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Yea i was referring to the Wichita / Sedwick Co. ) i'm still learning the Ropes on Here even though i Registered in 2009 i'v just been on here on the Site Very Sparingly i Knew how to use my BC 780 and i only came on here as Mentioned for a Few times for Updates to stuff around me) Matter of Fact i had to Wait till i had 4 Post on here to were i could see what i Posted which i Understand they just wanted to make sure i was Following the Rules i'm on the Verizon Forums Quite a Bit) But i'll get it figured out) i would however Like to know how to Put Smileys and Emotioncon's on here i'm assuming you have to be on here for a While to Do this.. Lol Thanks for all your Help b780
 
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I heard the first patient report on talkgroup 4145 listed as Stormont Vail under Shawnee County. It was on the Topeka Tower between Lifestar and Stormont Vail. Vail was using Radio ID 57038 which is the highest I have logged so far. I have seen AMR in Topeka using XTS 2500s and XTS 5000s so they may be equipping to switch as well. Their units in Johnson County and Independence already operate on P25 systems so I don't see why they wouldn't already be equipped. It would make sense for them to use KSICS especially for transports.

My only hope is they allow CECC to get equipped first. I have heard many times where the link to Independence goes down and CECC has to take over dispatching.
 
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My only hope is they allow CECC to get equipped first. I have heard many times where the link to Independence goes down and CECC has to take over dispatching.

Everytime I have heard the link go down, they have a supervisor dispatch from AMR HQ in Topeka instead of CECC. I believe they still have a full radio console at HQ.
 

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Everytime I have heard the link go down, they have a supervisor dispatch from AMR HQ in Topeka instead of CECC. I believe they still have a full radio console at HQ.

Mid last year they had a newer supervisor and CECC took over for a brief time until the higher up supervisor came in

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Pottawatomie County has licensed and brought an 800 conventional repeater online in Belvue, Kansas that repeats TG 4254, Pottawatomie SO Dispatch. It is listed in the database (thank you whoever found this!). Pretty smart IMHO as they had a huge hole there that 2 of their more populated areas were in. It sounds like it is set up to repeat both ways, while listening to the KSICS side I can hear a digitized squelch tail after St. Marys PD talks.

It has pretty good coverage, I regularly listen to it on an FT-60 from Silver Lake. I'll be surprised if more agencies don't do this as well. I would imagine 2 800 mhz repeaters linked together is considerably cheaper than an entire simulcast site and with some of the huge holes in KSICS coverage the local guys will need it.
 

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Wichita KSICS Site moving to 10 frequencies

It appears that the license for site 013 (Wichita) has been amended to bring the site from 6 to 10 frequencies.

YE WQFH766
KANSAS, STATE OF
[COMMUNICATIONS ESSENTIAL TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY ACTIVITIES OF THE APPLICANT]
Control Point 1 - 700 SW HARRISON, TOPEKA KS 785-296-3661
(link)
02/07/2013 License Modified
1 - 3200 E. 45TH ST. N., WICHITA (SEDGWICK) KS [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)
852.1125 FB2C 150p 415e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
851.8 FB2C 150p 415e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
852.4125 FB2C 150p 415e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
852.75 FB2C 150p 415e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
853.475 FB2C 150p 415e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
853.9 FB2C 150p 415e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
851.6375 FB2C 150p 415e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
852.2625 FB2C 150p 415e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
853.05 FB2C 150p 415e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
853.625 FB2C 150p 415e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
2 - (SEDGWICK) KS 48.0 km radius around fixed location 1
807.1125 MO 35p 70e Units: 500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
806.8 MO 35p 70e Units: 500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
807.4125 MO 35p 70e Units: 500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
807.75 MO 35p 70e Units: 500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
808.475 MO 35p 70e Units: 500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
808.9 MO 35p 70e Units: 500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
808.625 MO 35p 70e Units: 500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
808.05 MO 35p 70e Units: 500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
807.2625 MO 35p 70e Units: 500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
806.6375 MO 35p 70e Units: 500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
3 - (SEDGWICK) KS Land mobile control station meeting 20 rule
808.9 FX1 35p 326e Units: 8 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
808.475 FX1 35p 326e Units: 8 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
807.1125 FX1 35p 326e Units: 8 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
806.8 FX1 35p 326e Units: 8 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
807.4125 FX1 35p 326e Units: 8 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
807.75 FX1 35p 326e Units: 8 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
806.6375 FX1 35p 326e Units: 8 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
807.2625 FX1 35p 326e Units: 8 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
808.05 FX1 35p 326e Units: 8 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
808.625 FX1 35p 326e Units: 8 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
 

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It appears that the license for site 013 (Wichita) has been amended to bring the site from 6 to 10 frequencies.

YE WQFH766
KANSAS, STATE OF
[COMMUNICATIONS ESSENTIAL TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY ACTIVITIES OF THE APPLICANT]
Control Point 1 - 700 SW HARRISON, TOPEKA KS 785-296-3661
(link)
02/07/2013 License Modified
1 - 3200 E. 45TH ST. N., WICHITA (SEDGWICK) KS [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)
852.1125 FB2C 150p 415e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
851.8 FB2C 150p 415e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
852.4125 FB2C 150p 415e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
852.75 FB2C 150p 415e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
853.475 FB2C 150p 415e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
853.9 FB2C 150p 415e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
851.6375 FB2C 150p 415e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
852.2625 FB2C 150p 415e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
853.05 FB2C 150p 415e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
853.625 FB2C 150p 415e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
2 - (SEDGWICK) KS 48.0 km radius around fixed location 1
807.1125 MO 35p 70e Units: 500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
806.8 MO 35p 70e Units: 500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
807.4125 MO 35p 70e Units: 500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
807.75 MO 35p 70e Units: 500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
808.475 MO 35p 70e Units: 500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
808.9 MO 35p 70e Units: 500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
808.625 MO 35p 70e Units: 500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
808.05 MO 35p 70e Units: 500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
807.2625 MO 35p 70e Units: 500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
806.6375 MO 35p 70e Units: 500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
3 - (SEDGWICK) KS Land mobile control station meeting 20 rule
808.9 FX1 35p 326e Units: 8 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
808.475 FX1 35p 326e Units: 8 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
807.1125 FX1 35p 326e Units: 8 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
806.8 FX1 35p 326e Units: 8 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
807.4125 FX1 35p 326e Units: 8 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
807.75 FX1 35p 326e Units: 8 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
806.6375 FX1 35p 326e Units: 8 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
807.2625 FX1 35p 326e Units: 8 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
808.05 FX1 35p 326e Units: 8 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
808.625 FX1 35p 326e Units: 8 8K10F1D 8K10F1E



Sounds like the site might be getting closer to digital maybe is that the Case

Hey KAA do you use the Arc XT software when you put your frequencies into your scanner if so how ya like it.. :)
 

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Sounds like the site might be getting closer to digital maybe is that the Case

Hey KAA do you use the Arc XT software when you put your frequencies into your scanner if so how ya like it.. :)

This is KSICS, so it is already P-25 digital. Wichita / Sedgwick County has a completely separate system that is currently analog and is being updated to P-25.

I do use the ARC software and have for years. I don't have any complaints about it.
 

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Hey KAA do you use the Arc XT software when you put your frequencies into your scanner if so how ya like it.. :)
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Now that KAA has responded I will add my 2¢ as well, I have used ARC software since I had a radioshack pro-528 and now arc XT and it is my favorite. It has minor bugs but they are easy to get past. Only thing to keep in mind is to save your system files AND your profile list.

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Well one thing i have notice with this software and it might have been the way it was loaded in my scanner is that there are Talk Groups in places i'd rather them not to be :roll: i'll try to explain as best as i can


Say for Reno Co./ Hutch i will call sight 1 -----
In this site i just wanted:

Reno Co So
Hutch PD
Fire
EMS
and maybe Lifewatch &
the KHP

But in the sight is also Butler Co, Finney Co,
Ellis, & Elsworth, and the only way to get rid of them is
to Delete them but for some reason they pop up in other
sites as well) it can get a little annoying


For sight--2 KHP I wanted KHP, STFM, And KBI

And this is what showed Up:

KHP All Troops
STFM
KBI

But this is what also showed up
My Co. Reno Co
Butler Co
Finney Co.
Elsworth
Ellis
Life Team All Talk Groups

And in other sites i'm seeing about the same Talk Groups it Make me wonder if i need to Scratch my Head or something or is this Normal for the KSICS System to have talk Groups in Area's that to should not be..




 
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Well one thing i have notice with this software and it might have been the way it was loaded in my scanner is that there are Talk Groups in places i'd rather them not to be :roll: i'll try to explain as best as i can


Say for Reno Co./ Hutch i will call sight 1 -----
In this site i just wanted:

Reno Co So
Hutch PD
Fire
EMS
and maybe Lifewatch &
the KHP

But in the sight is also Butler Co, Finney Co,
Ellis, & Elsworth, and the only way to get rid of them is
to Delete them but for some reason they pop up in other
sites as well) it can get a little annoying


For sight--2 KHP I wanted KHP, STFM, And KBI

And this is what showed Up:

KHP All Troops
STFM
KBI

But this is what also showed up
My Co. Reno Co
Butler Co
Finney Co.
Elsworth
Ellis
Life Team All Talk Groups

And in other sites i'm seeing about the same Talk Groups it Make me wonder if i need to Scratch my Head or something or is this Normal for the KSICS System to have talk Groups in Area's that to should not be..





780-

Yes, this is normal. KSICS is a STATEWIDE "wide-area" trunking system. A user can stand in Ulysses and use their portable radio to seamlessly talk with someone in Kansas City or anywhere else in the state. The talkgroup simply follows their radio from tower to tower, much like a cell phone.

Every site will have all the talk groups automatically since the potentially could be on almost any one of them. You will simply need to select the talk groups you want to monitor on each site in range of your scanner in the ARC program and ignore the others.
 

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That's what heard KAA that guys in the Field could do that they could be in one corner of the state and talk to someone if needed in another corner i guess i need to figure out way to roll with it..

If i may ask how did you set your 396 or scanner up! Did you leave what's there but lock out the talk groups not needed or did you Delete some of them..
 

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As has been discussed on here many times previously, these new scanners involve a different thought process than older scanners. .You can't think it terms of frequencies, channels and talkgroups, but consider each an "object" that you want to monitor.

Set up a KSICS trunk system that contains all the primary and secondary control channels ONLY. Or, like in the case of my office scanner, just the control channels for the towers in counties adjacent to mine.

Then set up your scan list with only those talkgroups you want to monitor. If you want to set up one with the wildcard character * so you can find new stuff, that works, but just know it will pick up ANYTHING that it hears on any tower, which could be any talkgroup from any state or local agency on the system.
 
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Parsons Police

FYI, I was listening in on the Labette County online feed and heard a unit identify himself as broadcasting on the Parsons 800 channel. Got no response from anyone.

And, about a week ago I heard Labette County sheriffs office make a statement over the air that "officers in Oswego, Chetopa and one other little town can now start transmitting on "county wide 800.

Since then, I haven't heard any traffic on their VHF county wide freq.

Parsons PD is still VHF, although they switch between two freqs at times. Labette county EMS and related emergency services are still VHF.

It's just a matter of time.....
 

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Parsons PD "PD-3"

At 9:00 a.m. this morning I heard the Parsons police chief come over the 800mhz on the Labette county feed. He said "170 to units, we are patched in and I want you to talk to me over PD3", and got no response from any PD units. After a short pause, a couple of Labette county sheriffs' officers did respond and told them they could hear him. Then one of them transmitted "Sheriff (number I forget) to headquarters......" and got not response".

So, evidently 170 (the chief) was uptown at HQ trying out their 800 radio system and must not have been able to receive those LBSO units traffic.

So, PPD is trying to get their ducks in a row, but not making much headway. Can't tell for sure, but it sounds like they are trying to do everything on their own and don't have any expert help....cutting corners, probably.

On edit~ at 10a.m., they're back on the air right now. One patrolman on the southwest corner of town called in a 10-28- was breaking up and didn't come in 10-2. The Chief, on the desk downtown, told him that he was 10-1 and "if he was on his handheld he needed to either get out of the car of to hold it up or something".

The car then responded that he was in fact on his handheld and he'd just been driving down the road and ran a 28 to try out the system, that he would hold it up or get out of the car. No more after that. So, I don't know if he was on handheld that transmission, or on mobile unit.

At 10:06 he just ran another 10-28, desk responded, then he volunteered that "that was on my handheld standing outside the vehicle".....

One thing I do notice is that none of their voices sound at all familiar coming over the 800, as compared to VHF. Everyone sounds the same. There may be times when they've been talking and I didn't recognize them, unless they give their unit number or a location that catches my attention.

The transmissions over the 800 sound nothing like VHF. A whole different sound. It's more muffled, not as crisp and clear....
 
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yes that is why sometime you will hear them go to tac 1 tac 2 because they are they out radio and
 

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780-

Yes, this is normal. KSICS is a STATEWIDE "wide-area" trunking system. A user can stand in Ulysses and use their portable radio to seamlessly talk with someone in Kansas City or anywhere else in the state. The talkgroup simply follows their radio from tower to tower, much like a cell phone.

Every site will have all the talk groups automatically since the potentially could be on almost any one of them. You will simply need to select the talk groups you want to monitor on each site in range of your scanner in the ARC program and ignore the others.

Not all talkgroups are in every tower. All statewide talkgroups are (KHP, KBI, Statewide EM, ICS & Interoperability, etc.), but most local TGs are not. When I worked county fire in Finney County years ago, right when they switched on, I could hit towers around southwest KS for our local fire talkgroups, but once I got past the Great Bend area, the radio began giving me "out of range" tones for those TGs. However, I could pull the KHP and other TGs anywhere I went.

Think of the non-statewide TGs as having "regions" within the state that they're assigned to in terms of towers; the best way to guess is to group them much like KHP is organized in troops: if it's in the Troop B area, chances are it'll hit most towers in Troop B, and likely Troop A due to proximity and population, and maybe a few on the edges of C and F.

There are some exceptions of course: Midwest Life Team, EagleMed, LifeWatch, LifeNet, LifeStar and every other EMS service on the system are statewide, as is the KANG, and a few other agencies/groups that otherwise are regionally oriented.

The point behind this is if all TGs are statewide, you could potentially drag down several trunking controllers simultaneously by one person going across the state, and leaving their radio on their home talkgroup, thereby dragging extra traffic across repeaters that don't normally handle it (which is why they assigned dozens of statewide and regional interoperability talkgroups to use for "long distance" communication).
 

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Well one thing i see with this system is Like when i'm monitoring my Area i have my city that shows up on the top line of the Display but when like Butler Co. or some other thing pops in). it alternates from my City to like Butler or Lifeteam it's sometime hard to keep up with but i guess that's how it goes when monitoring this system


One thing i was wondering as well when Monitoring this system what is the best thresh hold setting to put my 396 on or is best to just leave it alone And my Audio AGC was set at No i turned it on but to me the results are the same as if it was off.


And i turned on the P25 filter i still wonder if that has helped any to me things don't seem that they are but i haven't done the firmware update yet either i'm a waiting to make sure Good results come from it.


My scanner is currently on:


1.10.00
 

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Not all talkgroups are in every tower. All statewide talkgroups are (KHP, KBI, Statewide EM, ICS & Interoperability, etc.), but most local TGs are not. When I worked county fire in Finney County years ago, right when they switched on, I could hit towers around southwest KS for our local fire talkgroups, but once I got past the Great Bend area, the radio began giving me "out of range" tones for those TGs. However, I could pull the KHP and other TGs anywhere I went.

Think of the non-statewide TGs as having "regions" within the state that they're assigned to in terms of towers; the best way to guess is to group them much like KHP is organized in troops: if it's in the Troop B area, chances are it'll hit most towers in Troop B, and likely Troop A due to proximity and population, and maybe a few on the edges of C and F.

There are some exceptions of course: Midwest Life Team, EagleMed, LifeWatch, LifeNet, LifeStar and every other EMS service on the system are statewide, as is the KANG, and a few other agencies/groups that otherwise are regionally oriented.

The point behind this is if all TGs are statewide, you could potentially drag down several trunking controllers simultaneously by one person going across the state, and leaving their radio on their home talkgroup, thereby dragging extra traffic across repeaters that don't normally handle it (which is why they assigned dozens of statewide and regional interoperability talkgroups to use for "long distance" communication).

You are correct. However, I was doing my best to keep my explanation simple as the person asking was a beginner.
 

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At 1330 today Kansas National Guard communications HQ, Oz-30, conducted a roll call of Sunflower units 01 through 47 for weather reports from around the state. Presumably there will be further highway patrols using humvees over the next 24 hours to aid stranded motorists. The weather reports and road patrols use KSICS TG 1294.

Bob, WoNXN
 
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