BCD160DN/BCD260DN: Is this a new Uniden model? BCD260DN

[Mikejo]

Waffle maker? Panini press? No no, no no it really needs to be able to make “thousands of Julian fries”!

 

[buddrousa]

It Slices
It Dices
It Chops
It is Microwave Safe

 

[Randyk4661]

I got this on good authority,
This will be an encryption scanner.
The scanner will encrypt all non encrypted frequencies so no one can listen to anything anymore.
Say goodbye to planes,trains,ship and anything else that you can hear on another scanner.

 

[trentbob]

It Slices
It Dices
It Chops
It is Microwave Safe

But wait! There's more.

 

[Randyk4661]

It Slices
It Dices
It Chops
It is Microwave Safe

But not dishwasher safe? what a rip off!

 

[trentbob]

Waffle maker? Panini press? No no, no no it really needs to be able to make “thousands of Julian fries”!

The reference to a waffle maker goes back a while to similar threads with Paul Opitz RIP, who was the previous Uniden product manager, about wish lists and suggestions for new scanners.🙂

 

[garys]

DMR and NXDN are digital radio modes! Besides they are much cheaper than P25 to put into a radio.

Seriously though.. those who are predicting it's an analog radio, it does have, a BCD designator as previously posted.

If it was simulcast friendly with a SDR chip, imagine what it would do to the sales of the SDS radios.

There will be a small niche for some listeners, personally I live in the Northeast where it is all simulcast in my immediate area.

 

[trentbob]

DMR and NXDN are digital radio modes! Besides they are much cheaper than P25 to put into a radio.

That's a good point, providing this is actually a real product that's not in the planning stages as has been previously mentioned, it would make absolutely no sense not having it at least P1 and P2 capable, albeit, it would be susceptible to simulcast distortion like the other non-sdr chip P2 capable Uniden radios.

That would make absolutely no sense business and marketing wise, which of course doesn't mean you are absolutely correct LOL.

 

[JvdK]

im hoping its less then $200 for the new scanner

If this new scanner, capability wise, is almost the same as a Whistler TRX-1 (DMR, NXDN, rechargeable AA-batteries, no simulcast), the selling price of this new handheld will somewhere in the neighborhood of the selling price of a TRX-1………

 

[GTR8000]

DMR and NXDN are digital radio modes! Besides they are much cheaper than P25 to put into a radio.

You sure about that? DMR and NXDN both use the same DVSI AMBE+2 vocoder as P25, and therefore that needs to be licensed whether P25 is in the scanner or not. MOTOTRBO Connect Plus is proprietary, and so that needs to be licensed from MSI if you want to trunk track it correctly via the control channel.

I think the fact that P25 has always been a standard no-cost feature in the Uniden digital scanners, while DMR/NXDN are optional pay-to-play features, debunks the notion that the latter are "much cheaper" to include.

 

[garys]

Then why do some public safety agencies and most private industry use DMR and NXDN? Maybe it's the cost of the software. Is it "open standard" versus "open source?"

Does Motorola charge that much more for a P25 conventional radio than Kenwood? A couple of my client FDs are replacing their conventional Motorola radios with Kenwood radios that look just a rugged.

You sure about that? DMR and NXDN both use the same DVSI AMBE+2 vocoder as P25, and therefore that needs to be licensed whether P25 is in the scanner or not. MOTOTRBO Connect Plus is proprietary, and so that needs to be licensed from MSI if you want to trunk track it correctly via the control channel.

I think the fact that P25 has always been a standard no-cost feature in the Uniden digital scanners, while DMR/NXDN are optional pay-to-play features, debunks the notion that the latter are "much cheaper" to include.

 

[GTR8000]

Then why do some public safety agencies and most private industry use DMR and NXDN? Maybe it's the cost of the software. Is it "open standard" versus "open source?"

Does Motorola charge that much more for a P25 conventional radio than Kenwood? A couple of my client FDs are replacing their conventional Motorola radios with Kenwood radios that look just a rugged.

Are you talking about actual infrastructure and subscribers, or Uniden scanners (the topic of this thread)? If you're talking about the former, then yes DMR/NXDN are generally cheaper because the equipment is normally not as robust as P25 public safety grade (there are exceptions, but overall not as robust). And yes, there is a premium put on P25 pricing in general. Anyway, I thought you were referring to adding DMR/NXDN capability to a scanner. Bob is calling Uniden scanners "radios" in one post, and you're using the same term "radios" in your post, so it seems that not everyone is on the same page of the thread topic. Anyway, this thread is already silly enough with all the speculation, so I'm out. Ciao.

 

[tvengr]

It Slices
It Dices
It Chops

The Ronco Veg-O-Matic already has the patent on that!

 

[trentbob]

@GTR8000, I agree, I did use the term radio when referring to a scanner but it was just meant to be a generalized term and not meant to be referring to commercial radios, off topic for this thread.

Uniden has dangled just enough information and clues in front of some pretty smart people and generated attention and conversation.

Their motives, even if they have any, are unknown, nevertheless, even if they are smart enough to have any, they've got our attention.

 

[buddrousa]

I am in my last 2 weeks before retiring after 40 years of service BUT IF IT SERVES A PURPOSE FOR ME IT IS GOING IN THE STACK IN THE SHACK

 

[dispatcher812]

I wish it would have a removable head like the Whislter scanner.

As far as the lack of serial port on the rear, could those picture just be mock ups and not the actual scanner? Seems it would not make sense for them to make this new one not GPS capable.

 

[buddrousa]

Also the P25 was built into the cost of the original scanners NXDN and DMR were added as an after thought.

 

[garys]

I was going to put that into my reply to GTR8000, but forgot. They didn't exactly gift that to us. They had to pay for the AMBE vocoder and then develop the P25 capability. That's open standard, but not open source.

Then they engineered DMR, NXDN, and the soon to be gone Pro Voice firmware as options because not everyone wants or needs all of those modes. One of my x36HP scanners had all three, but when I sold it and replaced it I didn't bother paying for the Pro Voice since it will soon be going away.

Also the P25 was built into the cost of the original scanners NXDN and DMR were added as an after thought.

 

[hiegtx]

I was going to put that into my reply to GTR8000, but forgot. They didn't exactly gift that to us. They had to pay for the AMBE vocoder and then develop the P25 capability. That's open standard, but not open source.

Then they engineered DMR, NXDN, and the soon to be gone Pro Voice firmware as options because not everyone wants or needs all of those modes. One of my x36HP scanners had all three, but when I sold it and replaced it I didn't bother paying for the Pro Voice since it will soon be going away.

That's similar to what I did.

When the ProVoice upgrade became available, I added that to one of my 436Hps. I had two of them, plus a 536HP, but only upgraded one, so that I could monitor DFW Airport. I did not need the upgrade on all of them, only the one I normally took with me when I left the house.

I got a couple of years of use with it before DFW Airport upgraded to a P25 Phase II, fully encrypted, system. I did use it a couple of times on the Abilene system on the rare occasions when I was down there, but they have since moved to P25 Phase II. The closest, still active (for now) ProVoice systems are in the San Antonio & Corpus Christi areas. Both of those are in the process of migrating to P25 Phase II as well.

 

[mmckenna]

Then why do some public safety agencies and most private industry use DMR and NXDN? Maybe it's the cost of the software. Is it "open standard" versus "open source?"

Both are "open standards". Open source, not so much. DMR is under the ETSI standard, however some of Motorola's flavors are proprietary. NXDN is Icom and Kenwood, as well as a few others.

DMR/NXDN have been traditionally cheaper systems as compared to P25. P25 is usually marked up since it is aimed at public safety agencies with deep taxpayer pockets.

Does Motorola charge that much more for a P25 conventional radio than Kenwood? A couple of my client FDs are replacing their conventional Motorola radios with Kenwood radios that look just a rugged.

Yes.

Motorola charges more for the brand name and the batwing sticker on the front. There are many vendors that sell perfectly good P25 radios that will do as much (if not more) than Motorola radios for less coin.