately during hot calls, historically there is not a real good coordination of frequencies between agencies unless the incident goes for an extended period of time. The officers are busy and they are probably relying on the dispatchers, who themselves are plenty busy. So instead the usual method involves sergeants from each agency getting together and relaying to each agency.

Trunked systems are great for interoperability if everyone is on the same system, Its a bit sketchy when you have have agencies all over the spectrum like we do here. But its a great start and I hope the county and more agencies follow the example thats been set by ICIS (- heavy use of encryption by Pomona). Its something that should have been done, well over 10 years ago.

I have a question about the Pomona site. When a glendale dispatch tg or any analog talk group for that matter is brought over to the site, there is no audio just an open carrier. I'm sure your well aware of it, but is it by design? lack of equipment at the site? And the major in my mind, is it a safety issue to any actual working unit that roams to that site?

Ok if there is a multi-year conversion in the works for 3600->9600. Can we please hope that Beverly Hills, Montebello and Pomona in their recent purchases have gotten the site equipment, and proper flashes on their current gear to support 9600? Or is this another Motorola slow-plan, replace more and more often for bigger bucks each round type of deal.

Thanks for your time
Shawn

ps, Got any jobs open at any of the sites?

 

[karldotcom]

34656 Digital Burbank Police Department Detectives
35296 Digital Burbank Water and Power - Control 12
35392 Digital Burbank Public Works

 

[hotdjdave]

34656 D BPD Detectives
35296 D Control 12
35392 D BPW

Karldotcom, could you also spell out those abbreviations.

Thanks.