In re: Delete, Delete, Delete FCC looks to eliminate rules and regulations

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I do not think this FCC program will have any effect on amateur radio. Licensed amateurs think they are very important, they are not.
Would tend to agree and I am a licensed amateur. Let’s come back in a year and see if any positive changes have occurred . Like ARRL asking for comments that will probably not make much difference, but at least they are trying and I say that as a soon to be former member.
 

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Except in this case it seems the market wont decide, but it will be shoved down our throats by the administration being run over by the NAB.

Its not about whats best for the consumers, but whats best for the broadcasters. Carr has already said that its about new revenue streams for the broadcasters.

To the proponets of letting the market decide, how does this fit? How does turning on the DRM encryption in ATSC 3 benefit the consumer? How does sunsetting ATSC 1.0 and rendering millions of devices obsolete without a way for consumers to cheaply receive it?

ATSC 3.0 is horrible for consumers and a boone for broadcasters and equiment manufacturers and this administration seems all for it.
 

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It's a perfect example of lassiez-faire at it's finest. We're about to get a reboot of this with ATSC 3.0.
Not really. What is planned is that the broadcasters will FORCE ATSC 3.0 on us. They will shut off 1.0. While ATSC 3.0 has a lot of wonderful things, one key sticking point for many is that it implements DRM (Digital Rights Management). LG already pulled manufacturing TVs with 3.0 because of this. It will make free over-the-air TV not free any more (at least as it presently is).

Consider that by employing DRM the "broadcaster" (may not be your local station) can decide if and when you can record a program to view later. They control what devices the recording can be played back on. They can include an "expiration date" so a recording you made "last week" has expired and is no longer viewable. When you see all that can be implemented, it is very ugly.

There's a lot of complaints in the market about the slow transition to 3.0 even though I believe it now reaches over 75% of the population. The original FCC rule called for 5 years of mandatory simulcasting (meaning they had to broadcast on 3.0 what is being broadcast on 1.0), but that time has passed. Now they want to "move on" with 3.0 and kill 1.0. I say change 3.0 so that it has NO PART of DRM and you MIGHT have a chance.
 

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Except in this case it seems the market wont decide, but it will be shoved down our throats by the administration being run over by the NAB.

Its not about whats best for the consumers, but whats best for the broadcasters. Carr has already said that its about new revenue streams for the broadcasters.

To the proponets of letting the market decide, how does this fit? How does turning on the DRM encryption in ATSC 3 benefit the consumer? How does sunsetting ATSC 1.0 and rendering millions of devices obsolete without a way for consumers to cheaply receive it?

ATSC 3.0 is horrible for consumers and a boone for broadcasters and equiment manufacturers and this administration seems all for it.
Somebody has to manufacture all of that equipment. The flipside of this "problem" is that it will create jobs.
 

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That ship has sailed. Manufacturers aren't coming back to the states. It costs way to much to tool up, stand up production from scratch (as they have no facilities), and to get raw materials which things like semiconductors and lithium batteries, all come from overseas. They are decades late and dollars short. The greedy pig run corporations sold us out in the 1990s and there is no turning back. China and Korea now took over as the world leader in production from womb to the tomb. Sorry fellas, we lost.
 

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Depends on whether the current adminstration is allowed to do what it promised regarding bringing manufacturing back onshore.
Allowed? Seems the opposition has been largely defeated. Those jobs are not coming back onshore. It was a false promise made with full knowledge that it was not viable. Of course, failure to deliver promises is always someone else's fault / sabotage.
 
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When did this become a political forum? Either suggest a change and send it to the FCC or don’t .
Point taken. However, let's be honest: yelling into the wind would be just as effective as citizens suggesting changes to the FCC. :)
 

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Point taken. However, let's be honest: yelling into the wind would be just as effective as citizens suggesting changes to the FCC. :)

I disagree. The FCC does pay attention to public input. There were changes made to the GMRS radio service a few years back that was based on user input. Getting FM added to CB was a combination of manufacturer and public input.

Usually the trouble is that people complain loudly on the internet, but never bother to submit comments to the FCC.
 

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I disagree. The FCC does pay attention to public input. There were changes made to the GMRS radio service a few years back that was based on user input. Getting FM added to CB was a combination of manufacturer and public input.

Usually the trouble is that people complain loudly on the internet, but never bother to submit comments to the FCC.
Actually I generally agreed on both😵‍💫. Sometimes they selectively pay attention.
 

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I disagree. The FCC does pay attention to public input. There were changes made to the GMRS radio service a few years back that was based on user input. Getting FM added to CB was a combination of manufacturer and public input.

Usually the trouble is that people complain loudly on the internet, but never bother to submit comments to the FCC.
Interesting, and thanks for providing those examples. My only critique is that CB and GMRS are not quite on the same level as TV broadcasting in terms of the stakes / amount of $$$ in question. Washington pols and bureaucrats likely couldn't care less about CB, amateur radio, GMRS, etc. Just listen to CB channel 6 or 7200khz and it's clear how much of a priority these services are to the FCC. :)

It seems that people in general (including myself) have become jaded about making a difference in government/large bureaucracies, and for good reasons. IMHO
 

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It seems that people in general (including myself) have become jaded about making a difference in government/large bureaucracies, and for good reasons. IMHO

How does the saying go? "You miss every shot you don't take"?

Businesses/industry trying to bully government processes relies on citizens feeling like they can't make a difference. Well, that and ignorance.
 

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How does the saying go? "You miss every shot you don't take"?

Businesses/industry trying to bully government processes relies on citizens feeling like they can't make a difference. Well, that and ignorance.
Well said, and excellent points. It's not a level playing field, of course, when you consider that businesses/industry have deep pockets to buy access. Definitely food for thought, though. (y)
 
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