You are exactly correct and it is the same old problem when they were running on B Zone E all the time. None of the non KHP radios have those ops and zone talkgroups. I don't know why the keep doing that.
KSICS Anchor Thread
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shocker81
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I heard it also. I picked up Butler County Fire on TG'S 2269 and 2270 today. Also lot's of good
traffic from Salina KHP and Garden City KHP today.
traffic from Salina KHP and Garden City KHP today.
MadSpleen85
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Is anyone using any antenna for this system that they would recommend? I am located in North Central Johnson County and trying to monitor southern Leavenworth County Police and Fire/EMS on this system. I have just the Leavenworth County frequencies programed and can catch bits and pieces but I seem to be too far away to get entire conversations and dispatches.
Looking at maybe a directional Yagi... Suggestions?
Looking at maybe a directional Yagi... Suggestions?
Wednesday I began hearing traffic on TG 4110 on the Topeka tower. It is listed in the database as Washburn University Police which seems to agree with the traffic. Yesterday and today however it seems they have switched back to analog on the Shawnee County trunk system.
Also today I heard what sounded like a fire training exercise on TG 4124 on the Topeka tower. Listed in the database as Soldier Township Fireground. The units were 700 numbers which would be correct for Soldier Fire.
Even though Shawnee County is planning their own independent P25 system it sounds like some agencies are already utilizing the state system. It will be interesting to see how this pans out in a couple years when they have to again reprogram all the radios with the Shawnee County P25 talkgroups as well as the state talkgroups. Also, last I heard CECC does not have access to any of these state talkgroups. Just wait until some firefighter goes on scene and cant figure out why his radio says Soldier 1 but nobody can hear him...
Also today I heard what sounded like a fire training exercise on TG 4124 on the Topeka tower. Listed in the database as Soldier Township Fireground. The units were 700 numbers which would be correct for Soldier Fire.
Even though Shawnee County is planning their own independent P25 system it sounds like some agencies are already utilizing the state system. It will be interesting to see how this pans out in a couple years when they have to again reprogram all the radios with the Shawnee County P25 talkgroups as well as the state talkgroups. Also, last I heard CECC does not have access to any of these state talkgroups. Just wait until some firefighter goes on scene and cant figure out why his radio says Soldier 1 but nobody can hear him...
KHP Troop A Switching Channels Again?
The last time I listened to Troop A all their units were on KSICS KHP A-1. But this afternoon the KHP A-1 radio traffic was back to the old days- dispatcher to unit traffic only except for cars in Miami and Leavenworth counties. I checked the "old" Johnson analog system and the metro cars weren't there either.
By any chance has anyone heard Troop A operating on the new JO 700 system?
The last time I listened to Troop A all their units were on KSICS KHP A-1. But this afternoon the KHP A-1 radio traffic was back to the old days- dispatcher to unit traffic only except for cars in Miami and Leavenworth counties. I checked the "old" Johnson analog system and the metro cars weren't there either.
By any chance has anyone heard Troop A operating on the new JO 700 system?
MadSpleen85
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I just turned Troop A on and heard the dispatcher on the JoCo 700MHz system. I have only heard Dispatcher to Unit traffic here as well. Will keep listening. I'm here all night. Have KSICS and JoCo 700 both scanning.
EDIT: Yes, JoCo Troop A traffic does seem to be on the 700 system.
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rankin39
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Both dispatch and mobiles for all agencies are simulcast on all of the Leavenworth County towers. One of them is located at the Johnson Co. Fire station just south of Desoto. Another is on the KHP tower at Bonner Springs interchange of the KTP. I'm surprised you can't get one or the other of those since both are actually in JoCo. Maybe you are in between them and the signals are canceling out. You might try an 800 MHz. yagi pointed at the nearest of those two towers. In any event, I think cancellation rather than signal strength is your problem.
Bob, WoNXN
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rankin39
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I use a mobile antenna from Comtelco. They also sell yagis, so you might check their catalog and other sources like them: Antenna Catalog - Comtelco
Probably some outfit locally there in JoCo sells them. Any 800 MHz. cellular beam would do fine. You might need to experiment with it to see if setting it to null out one of the towers would work better than pointing it directly at another. These new simulcast systems are a P.I.T.A. for scanners.
Bob, WoNXN
I have heard them on the jo co 700 system recently. There for a while they were on the state system and it was nice to finally be able to hear all the traffic again but now they ate back on jo co. I wish they would settle on something and stop the mix of systems.
The only license I show for an 800 site in the Pittsburg area is the 35 watt control station located at the KDOT office west of town- WQGQ455.
A post on another thread made me wonder- does anyone know what performance standard KDOT / Motorola designed KSICS to provide? Was is 95% mobile radio coverage- 95% portable coverage etc? It seems that local agencies are having to commit quite a bit of money to upgrade the system to provide what we would consider to be normal public safety coverage (e.g. portable inside a building).
I wondered about the same thing
I know Butler County had to build out several towers. The one tower in Cowley County is in the southeast part of the county. One consultant had told Cowley County thry would have to build out 6+ towers due to terrain to achive good coverage with portables.
I know Butler County had to build out several towers. The one tower in Cowley County is in the southeast part of the county. One consultant had told Cowley County thry would have to build out 6+ towers due to terrain to achive good coverage with portables.
The Butler County system was built to 95% "street level" coverage on a portable. They tell us that we should have 95% coverage, on a portable, standing in the middle of the street. Unfortunately, they did not guarantee the same for inside buildings...
Split of the KSICS Anchor thread...
May I make a suggestion on the KSICS thread?
I like the idea of an anchor thread for the KSICS system and as all can see, there has been a LOT of activity (for the Kansas Group at least) on this thread in the last year with about 13 pages of messages so far.
The problem lies in that this IS a popular topic and that there ARE 13 pages of messages so far. It is getting to the point where a new reader can’t easily catch up on previous events and then has to ask a question all over again that was previously discussed. Even the search feature is disappointing sometimes in its results unless you know exactly what you are looking for and how to parse search terms correctly. (Your search has returned 9,357,241 results….) The system has grown significantly over the last year to the point where I think it may be time to split this thread into "regional" sub-threads. My thought was three threads for KSICS East, Central, and West.
Since I'm in Harvey County, and although I am interested in what is happening in Franklin County, I don't really want to wade thru 25 to 30 messages about their implementation of KSICS or lack thereof with several intervening topics. Conversely, I am sure people in Leavenworth and Douglas Counties are interested in what is happening with the development of the system in the Wichita area with the same issue reversed. In this area, two counties have switched over almost entirely to KSICS now and I have heard a rumor of another county possibly doing the same within a year or so. With the announcement the other day that KDOT has gotten permission to finish the build-out of the system in the West, I can see a lot more messages flying around with that.
As a suggestion, we could have it split by the covered counties along KHP Troops lines. All the counties covered by Troops A, B, H and Capital in the East Thread, Troops C, F, and Turnpike in the Central Thread and Troops D and E in the West Thread. Or if that isn't what is wanted, we could put everything in the Northeast north of the Linn, Anderson, Coffey, Chase, Marion, McPherson, Rice County lines in a North Thread, everything south of that in a South Thread, and everything West of a Barber, Pratt, Stafford, Barton, Russell, Osborne, Smith County lines in a West Thread. I prefer the former myself because the KHP Troops also basically follow the KDOT Division lines with the exception of the Metro areas.
Anyone else have an opinion on this? (I know, silly question to ask this group)
May I make a suggestion on the KSICS thread?
I like the idea of an anchor thread for the KSICS system and as all can see, there has been a LOT of activity (for the Kansas Group at least) on this thread in the last year with about 13 pages of messages so far.
The problem lies in that this IS a popular topic and that there ARE 13 pages of messages so far. It is getting to the point where a new reader can’t easily catch up on previous events and then has to ask a question all over again that was previously discussed. Even the search feature is disappointing sometimes in its results unless you know exactly what you are looking for and how to parse search terms correctly. (Your search has returned 9,357,241 results….) The system has grown significantly over the last year to the point where I think it may be time to split this thread into "regional" sub-threads. My thought was three threads for KSICS East, Central, and West.
Since I'm in Harvey County, and although I am interested in what is happening in Franklin County, I don't really want to wade thru 25 to 30 messages about their implementation of KSICS or lack thereof with several intervening topics. Conversely, I am sure people in Leavenworth and Douglas Counties are interested in what is happening with the development of the system in the Wichita area with the same issue reversed. In this area, two counties have switched over almost entirely to KSICS now and I have heard a rumor of another county possibly doing the same within a year or so. With the announcement the other day that KDOT has gotten permission to finish the build-out of the system in the West, I can see a lot more messages flying around with that.
As a suggestion, we could have it split by the covered counties along KHP Troops lines. All the counties covered by Troops A, B, H and Capital in the East Thread, Troops C, F, and Turnpike in the Central Thread and Troops D and E in the West Thread. Or if that isn't what is wanted, we could put everything in the Northeast north of the Linn, Anderson, Coffey, Chase, Marion, McPherson, Rice County lines in a North Thread, everything south of that in a South Thread, and everything West of a Barber, Pratt, Stafford, Barton, Russell, Osborne, Smith County lines in a West Thread. I prefer the former myself because the KHP Troops also basically follow the KDOT Division lines with the exception of the Metro areas.
Anyone else have an opinion on this? (I know, silly question to ask this group)
Sounds good to me. I am partial to the division into East, Central and West as you laid it out.
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