Whistler website back online - 10th February 2025

trentbob

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No, apparently not.

1. End user intelligence has nothing to do with my statement, Purely from a business standpoint would you invest the millions required to develop an SDS type scanner for a shrinking market?

2. Yes, still plenty to listen to, just like on HF shortwave but is it worth the development and engineering costs?

3. Ya got me there, I don't see how Yaesu can justify all the new product they introduce but I'm sure they see the true global market, not just the U.S. Whistler however only has the U.S. market unless they develop a handheld clone of the AOR DV10 that also has trunked systems support.

My comments have zero to do with end users, it's just about good business sense from the new owners. What are their market expectations?
If it is only support of outdated products then I applaud their effort and hope they are successful. I live about 2 miles from their Cincinnati location and plan to visit soon.
It all boils down to the end consumer, without them, there's no discussion here. The money from their pocket needs to get in the bank account of the manufacturers. The money coming in has to be more than the money going out.

The rest of it takes care of itself through good business and consumer decisions.
 

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Giving credit where credit is due, the "new" Whistler Group has been regularly maintaining/updating the library database since they announced their new ownership. The library database was at version 923 when it was first brought back, went to version 924 last week and as of today (02-28-2025) is now at version 925.
 

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Giving credit where credit is due, the "new" Whistler Group has been regularly maintaining/updating the library database since they announced their new ownership. The library database was at version 923 when it was first brought back, went to version 924 last week and as of today (02-28-2025) is now at version 925.
I sure appreciate their doing so.
 

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Again all good and fine but there was an old thread here about former scanner manufacturers and I quote the ones that were listed and who are no longer around and there probably are more…. Like RELM and GRE etc.
“Electra, Fanon, Regency, Courier, Royce, Sonar, G.E., Sears, Tenelec, Lafayette,
Archer(Radio Shack brand)”. Maybe a topic for another new thread.
Hopefully Whistler will not join the list, although a few months ago they would have been on it.
 

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Again all good and fine but there was an old thread here about former scanner manufacturers and I quote the ones that were listed and who are no longer around and there probably are more…. Like RELM and GRE etc.
“Electra, Fanon, Regency, Courier, Royce, Sonar, G.E., Sears, Tenelec, Lafayette,
Archer(Radio Shack brand)”. Maybe a topic for another new thread.
Hopefully Whistler will not join the list, although a few months ago they would have been on it.
There is a difference between no longer around and progression.
GRE-->Whistler
Electra-->Uniden
Regency-->Electra-->Uniden
Sears never made their own radios

It really is a wait and see. I'm not sure where it's going, but I wonder why they would buy the patents and IP without a plan to do something.
 

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Again all good and fine but there was an old thread here about former scanner manufacturers and I quote the ones that were listed and who are no longer around and there probably are more…. Like RELM and GRE etc.
“Electra, Fanon, Regency, Courier, Royce, Sonar, G.E., Sears, Tenelec, Lafayette,
Archer(Radio Shack brand)”. Maybe a topic for another new thread.
Hopefully Whistler will not join the list, although a few months ago they would have been on it.
It's hard to imagine but in the '70s you had quite a lot of four wheelers with CB radios.. in addition to every 18 wheeler.. a lot of CB. Some of the brands that got absorbed by the bigger fish served a great purpose in their day... there were a lot of scanners in those cars too..

Along with the consolidation of brands.. we went from tunables, Crystal control scanners, programmable scanners, trunk tracking scanners and then digital scanners.

As they became more complex it was a natural progression to consolidate. Whistler replaced GRE and Radio Shack scanners.

Whistler got a lifeline, a new start. We sit and watch what they do. Too early to know how this plays out.
 

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There is a difference between no longer around and progression.
GRE-->Whistler
Electra-->Uniden
Regency-->Electra-->Uniden
Sears never made their own radios

It really is a wait and see. I'm not sure where it's going, but I wonder why they would buy the patents and IP without a plan to do something.
I remember Regency being in competition with Electra/Bearcat in the 70s then Uniden bought the Bearcat name and/or took over some of their models. Regency scanners sold to Uniden but I don't remember them under the Elecrtra brand, I think that fizzeled out after Bearcat sold to Uniden. Regency two way radios became RELM which eventually sold to BK Technologies.
 

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Yes to all…Maybe I should have said progression. Can’t get away with anything here😉🙂 I was just trying to point out that progress has gotten us to the point where there is basically only one company producing “real” scanners. I know there are many others with units that scan but not like Uniden or what was/is Whistler. Before I get jumped on, Unication is a pager.😀 and other units from Alinco, AOR etc are not in the same category and do not have many typical scanner “features”. And, yes, some are actually better at certain things than Uniden depending on what is needed by the listener. But Uniden is the only current one to put most needed features together.
Back on topic, if Whistler pulls a miracle and comes up with a new scanner, they can then be the second “real” scanner company again.❗️
 

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Scanners/radios/pagers/receivers are not an anomaly. All business and industry have seen the same progression.

Look at how many banks, grocery store chains, different brands within car companies, etc., etc., there used to be...

Smaller companies can longer have their own accounting, IT, legal, etc. departments and remain competitive against larger multi-brand companies.

And I didn't even mention multi-national corporations...
 

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I know that they're busy and they're doing a good job, but I wish that they would announce a presence on here.
 

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My involvement in technology spans quite a bit. Often, while using equipment, it bothers me that the people who developed it have no clue how it is used. Rarely do you find someone who is both a passionate user and and able-bodied product developer. It is a huge challenge just to find the staff necessary to develop these new technologies. When you do: can you give them the necessary benefits to keep them (workig for you and not jumping ship to work for the competitor)? Do they understand how the product will be used (at least as much as the power users on this web site)?

Thinking back to some "simple" products I've developed, it easily takes at least a year. To develop something comparable to the SDS, I see: product concept, circuit design, injection molding for the case, custom LCD/etc., firmware, software and documentation. You need to be significantly along before you can start to promote it. When manufacturing it is not just the cost of the parts & labor, but also licensing fees, tariffs and more. Rarely do you find someone with the skill set for RF, circuit design & coding; let alone all the other skills. It is a team with some skills commanding more $ than others.

And even if you had a magic wand and could get this out there in a year, you need to keep those people on staff for customer service/etc. By then who knows where the market is (including the latest radio technoloy and encryption). If you have a few million "lying around", I think it is only an investment for someone who is PASSIONATE about this product and who feels they can build something better than other choices. Most investors are likely to put their money into something else.
 
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My involvement in technology spans quite a bit. Often, while using equipment, it bothers me that the people who developed it have no clue how it is used. Rarely do you find someone who is both a passionate user and and able-bodied product developer. It is a huge challenge just to find the staff necessary to develop these new technologies. When you do: can you give them the necessary benefits to keep them (workig for you and not jumping ship to work for the competitor)? Do they understand how the product will be used (at least as much as the power users on this web site)?

Thinking back to some "simple" products I've developed, it easily takes at least a year. To develop something comparable to the SDS, I see: product concept, circuit design, injection molding for the case, custom LCD/etc., firmware, software and documentation. You need to be significantly along before you can start to promote it. When manufacturing it is not just the cost of the parts & labor, but also licensing fees, tariffs and more. Rarely do you find someone with the skill set for RF, circuit design & coding; let alone all the other skills. It is a team with some skills commanding more $ than others.

And even if you had a magic wand and could get this out there in a year, you need to keep those people on staff for customer service/etc. By then who knows where the market is (including the latest radio technoloy and encryption). If you have a few million "lying around", I think it is only an investment for someone who is PASSIONATE about this product and who feels they can build something better than other choices. Most investors are likely to put their money into something else.
Finally someone who sees the scanner market as I see it. A breath of fresh air. Does Whistler fit this model? TIme will tell.
 

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Finally someone who sees the scanner market as I see it. A breath of fresh air. Does Whistler fit this model? TIme will tell.
I agree but think many in this thread see it that way. I hinted at this in my post 19 although as you say, gmclam definitely expressed the realities clearly above.
 
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