Industrial Electronics (264) NexEdge96 Trunked System

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Construction notifications for various sites in PA/NY

Huntingdon Borough PA - https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/ApplicationSearch/applNotificationSum.jsp?applID=11896679
Harrisburg pA - https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/ApplicationSearch/applNotificationSum.jsp?applID=11896689
Belleville PA - https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/ApplicationSearch/applNotificationSum.jsp?applID=11896694
Horseheads Twp NY - https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/ApplicationSearch/applNotificationSum.jsp?applID=11896700
Upper Strasburg PA - https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/ApplicationSearch/applNotificationSum.jsp?applID=11896708

If you are in those areas you might want to check for a new site. If you are near those areas, you might want to monitor neighboring sites and gather neighbor list information using DSDPlus.

Horseheads NY (Chemung)ch #HORSEHEADS NY
461.05485WQWE370
461.500521
461.775543
462.000561
464.15733

Harrisburg (Dauphin)ch #
462.100569WQCR479
461.475519
463.775703
464.9625798

Upper Strasburg (Franklin)ch #WREK234
451.95157
452.35189
452.500201
452.75221

Huntingdon Borough (Huntingdon)ch #
461.400513WREM272
461.95557
464.125731
464.525763
464.775783

Belleville (Mifflin)Ch #
461.5625526WRDH278
462.0875568
463.2375660
464.4625758


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Haven't set up DSDPlus yet, maybe in the next month or two.

Here's what I have so far on Horseheads:
WQWE370 is licensed to two towers about 15 miles apart. If RAN=site, then this would be site-024. The control channel appears to be 461.0500. TRX-1\2 won't decode it and it is active 24\7. Over the weekend, on a mountain top between Sayre and Ulster Pa., Picked up a conversation between HorseHeads (site-024) and Towanda (site-004).

The TRX-1 displayed a RAN: 24 and voice channel 462.000 for HorseHeads and RAN: 4 for Towanda with a different voice channel. The TGID was one that has already been submitted. I have also picked this up over the summer at two locations south of the border. I believe they talking to Tower Hill (site-005). For some reason I don't pick this up, other than the control channel, at home. I have a discone @ 20 feet, but I reside in a valley.
 

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Haven't set up DSDPlus yet, maybe in the next month or two.

Here's what I have so far on Horseheads:
WQWE370 is licensed to two towers about 15 miles apart. If RAN=site, then this would be site-024. The control channel appears to be 461.0500. TRX-1\2 won't decode it and it is active 24\7. Over the weekend, on a mountain top between Sayre and Ulster Pa., Picked up a conversation between HorseHeads (site-024) and Towanda (site-004).

The TRX-1 displayed a RAN: 24 and voice channel 462.000 for HorseHeads and RAN: 4 for Towanda with a different voice channel. The TGID was one that has already been submitted. I have also picked this up over the summer at two locations south of the border. I believe they talking to Tower Hill (site-005). For some reason I don't pick this up, other than the control channel, at home. I have a discone @ 20 feet, but I reside in a valley.

Nice sleuthing. I had replied asking that you submit that as Site 24. But although the DB doesn't have Site 24 listed yet, I somehow had personal notes indicating that Roaring Branch (Lycoming) was site 24 -- and it also has 462.000 on it but not 461.05.

If the TRX-2 won't decode 461.05 and it's 24/7, it may be something other than NXDN active on that.

And could you possibly have been picking up 462.000 from Roaring Branch (Lycoming) from your location ?

Mike
 
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I've been focusing more on submitting site 4 (Monroeton). I'll have to look at Roaring Branch. In the mountains I can receive Dushore and Tunkhannock, and I have never picked up Horseheads north of the border. The southernmost tower is only a few miles from me which leads me to think that is the control channel i'm getting. The first time I picked this up I did an FCC search in Pa. and may have dismissed it as being out of range. I have Canton (Barclay Mt) programmed as both LTR and NXDN but haven't gotten anything as with Troy (LTR only-Armenia Mt).

I'll swap out HorseHeads with Roaring Branch and see what comes comes up. Thanks for the tip!
 

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I've been focusing more on submitting site 4 (Monroeton). I'll have to look at Roaring Branch. In the mountains I can receive Dushore and Tunkhannock, and I have never picked up Horseheads north of the border. The southernmost tower is only a few miles from me which leads me to think that is the control channel i'm getting. The first time I picked this up I did an FCC search in Pa. and may have dismissed it as being out of range. I have Canton (Barclay Mt) programmed as both LTR and NXDN but haven't gotten anything as with Troy (LTR only-Armenia Mt).

I'll swap out HorseHeads with Roaring Branch and see what comes comes up. Thanks for the tip!

Rgr that. I'm not doubting that 461.05 is active with something, but since your scanner cannot decode it -- it might not be NXDN.

462.0000 RAN 24 matches up with previous findings from JRBarnett of 461.175 RAN 24 as well -- both of which would belong to Roaring Branch.

So I still think Site 24 is Roaring Branch. You might want to check out those freqs:

Roaring Branch (Lycoming)ch #
461.175495WQVR854
461.675535
462.000561
463.45677
464.125731

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Already reprogrammed the Trx-1 and am heading south. And my holdup with Towanda is the ch #. Haven't yet figured find get them yet, although I recently submitted a trunksys without them.
 

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Spent the last couple of days going along the New York border. Picked HorseHeads up showing a RAN 24. This was 462.000, which is in both HorseHeads and Roaring Branch, Pa. The other frequency I got with a RAN 24 was 463.450, which only belongs to Roaring Branch. And again, the log showed a RAN 18. And speaking of RAN 18, I got 461.450, 461.900, and 461.275, all belonging to Owego that were RAN 18. And THAT showed a RAN 12 in the
log.

Being 15 miles due south of HorseHeads and both Horseheads and Roaring Branch having an FCC range of 20 miles I am curious as to whether a system would have the same RAN but in different states. I am also surprised that no has submitted the Owego site. Well, I have other fish to fry, maybe someone else will pick the ball up and run with it.
 

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Went back to Roaring Branch a couple of days ago. While there a "fuel can" passed me that was on TG131 and talking to the yard. While parked on 131 in picked up: 461.675 - RAN 24, 462.000 - RAN 24 and 463.450 - RAN 24.
This leads me to think that my TRX-1 logging has some sort of glitch. I now have Owego programmed in with a RAN 18, and in the mountains I get: 461.450, 461.900, and 464.275. All with a RAN 18. I still have to analyze the control channels. While the Whistlers are unable to decode these, they do make a similar sound. Analyzing these with my Pro-106 and listening to sites 4,5 and Horseheads, they make two distinct sounds. One when idle and another when active. I realize that this isn't perfect. I discovered that C-TRANs (CCGS Chemung County, New York) had migrated from LTR to TeTRa in this manner. I was hoping that JRBarnett or someone else in Chemung County would jump on this.

And thanks for calculating the channel numbers for Roaring Branch. Iv'e done more reading on this, and downloaded the NXDN system calculator V3, but most of it is above my pay grade.
 

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Went back to Roaring Branch a couple of days ago. While there a "fuel can" passed me that was on TG131 and talking to the yard. While parked on 131 in picked up: 461.675 - RAN 24, 462.000 - RAN 24 and 463.450 - RAN 24.
This leads me to think that my TRX-1 logging has some sort of glitch. I now have Owego programmed in with a RAN 18, and in the mountains I get: 461.450, 461.900, and 464.275. All with a RAN 18. I still have to analyze the control channels. While the Whistlers are unable to decode these, they do make a similar sound. Analyzing these with my Pro-106 and listening to sites 4,5 and Horseheads, they make two distinct sounds. One when idle and another when active. I realize that this isn't perfect. I discovered that C-TRANs (CCGS Chemung County, New York) had migrated from LTR to TeTRa in this manner. I was hoping that JRBarnett or someone else in Chemung County would jump on this.

And thanks for calculating the channel numbers for Roaring Branch. Iv'e done more reading on this, and downloaded the NXDN system calculator V3, but most of it is above my pay grade.

That's making much more sense to me. And, depending upon signal strength, it's probably fairly easy for the logging on either a Whistler or a Uniden to provide less than accurate results as far as RAN information goes. I don't use a Whistler/GRE myself, so I can't say how out of wack the logging may be.

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I suspect that as well. At home, I am 30-40 miles from Roaring Branch and Owego. And Iv'e temporarily omitted 462.000 from Horseheads. Heading back to Tioga County tomorrow to confirm TGID for Smith Radio and plan to
monitor Horseheads sans 462.000 as well.
 

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VC- 462.125000 htg=1,wc=1,pri=0 NXDN VC RAN:0D

This may be the answer. The TRX-1\2 logs may be generating a HEXADECIMAL value. If you convert 24 it returns a value of 18. If you convert 18 it returns a value of 12. The TRX-2 has been doing the same. If you convert 0D (hex) to decimal it returns a value of 13, which would be site 13 Dushore.


I haven't used hexadecimal since I worked for a crt manufacturer 30+ years ago.
 

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VC- 462.125000 htg=1,wc=1,pri=0 NXDN VC RAN:0D

This may be the answer. The TRX-1\2 logs may be generating a HEXADECIMAL value. If you convert 24 it returns a value of 18. If you convert 18 it returns a value of 12. The TRX-2 has been doing the same. If you convert 0D (hex) to decimal it returns a value of 13, which would be site 13 Dushore.


I haven't used hexadecimal since I worked for a crt manufacturer 30+ years ago.

Looks like you hit the nail on the head. Definitely it's logging in Hex. Interesting, and good to know. Thanks for sharing that info.

Mike
 
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