Ottawa P25

[bpsmicro]

What I'm hearing from my contacts "inside" is the entire project is a tad behind schedule, and not going especially well. No specifics as to what the problem is though. I'd wager that they're pretty close though, and once they get over this hump you'll see some acceleration.

 

[DaveH]

I was thinking more down the lines of people finding/reporting new TGs and/or frequencies; apparently not.

Dave

 

[mmisk]

I ran this for a while today:

 

[IdleMonitor]

Here's some ID's I managed to hear today on Site 01

2010 ID:2010
2011 ID:2011
2054 ID:2054
3004 ID:3004 Encrypted

 

[IdleMonitor]

Here's some more I've heard today as well.

2031
2055
2057

 

[roots]

Got some info regarding de migration, I've got January 11 as the PD migration date. Anyone got confirmation on a date?

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[mmisk]

OC Law

Well that is not far off, but not surprised.

I don't hear OC Law on EDACS anymore so perhaps they are one of the P215 enc talk groups?



Mike

 

[IdleMonitor]

Was able to do some monitoring of this system today while I was in the city. Here's my findings.

1519 Encrypted
1521 P25
1529 P25
1528 P25
1530 P25
1531 P25
2009 P25
2572 Encrypted
3001 Encrypted
3554 OFD - Fire Training 1 (Same as city EDACS system) - P25

All were P25 digital unless noted encrypted and were captured on Site 2.

Monitored with a BC396T scanner.

 

[IdleMonitor]

Any more updates on this system yet?

Has anyone been able to ID any of the talkgroups that's been posted in this thread?

 

[OttawaBob]

I can confirm that the P25 project has been delayed by technical issues. This has caused a domino effect in bringing agencies across.

I do not have any fixed completion dates at this point.

 

[IdleMonitor]

I also want to note. What I stated was encrypted may just be phase 2 stuff that I can't decipher. Sounded like enc to me though. Again, I was monitoring using the 396T

 

[DaveH]

I also want to note. What I stated was encrypted may just be phase 2 stuff that I can't decipher. Sounded like enc to me though. Again, I was monitoring using the 396T

P25 TGs you note as Encrypted are just that...not aware of any phase II at this point.

EDACS system continues to be quite active except of course user groups which have not moved over.
More than 1500 radios (largely busses) and >100 TGs recently logged.

Dave

 

[IdleMonitor]

P25 TGs you note as Encrypted are just that...not aware of any phase II at this point.

EDACS system continues to be quite active except of course user groups which have not moved over.
More than 1500 radios (largely busses) and >100 TGs recently logged.

Dave

Can you post the 100 or so tg's you mention here. Then I can update my system in the radio. Then I can try an have a listen to them also next time I'm in the city.

 

[DaveH]

I don't have access to the list at the moment as it's on an older PC which is having some difficulty booting up. But I do recall the main activity is OFS, OPS (which you can't hear on a scanner), some bylaw and parking control, a few remaining OC Transpo groups (plus a whole lot of OC Transpo iCall activity).

One thing I never really did figure out is a number of groups in the Transpo range 22x/23x which show up in logs, but not as voice hits. I wonder if it's some sort of messaging which doesn't use voice channels.

The old PC above still has a serial port which is driven by the same data slicer built in 1998, and the EDACS system was first system ever seen/logged using it.

Dave

 

[OttawaMark]

So I'm trying to set up the new P25 system on my old 396t and I'm having issues. I set the system up as moto p25 and I've entered the two control channels yet the scanner does not seem to find the system.

Does anyone have a step-by-step guide to setting up this system?

 

[OttawaMark]

So I'm trying to set up the new P25 system on my old 396t and I'm having issues. I set the system up as moto p25 and I've entered the two control channels yet the scanner does not seem to find the system.

Does anyone have a step-by-step guide to setting up this system?

Disregard. I figured it out.

 

[Jay911]

I was in the airport for about 90 minutes on Saturday on a stopover on a cross-country trip. Took a bunch of effort to receive the system, but I did, on both my 436 and my SDR with Unitrunker.

Interestingly enough, this system doesn't seem to be using the same TGID values as the EDACS talkgroups - at least, not on the ones I monitored - which is common in my experience when a new system is being built out to replace an old one.

TG 461
RIDs in the 17000 block with 19991 and 19992 being some kind of dispatchers. Sample exchanges included:
(222) "222, I'm clear of the run."
(Dispatch) "222, thank you for your help, 10-19, have a good evening."

Another was "913 clear of BC".

One more:
(Dispatch) "Go, 962"
(962) "Somebody put a 5:30 on my run. I'm just leaving Heatherington now. I don't think I'll make that 5:30."

TG 1505
Sounded like Bus Control. "Route 14 at Gladstone, do not go with the detour, please give Control a call, Control clear" Control appeared to be RID 258.

TG 1519
Only logged once with Unitrunker. RID in the 16000 range.

TG 1521
Only logged with Unitrunker. Several times, RIDs in the 17000 range.

TG 2054
RID 21134 appears to be dispatch telling a unit with an RID in the 20000 range to pick up Bylaw waiting at an address.

TG 3001
This one was always protected (encrypted) but the busiest during my brief monitoring session. RID 114 was the exclusive transmitter - that could mean RID 114 is a radio linking that TG to something on the EDACS system (the link radio would be the only radio ID seen on the destination system, aka the P25 system).

Oddity seen on the system: LCN 15-4095 seen more than once giving a grant to talkgroup 0. Doesn't make much sense as that LCN is invalid (no band plan for iden 15); LCN 15-4095 would be F-FFF. Maybe Unitrunker is misreading something.

By the way, all the grants I saw - however few they were - were exclusively FDMA (P25 Phase 1). No Phase 2 activity was noted.

 

[IdleMonitor]

I've seen this one show up with ENC

TG 1519
Only logged once with Unitrunker. RID in the 16000 range.

 

[Jammin_Jay]

I found this posting on Ottawa police website for a radio technician regarding the new p25 system, one of the responsibilities is cryptography of radio keys for encryption within a KMF , keys management facility database of radio keys. And other descriptive responsibilities listed in the link I provided below.
Since the police service posted this in July, it may be sometime yet, for a complete switch over,

http://www.ottawapolice.ca/en/caree...ectronic_Technologist_July_2016_10114301.docx

 

[rmoc_guy]

Looking for some help here. So I have a BCD325P2 and a BCD396XT, and I can't seem to receive I-Calls on both of them for this P25 system (as I know OC heavily uses I-Calls). According to my contacts who work for OC, half the fleet has been switched over, so I assume there should be a fair amount of I-Call activity by now.

I've done the standard programming in the "i0" as a stored channel (and it is not locked out, as obviously that would be a problem if it was), and before I programmed that in, it was in ID Search mode, and still doesn't seem to work. Am I missing anything / is anyone else having problems receiving I-Calls.

Also just to add to the OC stuff, the RID 258 is a patch ID between the old EDACS and new P25 talkgroups.