And current coverage map from Industrial Electronics, Inc: Two-Way Radio Sales & Repair - Scranton, PA shows current suggested coverage of system.
Industrial Electronics (264) NexEdge96 Trunked System
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Looks like they're staying out of New York. Thought they might put more along I86 like HorseHeads and Owego.
It does say right on the map that it covers Chemung, Tioga and Broome Cos in New York.
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I assumed as much, but there may be locations that might be better served with a site north of the border. When monitoring site 5 (Tioga) I often hear references to HorseHeads, which may be why there's a site there. I think they're sand trucks coming down from north of HorseHeads. If they ever ease back on the shutdown I'll sneak up there.
North of what border? If you are referring to the northern border of PA, there are sites in Owego/Binghamton, Windsor, and north and south of Horseheads -- all in NY, north of the border. That's why the coverage map lists Chemung, Tioga and Broome Cos in NY.
Mike
The New York, Pennsylvania border. I'm located south of this border and consider HorseHeads and Owego north of the border. I just thought they might go further west such as Steuben and Allegany.
Don't know what to make of this. Picked up a conversation on my home scanner. It was the Horseheads site, which I've never been able to get at home. What i got was a new (to me) TGID (28), a new to me RID (601) on voice channel 461.775. I also got a RAN 4 which should be Monroeton but I got a five bar signal vs two.
I configured a V-Scanner and Scanset in my TRX-1 with WQWE370 ONLY. Set it to log and any RAN, and drove past the site. Here are the log excerpts:
2020-07-24 13:45:42 : TGID-00001D RId-000259 VC- 461.775000 htg=1,wc=0,pri=0 NXDN VC RAN:04
2020-07-24 13:45:50 : TGID-00001D RId-000259 VC- 464.150000 htg=1,wc=0,pri=0 NXDN VC RAN:04
2020-07-24 13:45:50 : TGID-00001D RId-000259 VC- 464.150000 htg=1,wc=0,pri=0 NXDN VC RAN:04
I also disconnected my antenna for a minute or two. It was a weaker but still there. I should mention that The TRX-1 is patched in to my vehicles antenna. All three are WQWE370 frequencies.
I configured a V-Scanner and Scanset in my TRX-1 with WQWE370 ONLY. Set it to log and any RAN, and drove past the site. Here are the log excerpts:
2020-07-24 13:45:42 : TGID-00001D RId-000259 VC- 461.775000 htg=1,wc=0,pri=0 NXDN VC RAN:04
2020-07-24 13:45:50 : TGID-00001D RId-000259 VC- 464.150000 htg=1,wc=0,pri=0 NXDN VC RAN:04
2020-07-24 13:45:50 : TGID-00001D RId-000259 VC- 464.150000 htg=1,wc=0,pri=0 NXDN VC RAN:04
I also disconnected my antenna for a minute or two. It was a weaker but still there. I should mention that The TRX-1 is patched in to my vehicles antenna. All three are WQWE370 frequencies.
Either they are running some conventional NXDN at Horseheads on those freqs and happen to be using a RAN of 4, or Towanda/Monroeton is not site 4.
I don't recall when Towanda was added, and of course am not privy to the actual submission details. Maybe somebody had posted of Towanda's existence in this thread, but I'm not about to go back and look lol.
This is why using DSDPlus really pays off. If one were to monitor every site on the network with DSDPlus they would know the site number / ran / and neighbors.
My records show that at some point in the past Site 5 and Site 17 reported 4 as a neighbor. We don't know what other sites report Site 4 as neighbor. It may have been that Site 4 was estimated to be Towanda based upon neighbor info. With Site 5 and site 17 as the only sites we know of reporting Site 4 as a neighbor, site 4 certainly could be Horseheads instead -- but it would be hard to explain away the fact that Site 4 was reported as Towanda with a CC of 452.2625 (which isn't on any license up in Horseheads).
Not sure who would accomplish this, but what really needs to happen is for somebody to copy both Horseheads and Towanda with DSDPlus, sitting on the CC of each.
Horseheads has to have an active CC if the site is live. You've only pointed out voice channels. So maybe the kicker is to find the CC for Horseheads and see what kind of network/site ID information it shows. If a constant control channel cannot be found on the 450 band at Horseheads, then Horseheads probably isn't online as a trunked site (although if I recall, long ago their website suggested it was online).
Mike
PaScan submitted Site 4 back in March, that's how it got into the RRDB.
450 and 460 freqs can be and are mixed at sites, so both need to be checked before ruling out a lack of control channel at any site.
450 and 460 freqs can be and are mixed at sites, so both need to be checked before ruling out a lack of control channel at any site.
I actually submitted both NXDN and LTR. 2020 hindsight I would have submitted more NXDN voice channels. And because the NXDN was bleeding through, I omitted one of the LTR HR\CC frequencies. There's a lot of TG's I haven't submitted either, as I am unable to confirm who I'm listening to. Some of them are Towanda area school buses and businesses. I'm fairly certain Monroeton, which the truckers refer to as the Towanda Channel, is site 4.
I just wondered if it wasn't a simulcast, a multicast, or some passing truckers that were using that tower. And being capable of determining NXDN control frequencies is why I haven't submitted sites 24 (Roaring Branch) or site 13 (Dushore).
I pointed to the suspected CC in THIS post:
Industrial Electronics (264) NexEdge96 Trunked System
New license application for - Upper Strasburg (Franklin) https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/ApplicationSearch/applFreqSum.jsp?keyLoc=23075636&applID=11652559&x=15&y=11 451.95 452.35 452.500 452.575 m
That may be an explanation of 462.0. I don't think that it's being used here. I have now programmed this as a TRX-2 V-scanner as NEXEDGE with RAN 4. It comes in BETTER than site 4 or 5. Today I got another TGID of 30. And I only get the one RID of 601.
I had business in Sayre today. Sat in a parking lot eating lunch. I got site 4 and site 17 quite well. Switched to my WQWE370 V-scanner and got dead air. Drove up to site 17 and all I could get was 462.0 with RAN 24 (Roaring Branch).
The complexity of whatever is going on at this site is way above my pay grade. I'm going to give it a rest in the hopes that one of the brilliant Tech's I used to work with will take interest and look into it.
FCC notifications suggesting that Galeton and Tionesta may be online
Mike
Mike
Picked up on 436, It was gone before I could hit it with DSD+.. Still keeping an eye on it for more...
NX9 was displayed on the scanner... RAN 1 was observed previously, never caught any voice to date..
Now that RAN 47 has possibilities.
I'll have to wait and see if it comes back..... So exciting after nothing on it for a long long time... Maybe prep for firing up a new site..
NX9 was displayed on the scanner... RAN 1 was observed previously, never caught any voice to date..
Now that RAN 47 has possibilities.
I'll have to wait and see if it comes back..... So exciting after nothing on it for a long long time... Maybe prep for firing up a new site..
FCC Callsign WRCD363 (CONWAY, ROBERT: CONWAY, THOMAS)
FCC Callsign WRCD363 (CONWAY, ROBERT: CONWAY, THOMAS)
www.radioreference.com
FCC notifications suggesting that Orangeville (Columbia) and Wayne Twp (Schuykill) may be online
Disregard Orangeville -- Already listed as online as Site 30 in the DB.
Disregard Orangeville -- Already listed as online as Site 30 in the DB.
I believe I can confirm this site online, though I find it odd the Network ID shows "448" with Site ID & RAN code "17". Only network ID 448 in the DB is this one but the emissions there are DMR vs NX9 on the confirmed site here. From where I am I'm only picking up the CC but my SDR filled in some LCNs which I compared with the wiki spreadsheet to come up with the following map...
461.675, LCN 535
462.500, LCN 601 CC
463.45, LCN 677? (no traffic observed)
463.85, LCN 709
464.1125 LCN 730
i assume that when you say SDR, what you really mean is DSD plus? Or do you have an unit in SDS 100/200 and that is where you get the LCNd. I can’t remember if unit in scanners report the System ID/network ID in hexadecimal or decimal. I’m thinking hexadecimal. At any rate it doesn’t match up with the system/network ID in the database for industrial electronics. But obviously all of those frequencies do.
maybe they change the system ID across-the-board. Or maybe they’re building out a new new system. Or maybe this is a standalone site set up for a specific customer of IE
I would encourage others who monitor other IE sites to check those sites and verify that the system/network ID is still the same.
I will be interested to hear what @GTR8000 thinks. And my other recommendation would be that somebody run DSD plus on that site if there’s anybody in the geographical area who has the ability to do that
Mike
Correct, RSPDuo with DSD+ Fastlane. Also observed LCN 794 pop up briefly as a SCC, which according to the spreadsheet would be 464.9125 (not on license)
just to rule out an unlikely scenario where by maybe you were picking up the site with a very weak signal and it didn’t quite decode it properly, maybe you could run it again when you get a chance. Fire up DSDPlus, Park on the control channel, and when it starts to populate with data press “d” in DSD plus to disregard the data and it will then populate again. If it still shows the exact same data after that then I cannot account for why the network ID would be different. I can only speculate.
those who monitors some of the other IE sites should check those sites and confirm that they are still broadcasting the old network ID
mike
