In re: Delete, Delete, Delete FCC looks to eliminate rules and regulations

[KF0NYL]

The ARRL uses scare tactics to get donations just like the NRA does. It's a bit of the Chicken Little Syndrome.

I can see giving techs more band privileges since they are already allowed digital, CW and SSB on 10m along with CW on 15m, 40m, and 80m

As far as combining General and Advance, either one gains privileges or one loses privileges.

And the argument that having portions for Extra only keeps the trouble makers out is a fallacy. I see just as many people acting like fools with Extra as I do those with General or Tech.

I do think that the test questions could use a revamp to a certain extent. We can leave out questions about vacuum tubes and such and replace them with more up to date questions concerning modern tech.

 

[kc2asb]

The ARRL uses scare tactics to get donations just like the NRA does. It's a bit of the Chicken Little Syndrome.

It's a time-proven method, though.

And the argument that having portions for Extra only keeps the trouble makers out is a fallacy. I see just as many people acting like fools with Extra as I do those with General or Tech.

Exactly. A higher license class does not magically make someone high class. You can find all sorts of bad behavior throughout the HF spectrum, from the 7200khz crowd and the jamming of nets, etc.

 

[mmckenna]

The ARRL uses scare tactics to get donations just like the NRA does. It's a bit of the Chicken Little Syndrome.

It's a time-proven method, though.

Exactly. Fear works on a lot of people. One of the many reasons I cut ties with both organizations.

 

[AK9R]

Let's not lose sight of the fact that the FCC's scope is much, much larger than amateur radio.

 

[KF0NYL]

Let's not lose sight of the fact that the FCC's scope is much, much larger than amateur radio.

Absolutely true! Imagine how bad broadcast Radio and TV, Cellular services, etc. would be without regulations.

To put it politely, It would be a soup sandwich if the FCC does away with too many regulations

 

[KF0NYL]

Exactly. Fear works on a lot of people. One of the many reasons I cut ties with both organizations.

The only reason I am still a member of the NRA is because they were practically giving away life memberships to disabled veterans about 10 years ago. My life membership has been paid for, but I sure don't donate money every time they send out a letter.

 

[KB4MSZ]

all of us that were licensed after the requirement was removed are dumb

I'm not a smart man but I know what a dit is

 

[DaveNF2G]

I still think people are getting into an uproar over nothing. The idea behind DDD is to remove regulatory barriers to new technology, not to create a free-for-all in the RF spectrum.

 

[kc2asb]

I still think people are getting into an uproar over nothing. The idea behind DDD is to remove regulatory barriers to new technology, not to create a free-for-all in the RF spectrum.

Of course. The motives behind pushes for deregulation are always pure.

 

[kc2asb]

Absolutely true! Imagine how bad broadcast Radio and TV, Cellular services, etc. would be without regulations.

To put it politely, It would be a soup sandwich if the FCC does away with too many regulations

Broadcast radio and TV is already pretty bad and is the result of past deregulation. See: FCC revoking the Fairness Doctrine in 1987/ Telecommunications Act of 1996. This deregulation is what gave us the media we know today, where something like 90% of media/entertainment industries are controlled by 5 or 6? giant conglomerates. I guess those that opposed consolidation of media ownership were also "getting into an uproar over nothing".

 

[KF0NYL]

Broadcast radio and TV is already pretty bad and is the result of past deregulation. See: FCC revoking the Fairness Doctrine in 1987/ Telecommunications Act of 1996. This deregulation is what gave us the media we know today, where something like 90% of media/entertainment industries are controlled by 5 or 6? giant conglomerates. I guess those that opposed consolidation of media ownership were also "getting into an uproar over nothing".

We lost quite a few good radio stations due to big corporations buying all the stations in the St Louis and Columbia Missouri areas. And the formats have changed on the stations still around. We definitely had more choices 20-25 years ago.

 

[kc2asb]

We lost quite a few good radio stations due to big corporations buying all the stations in the St Louis and Columbia Missouri areas. And the formats have changed on the stations still around. We definitely had more choices 20-25 years ago.

Absolutely right! This was repeated in markets across the country. Smaller station owners could not compete with the giant conglomerates and either forced to sell or went dark. Using radio, this is why every station sounds the same no matter where you go.

I was born in the mid 70's and remember from being in the car on family vacations in the late 70's/80's how different stations sounded when we crossed state lines. Even DXing the AM broadcast band 25 or 30 years ago allowed me to hear the regional differences in stations. Not so today. WABC 770 here in my area sounds a lot like WLW 700 in Cincinnati. LOL

 

[KF0NYL]

Absolutely right! This was repeated in markets across the country. Smaller station owners could not compete with the giant conglomerates and either forced to sell or went dark. Using radio, this is why every station sounds the same no matter where you go.

A lot of stations like to broadcast syndicated shows instead of producing their own and different shows. It's don't listen to broadcast FM stations very often and listen to Sirius/XM most of the time.

 

[kc2asb]

A lot of stations like to broadcast syndicated shows instead of producing their own and different shows. It's don't listen to broadcast FM stations very often and listen to Sirius/XM most of the time.

The revenue is just not there for terrestrial radio stations to produce original content. They just can't compete with the variety on satellite and scores of people simply no longer listen to terrestrial radio

 

[mmckenna]

I still think people are getting into an uproar over nothing. The idea behind DDD is to remove regulatory barriers to new technology, not to create a free-for-all in the RF spectrum.

That can be the problem, though. What some call "regulatory barriers" are necessary to others.
Large corporations can have a lot of political sway, and will claim that any/all regulations that keep them from acting on every whim are a barrier.
Some of those barriers are there because they were specifically added to prevent private industry from running amok with what is a limited resource that belong to the people.

But, yes, some have gotten wound up about nothing. But that's pretty much one of the definitions of the hobby at this point.

 

[MUTNAV]

That can be the problem, though. What some call "regulatory barriers" are necessary to others.
Large corporations can have a lot of political sway, and will claim that any/all regulations that keep them from acting on every whim are a barrier.
Some of those barriers are there because they were specifically added to prevent private industry from running amok with what is a limited resource that belong to the people.

But, yes, some have gotten wound up about nothing. But that's pretty much one of the definitions of the hobby at this point.

I agree, but have to add that (at least in some other industries), barriers were put up to stop people from breaking into a business....

Example (from my hometown many years ago)
A taxicab starts a business in a town that had never been served by taxis before...

As soon as a taxi company gets enough revenue to run a 24 hour taxi service with multiple cars and drivers, suddenly politicians put up some rules that say you can only have a taxi company operate in this town if its on call 24 hours per day. Keeping any new and small guys from starting up a company.

Also... I found it interesting that people are talking about regulations that cover ownership of radio stations, but no-one has mentioned the recent purchase of a (larger than allowed) percent of stations by a single (foreign) individual. Doesn't make sense to have rules and laws if not enforced.

MSN

Thanks
Joel

 

[kc2asb]

Also... I found it interesting that people are talking about regulations that cover ownership of radio stations, but no-one has mentioned the recent purchase of a (larger than allowed) percent of stations by a single (foreign) individual. Doesn't make sense to have rules and laws if not enforced.

MSN

Thanks
Joel

This purchase was mentioned recently in another RR forum, perhaps HF/MW. Agreed, this should not have been allowed and is a great example of the dangers of deregulation discussed above. The 1996 Telecommunications Act was a bi-partisan effort, too.

Your taxi company example above is excellent. Deregulation of media ownership squeezed out many of the small owners and put up barriers to new entrants looking to own/operate stations. It's why I have a soft spot for pirate broadcasters - they are rebelling against these barriers.

 

[speedway_navigator]

I'm tired of being told what frequencies I can use my Baofeng on.

I think that comes under section E of the DEI rules, if not we can get it in the next equal rights amendment.

 

[K5MPH]

I agree, but have to add that (at least in some other industries), barriers were put up to stop people from breaking into a business....

Example (from my hometown many years ago)
A taxicab starts a business in a town that had never been served by taxis before...

As soon as a taxi company gets enough revenue to run a 24 hour taxi service with multiple cars and drivers, suddenly politicians put up some rules that say you can only have a taxi company operate in this town if its on call 24 hours per day. Keeping any new and small guys from starting up a company.

Also... I found it interesting that people are talking about regulations that cover ownership of radio stations, but no-one has mentioned the recent purchase of a (larger than allowed) percent of stations by a single (foreign) individual. Doesn't make sense to have rules and laws if not enforced.

MSN

Thanks
Joel

You forgot the Sinclair Broadcasting Group they own most of the Right wing radio stations ........

 

[MUTNAV]

You forgot the Sinclair Broadcasting Group they own most of the Right wing radio stations ........

Didn't know Sinclair actually violated laws/regulations or got special treatment to obtain anything, the Soros thing seemed the most egregious since they aren't American and I think, (though I am not sure, violates the rules , I could be wrong though).

The main point is to (at least make an effort) to enforce rules that already exist.

Thanks
Joel