PA Statewide P25 Phase 2 System

[HM1529]

ULS License - Public Safety Pool, Conventional License - WQLN221 - Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

That's the other site, on Mount Davis.

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I don't think this site will be part of the P25 Phase 2 system. The same FRN was used to obtain all of the VHF narrowband licenses for DCNR's VHF upgrade. If there is nothing licensed as FB8 at a site, I don't think it will be used.

Now, that doesn't mean that down the road, they can't get a modification. But, if the frequency isn't clean for a wide area, they're not going to want to use it for the TRS. Obtaining clear spectrum was one of the biggest challenges for the Phase 2 system and a reason the system is multiband. There just wasn't enough available clear VHF spectrum in congested metro areas.

 

[EMT1301]

I don't think this site will be part of the P25 Phase 2 system. The same FRN was used to obtain all of the VHF narrowband licenses for DCNR's VHF upgrade. If there is nothing licensed as FB8 at a site, I don't think it will be used.

Now, that doesn't mean that down the road, they can't get a modification. But, if the frequency isn't clean for a wide area, they're not going to want to use it for the TRS. Obtaining clear spectrum was one of the biggest challenges for the Phase 2 system and a reason the system is multiband. There just wasn't enough available clear VHF spectrum in congested metro areas.

Oh, I believe you are correct. I didn't even realize that was the DCNR channels for the Mount Davis repeater.

 

[Railbender]

109 sounds like it might be a Game Commission unit. NW PA is District 1 for PGC. I saw a PowerPoint presentation from the game commission the other day that confirms PGC is active on the new system in district 1

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Correct. This morning I was able to associate it with talkgroup 12000. Again clear voice.

 

[druhe]

As I was poking around the FCC site I stumbled into WQLM930, and according to the listed information this site is local to me. Any idea if this will be part of the new StarNet system ? I haven't seen any of this information posted anywhere else, I even checked DCNR and PSP nothing there.

ULS License - Public Safety Pool, Conventional License - WQLM930 - Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

After some further investigation, I was able to determine that these are part of the DCNR system.

 

[Railbender]

Talkgroups 10130 & 10131 have been extremely active with encrypted traffic this afternoon on the Erie site.

 

[EMT1301]

I don't think this site will be part of the P25 Phase 2 system. The same FRN was used to obtain all of the VHF narrowband licenses for DCNR's VHF upgrade. If there is nothing licensed as FB8 at a site, I don't think it will be used.

Now, that doesn't mean that down the road, they can't get a modification. But, if the frequency isn't clean for a wide area, they're not going to want to use it for the TRS. Obtaining clear spectrum was one of the biggest challenges for the Phase 2 system and a reason the system is multiband. There just wasn't enough available clear VHF spectrum in congested metro areas.

Okay, I understand where my confusion came from. I was observing the FCC applications for this service, not the licenses. I knew I had seen some kind of activity at the Mount Davis tower. This is what I was thinking about: http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/ApplicationSearch/applMain.jsp?applID=8347817 This is an inactive application for a new PA-STARNet site on Mount Davis.

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[EMT1301]

Okay, I understand where my confusion came from. I was observing the FCC applications for this service, not the licenses. I knew I had seen some kind of activity at the Mount Davis tower. This is what I was thinking about: http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/ApplicationSearch/applMain.jsp?applID=8347817 This is an inactive application for a new PA-STARNet site on Mount Davis.

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Here is the license associated with that application: http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=3644652

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[EMT1301]

After some further investigation, I was able to determine that these are part of the DCNR system.

And here's the Cambria site, Dan: http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=3646504

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[EMT1301]

Here is the license associated with that application: http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=3644652

It looks like PA is having difficulty obtaining frequencies for the base station at this site (SOME06), so there is only a mobile license issued at this time.

 

[Railbender]

Have seen aprox 14 tg ids, and about 36 RIDS so far.

As of last nights logs I have seen 70 or 71 Radio IDs & 14 Talk groups on the Erie site. All except Game Comm. Unit 109 on TG 12000 have been encrypted or data.

Radio List for this system
as of 10/04/2017

Format: RadioID(Decimal),Description

14,"TG: 10026
15,"TG: 10026
16,"TG: 10026
17,"TG: 10129
302,"TG: 10131
1001,"TG: 10001
1200008,"TG: 10127
1200015,"TG: 10131
1200016,"TG: 10131
1200018,"TG: 10131
1200039,"TG: 10128
1200042,"TG: 10128
1200046,"TG: 10128
1200049,"TG: 10128
1200052,"TG: 10130
1200053,"DT:
1200054,"TG: 10001
1200055,"TG: 10001
1200056,"TG: 10001
1200058,"TG: 10130
1200062,"TG: 10130
1200073,"TG: 10131
1200077,"TG: 10131
1200083,"TG: 10131
1200084,"TG: 10131
1200087,"TG: 10131
1200097,"TG: 10127
1200135,"DT:
1200136,"TG: 10026
1200138,"TG: 10127
1200139,"TG: 10127
1200140,"TG: 10127
1200141,"TG: 10127
1200142,"TG: 10001
1200143,"TG: 10127
1200146,"TG: 10127
1200148,"TG: 10127
1200151,"TG: 10001
1200152,"TG: 10001
1200155,"TG: 10127
1230018,"TG: 12000
1230022,"TG: 12000
1230028,"TG: 12000
1230029,"TG: 12000
1230031,"TG: 12000
1230033,"DT:
1230034,"TG: 12000
1230035,"TG: 12000
1230037,"TG: 12000
5200129,"TG: 10127
5200132,"TG: 10127
5200133,"TG: 10127
5200134,"TG: 10127
5200136,"TG: 10101
5200139,"TG: 10127
5200140,"TG: 10127
5200149,"TG: 10127
5200152,"TG: 10127
5200155,"TG: 10127
5200163,"TG: 10127
5200166,"TG: 10026
5200168,"TG: 10127
5200170,"TG: 10127
5200176,"TG: 10127
5200177,"TG: 10127
5200179,"TG: 10127
5200180,"TG: 10127
9000005,"TG: 10028
9000006,"TG: 10001
9000008,"TG: 10001

Talkgroup List for this system
as of 10/04/2017

10001
10002
10011
10026
10027
10028
10065
10101
10127
10128
10129
10130
10131
12000

 

[scan-pa]

Nice.

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[scnrfrq]

As of last nights logs I have seen 70 or 71 Radio IDs & 14 Talk groups on the Erie site. All except Game Comm. Unit 109 on TG 12000 have been encrypted or data.

Radio List for this system
as of 10/04/2017

Format: RadioID(Decimal),Description

14,"TG: 10026
15,"TG: 10026
16,"TG: 10026
17,"TG: 10129
302,"TG: 10131
1001,"TG: 10001
1200008,"TG: 10127
1200015,"TG: 10131
1200016,"TG: 10131
1200018,"TG: 10131
1200039,"TG: 10128
1200042,"TG: 10128
1200046,"TG: 10128
1200049,"TG: 10128
1200052,"TG: 10130
1200053,"DT:
1200054,"TG: 10001
1200055,"TG: 10001
1200056,"TG: 10001
1200058,"TG: 10130
1200062,"TG: 10130
1200073,"TG: 10131
1200077,"TG: 10131
1200083,"TG: 10131
1200084,"TG: 10131
1200087,"TG: 10131
1200097,"TG: 10127
1200135,"DT:
1200136,"TG: 10026
1200138,"TG: 10127
1200139,"TG: 10127
1200140,"TG: 10127
1200141,"TG: 10127
1200142,"TG: 10001
1200143,"TG: 10127
1200146,"TG: 10127
1200148,"TG: 10127
1200151,"TG: 10001
1200152,"TG: 10001
1200155,"TG: 10127
1230018,"TG: 12000
1230022,"TG: 12000
1230028,"TG: 12000
1230029,"TG: 12000
1230031,"TG: 12000
1230033,"DT:
1230034,"TG: 12000
1230035,"TG: 12000
1230037,"TG: 12000
5200129,"TG: 10127
5200132,"TG: 10127
5200133,"TG: 10127
5200134,"TG: 10127
5200136,"TG: 10101
5200139,"TG: 10127
5200140,"TG: 10127
5200149,"TG: 10127
5200152,"TG: 10127
5200155,"TG: 10127
5200163,"TG: 10127
5200166,"TG: 10026
5200168,"TG: 10127
5200170,"TG: 10127
5200176,"TG: 10127
5200177,"TG: 10127
5200179,"TG: 10127
5200180,"TG: 10127
9000005,"TG: 10028
9000006,"TG: 10001
9000008,"TG: 10001

Talkgroup List for this system
as of 10/04/2017

10001
10002
10011
10026
10027
10028
10065
10101
10127
10128
10129
10130
10131
12000

I'll be able to start monitoring on 10/13. With this long list, I'll be able to tell right away if my 436 is set
up correctly!

 

[Railbender]

I'll be able to start monitoring on 10/13. With this long list, I'll be able to tell right away if my 436 is set
up correctly!

The activity is not continuous. It seems to run in groups lasting up to perhaps one half hour or less and then quiet for awhile. The 3rd was very active and so was the 4tth. Today is very quiet. Although I did get Game Comm 136 in clear voice. Most seems to be during the 0800 - 1700 time frame leading me to think it is testing.

 

[HM1529]

Can somebody up in the NW frontier confirm the frequencies for sites 1-007 (Cussewago) and 1-011 (Erie)? 141.415 is listed in the database for both.

Also, if you have information to add for the system in the way of tower sites, simulcast sites, confirmed talkgroups, etc, please use the database submission option. There is a tab at the top of the database page that would take you here:

https://www.radioreference.com/apps/submit/?sid=9276

Sending updates via PM or the forums can lead to missed data.

Things like unconfirmed talkgroups can, ideally, be collaborated on via the wiki page for the system or discussed here in the forum. That stuff should not be sent in as a submission since it is not included on the database page.

 

[Railbender]

Can somebody up in the NW frontier confirm the frequencies for sites 1-007 (Cussewago) and 1-011 (Erie)? 141.415 is listed in the database for both.

I assume you mean 151.415. That is the control channel for Erie. The 3 frequencies listed in the data base for Erie are correct and correspond to license WQWA746 (That is where I came up with them.). I have been monitoring the Erie site for a week now and they are the ones logged.

 

[HM1529]

Yes, fat fingers. I figured it was going to be right for that site since it is the control channel. Seems like the other site would be close enough that there would be an issue reusing that frequency, though.

 

[Railbender]

Yes, fat fingers. I figured it was going to be right for that site since it is the control channel. Seems like the other site would be close enough that there would be an issue reusing that frequency, though.

Yes the towers are only 30 miles or less apart. Due to what we call the I-90 ridge, where the 911 center & Erie site tower are located, I have very poor reception of anything to the south. I will give it a try next week since we have some rainy days in the forecast.

 

[ekim223]

Can somebody up in the NW frontier confirm the frequencies for sites 1-007 (Cussewago) and 1-011 (Erie)? 141.415 is listed in the database for both.

Also, if you have information to add for the system in the way of tower sites, simulcast sites, confirmed talkgroups, etc, please use the database submission option. There is a tab at the top of the database page that would take you here:

https://www.radioreference.com/apps/submit/?sid=9276

Sending updates via PM or the forums can lead to missed data.

Things like unconfirmed talkgroups can, ideally, be collaborated on via the wiki page for the system or discussed here in the forum. That stuff should not be sent in as a submission since it is not included on the database page.

The freqs I am seeing on the ProCom96 is: 151.3475, 151.3025, 151.3175. The 151.3025 is the control channel.

 

[Railbender]

Erie site radio affiliation by talkgroup. As of 10/08/2017.

TG 10001
1001
1200038
1200054
1200055
1200056
1200142
1200149
1200151
1200152
5200034
9000006
9000008

TG 10002
none

TG 10011
none

TG 10026
14
15
16
1200136
5200166

TG 10027
1200078

TG 10028
9000005

TG 10065
none

TG 10078
1200057

TG 10101
5200136

TG 10127
1200008
1200097
1200138
1200139
1200140
1200141
1200143
1200145
1200146
1200148
1200153
1200155
1200157
3200129
3200132
3200133
3200134
3200139
3200140
3200149
3200152
3200155
3200163
3200168
3200170
3200176
3200177
3200179
3200180

TG 10128
1200039
1200042
1200046
1200049

TG 10129
17

TG 10130
1200052
1200058
1200062

TG 10131
302
1200015
1200016
1200018
1200073
1200077
1200083
1200084
1200087
1200089

TG 12000
Game Commission
1230008
1230010
1230020
1230022
1230026
1230028
1230029
1230031
1230034
1230035
1230037
1230119

Unaffiliated Radios
1200053
1200135
1230033

 

[scnrfrq]

Erie site radio affiliation by talkgroup. As of 10/08/2017.

TG 10001
1001
1200038
1200054
1200055
1200056
1200142
1200149
1200151
1200152
5200034
9000006
9000008

TG 10002
none

TG 10011
none

TG 10026
14
15
16
1200136
5200166

TG 10027
1200078

TG 10028
9000005

TG 10065
none

TG 10078
1200057

TG 10101
5200136

TG 10127
1200008
1200097
1200138
1200139
1200140
1200141
1200143
1200145
1200146
1200148
1200153
1200155
1200157
3200129
3200132
3200133
3200134
3200139
3200140
3200149
3200152
3200155
3200163
3200168
3200170
3200176
3200177
3200179
3200180

TG 10128
1200039
1200042
1200046
1200049

TG 10129
17

TG 10130
1200052
1200058
1200062

TG 10131
302
1200015
1200016
1200018
1200073
1200077
1200083
1200084
1200087
1200089

TG 12000
Game Commission
1230008
1230010
1230020
1230022
1230026
1230028
1230029
1230031
1230034
1230035
1230037
1230119

Unaffiliated Radios
1200053
1200135
1230033

I'm still kinda new to the Phase II stuff and the 436 BCD, I know how talkgroups work, but not sure about the radio affiliations by talkgroups you've posted here. Are those the individual radios on the system that have shown up on those talkgroups? Do those users show up on the 436 display?