KSICS Anchor Thread

[n0lqt]

I started adding some radio unit IDs to the wiki as noted on my 396xt. I also have quite a few individual KHP units but I am not sure of the rules regarding posting these since it is a unique user. This is my first time editing a wiki and I haven't quite figure out how to make a table so feel free to edit as necessary!

I don't think there is a "rule" per se. Personally, I wouldn't post those since they are unique identifiers and can even discriminate between car mounted and portable radios for an individual user. I am ex-cop though. Conversely, the info is available to anyone who wants to do their homework or is OCD enough (like me) to spend the many hours needed to match the radio id's with the radio call. I too have a list of 200+ Radio IDs to Unit numbers and have them in my scanner.

IMO, in posting individually identifiable information we just add fuel to the "encrypt it all" crowd in government.

 

[cinsu]

I don't think there is a "rule" per se. Personally, I wouldn't post those since they are unique identifiers and can even discriminate between car mounted and portable radios for an individual user. I am ex-cop though. Conversely, the info is available to anyone who wants to do their homework or is OCD enough (like me) to spend the many hours needed to match the radio id's with the radio call. I too have a list of 200+ Radio IDs to Unit numbers and have them in my scanner.

IMO, in posting individually identifiable information we just add fuel to the "encrypt it all" crowd in government.

Thanks for your input, I agree. I too have spent quite a few hours on various towers identifying radio IDs. I see no issue in posting general units, fire apparatus and stationary radios as these can be fairly easily identified by listening to the traffic for a short time or knowing the TG they are talking on. Unfortunately the way the XTs store unit id alpha tags you can't add very many but I have split KSICS into 6 different systems which saves me a little space. My next Unit ID project begins with the transition of Shawnee County to digital....

 

[n0lqt]

New towers on KSICS as of 01/31/2011

While running Pro96Com on the Wichita tower today, I noted there were several new sites listed in the adjacent site table;

Site #138 with a control channel on 851.73750, which comes back to license WQLY760. I have temporarily named it Butler #2 on my system. Not sure of the actual location yet. The FCC database shows 5 different towers licensed with that callsign all in Butler County. My best guess would be Potwin due to signal level and decode rate.

The active last is Site #144 with a control channel of 856.93750. I can't hear that one tonight (but then the weather is pretty nasty tonight and 800 MHz reception in way down due to path loss. I'll try that one again in a few days when the air dries out about Thursday.... (plus, I REALLY don't want to go up the tower this week to hook the beam antenna back up. I pulled it a few months ago to use the coax for another antenna)

If someone in Butler, eastern Sedgwick, northern Cowley, Elk, or Greenwood counties could try to pull the data off of them, that would be wonderful.

There is also Site 143 with a control channel also on 851.73750, but it is showing as "Failed, Current" in the table on the Wichita site, so I am guessing it isn't actually "up" yet, but is in the final build stages. Site #138 also lists a Site #220 as “Failed, Current” and I am assuming it is in the same category.

I've already submitted Site #138 control data, but if someone else can pin it down as to where it is exactly, we can give it a name…..

System ID : 1B2
System Name : Kansas Statewide Interoperable Communication System (KSICS)
WACN : BEE00
Tower Number (Decimal): 138
Tower Number (Hex) : T0126
Tower Description : Butler #2
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Call Sign(s) : WQLY760
Timestamp : Mon Jan 31 19:42:01 2011

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Frequency(/Slot)
"00-0051","i",851.32500,806.32500
"00-0067","a",851.42500,806.42500
"00-0117","c",851.73750,806.73750
"00-0169","v",852.06250,807.06250
"00-0293","v",852.83750,807.83750
"00-0427","v",853.67500,808.67500

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
101,"T0101",1b2,"00-2487",866.55000,"Severy"
109,"T0109",1b2,"00-2577",867.11250,"Virgil"
111,"T010B",1b2,"00-2597",867.23750,"Dexter"
112,"T010C",1b2,"00-2517",866.73750,"Eldorado"
113,"T010D",1b2,"00-2577",867.11250,"Wichita"
143,"T012B",1b2,"00-0117",851.73750,""
144,"T012C",1b2,"00-0949",856.93750,""
214,"T020E",1b2,"00-2637",867.48750,"Cottonwood Falls"
220,"T0214",1b2,"00-0209",852.31250,""

 

[jereck_99]

sitting in Southeast and pick a talkgroup 501 Ems dispatched to Waverly today and else picking it up

 

[dgruver911]

While running Pro96Com on the Wichita tower today, I noted there were several new sites listed in the adjacent site table;

Site #138 with a control channel on 851.73750, which comes back to license WQLY760. I have temporarily named it Butler #2 on my system. Not sure of the actual location yet. The FCC database shows 5 different towers licensed with that callsign all in Butler County. My best guess would be Potwin due to signal level and decode rate.

The active last is Site #144 with a control channel of 856.93750. I can't hear that one tonight (but then the weather is pretty nasty tonight and 800 MHz reception in way down due to path loss. I'll try that one again in a few days when the air dries out about Thursday.... (plus, I REALLY don't want to go up the tower this week to hook the beam antenna back up. I pulled it a few months ago to use the coax for another antenna)

If someone in Butler, eastern Sedgwick, northern Cowley, Elk, or Greenwood counties could try to pull the data off of them, that would be wonderful.

There is also Site 143 with a control channel also on 851.73750, but it is showing as "Failed, Current" in the table on the Wichita site, so I am guessing it isn't actually "up" yet, but is in the final build stages. Site #138 also lists a Site #220 as “Failed, Current” and I am assuming it is in the same category.
""

From the FCC records here are the site names:
1 KDOT (El Dorado)
2 Heartland (4995 NW Hopkins Switch; Potwin area)
3 Cole Creek (3277 SE 170th; Leon area)
4 Augusta East (8 mi east of Augusta)
5 Andover (1606 N Andover Rd)

The 856.9375 is Cassoday.

Joe: Thanks for pointing me in the right direction on Pro96Com. Have it running on my Pro197 on my desk here at work and it it showing the same things you mentioned here.

 

[n0lqt]

Site 112 El Dorado

OK, as of the last couple of days, the El Dorado site #112 is off the air. It is showing as "Failed" in the neighbors lists on nearby sites. I have also been able to get a signal off of Site 144 now (although poorly which makes me think it probably is Matfield Green) that the air has cleared and path loss is down with the lower humidity. Here's the Pro96Com data:

System ID : 1B2
System Name : Kansas Statewide Interoperable Communication System (KSICS)
WACN : BEE00
Tower Number (Decimal): 144
Tower Number (Hex) : T012C
Tower Description :
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Call Sign(s) : WQKZ1756
Timestamp : Thu Feb 10 20:16:06 2011

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Frequency(/Slot),Hit Count
"00-0869","i",856.43750,811.43750
"00-0949","c",856.93750,811.93750
"00-0997","a",857.23750,812.23750

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
101,"T0101",1b2,"00-2487",866.55000,"Severy"
109,"T0109",1b2,"00-2577",867.11250,"Virgil"
111,"T010B",1b2,"00-2597",867.23750,"Dexter"
112,"T010C",1b2,"00-2517",866.73750,"Eldorado"
113,"T010D",1b2,"00-2577",867.11250,"Wichita"
138,"T0126",1b2,"00-0117",851.73750,"Butler#2"
143,"T012B",1b2,"00-0117",851.73750,""
214,"T020E",1b2,"00-2637",867.48750,"Cottonwood Falls"
220,"T0214",1b2,"00-0209",852.31250,""

The callsign WQKZ1756 is not showing up in the database or on the FCC reports website which leads me to believe I goofed and didn't copy it right. I although I know CW I don't use it enough to be profecient and it does send it at about 20 wpm..... I will try to catch it again later tonight and edit the info. If anyone else would like to try, it ID's at :08 and :38 of the hour on 856.43750 MHz.

 

[jereck_99]

how are you guys getting the site tower can i do that with the Pro 106? and how

 

[fmon]

how are you guys getting the site tower can i do that with the Pro 106? and how

Yes, program these two freqs in TSYS of KSICS, 866.73750 & 867.06250 and set TYPE to P25 Auto.

 

[KS4260]

New Tower by Andover, Ks on Kansas Turnpike

I am new to RR and this is my first time posting information. I have seen on the Kansas Turnpike by Andover, Ks. a new Tower (maybe #138) Last week I stopped hearing any traffic on Primary Control Channel 866.73750. A friend told me to add 851.73750 to my frequency list for KSICS and I then heard everything I had been missing for the past week. I am now hearing traffic on the following.....

851.0250 852.06250 853.3750
851.8250 852.38750 853.6750
852.83750 853.8250

I live in Butler Co.. I have a Pro-106 & a Pro-197. They have come a long way from the old crystal scanners. Please let me know if I posted this in the wrong place.

 

[SCPD]

The large self-supporting tower along the KTA in Andover is part of the new BU 800 system that piggy backs on the KSICS system. Butler County is in the process of migrating to this system from the UHF system that they had/have. The process is not complete, but you will likely be hearing more and more on the BU System in the near future.

Hope that helps...

 

[radio2467]

Hutch Tower

In the Hutchinson News Feb 9, 2010 page A-5 a quote from Sheriff Henderson:

“Kansas Highway Patrol will contribute $200,000 to put up a radio tower in the vicinity of Fifth Avenue and Hendricks Street. Local law enforcement will contribute $20,000 from a drug fund” he said. “That will get everybody on board,” Henderson said, with the 800 megahertz radio system.


No timeframe was mentioned. Anyone have connections to obtain an estimated completion date?

 

[KAA951]

KSICS Tower Status Map

This map shows the current status of the P-25 buildout:

http://kansastag.ks.gov/AdvHTML_Doc_Upload/P-25TowerSiteStatus.pdf

I am not sure who draws these maps for the state- but they continue to show the system progressing county by county- as though the radio signals stop at the county line- instead of most coverage maps that show the radius from the tower site relative to the height and strength of the transmitter.

There is actually a push underway within the regional homeland security councils to fund the buildout of the whole system next year. They are raising pledges for approximately $2.5 million from the different regions across the state and then plan to challenge the state to match it. If they can pull it off they will be able to finish the system (each site runs about $250,000 to convert from conventional to the digital system).

 

[MadSpleen85]

Sounds like KHP Troop A is now using this system. Their dispatcher still seems to be transmitting on the old JoCo Analog system, have not heard any Troopers use that however.

 

[KAA951]

Sounds like KHP Troop A is now using this system. Their dispatcher still seems to be transmitting on the old JoCo Analog system, have not heard any Troopers use that however.

I have been hearing both sides of the Troop A radio traffic now on KSICS. They appear to be using KHP A-1 throughout Troop A.

Also, Troop B has apparently changed their radio operation- I am hearing Troopers on I-70 and north to Nebraska on KHP B-1 and the Troopers south around Lawrence and Ottawa (including I-35) on KHP B-2. They had been dispatching on the "zone" TGs (e.g. the Lawrence area was on B-E).

 

[nec911]

I have been hearing both sides of the Troop A radio traffic now on KSICS. They appear to be using KHP A-1 throughout Troop A.

Also, Troop B has apparently changed their radio operation- I am hearing Troopers on I-70 and north to Nebraska on KHP B-1 and the Troopers south around Lawrence and Ottawa (including I-35) on KHP B-2. They had been dispatching on the "zone" TGs (e.g. the Lawrence area was on B-E).

I keep my radio on scan for the A/B Troops and have been hearing the same thing throughout the zone. I wonder if they do what when they have so many troops out?

 

[mancow]

They recently moved all North of I-70 ops to B1 and South to B2 as you stated. They have abandonded B Zone E.

I have been hearing both sides of the Troop A radio traffic now on KSICS. They appear to be using KHP A-1 throughout Troop A.

Also, Troop B has apparently changed their radio operation- I am hearing Troopers on I-70 and north to Nebraska on KHP B-1 and the Troopers south around Lawrence and Ottawa (including I-35) on KHP B-2. They had been dispatching on the "zone" TGs (e.g. the Lawrence area was on B-E).

 

[KAA951]

Troop A seems like they are still adjusting to the change. Around 4pm today the dispatcher was complaining they had units operating on 4 different radio systems in the KC Metro. This was in the heavy winter storm- with plenty of calls going out and plenty of confusion as units couldn't hear who was responding to what. Shortly thereafter, they sent out a long tone and directed all the KHP units to switch to KHP A-1 on KSICS.

 

[mancow]

It's nice having them all on the TRS so we can now hear everything properly.

 

[KSquelch]

New KDOT Talkgroup 1153

I've been hearing KDOT on TG1153 tonight.

 

[nec911]

Troop A seems like they are still adjusting to the change. Around 4pm today the dispatcher was complaining they had units operating on 4 different radio systems in the KC Metro. This was in the heavy winter storm- with plenty of calls going out and plenty of confusion as units couldn't hear who was responding to what. Shortly thereafter, they sent out a long tone and directed all the KHP units to switch to KHP A-1 on KSICS.

Sometimes that happens. I remember sitting the consoles wishing that I had four ears and an extra mouth sometimes. I miss the fun....sometimes.