PA Statewide P25 Phase 2 System

[wa8pyr]

Yeah it is odd that a site would advertise offline neighbors. I would assume otherwise too if it wasn't for all the sites advertising the Darlington site which i know is offline.

I wonder if this was seen in Ohio when MARCS-IP was being built mtindor?

I can answer that one. . . yes, we did see this, but in our case it meant the site was actually online, although probably at low power running into a dummy load; a tech occasionally jumped the gun updating the neighbor tables for some sites. Since the radios in the field couldn't hear the advertised site, they moved on to another one.

 

[ekim223]

I was just posting the peer information as the sites propagated it to the radios. I have not had a chance to program in the Forest County site. I will try to get that site entered into the scanner in the next few weeks. I use the Radio Reference along with the FCC records plus just searching for activity. I am lucky to be a in good location for monitoring many different locations. I will have to see if Forest County site is among them. I have picked up the PSP Tionesta then Marienville, when they used the old VHF system. As for Venango site, I did pick up some PGC activity the other day.

It sure would be useful if people who actually are copying / verifying online sites would paste the peers and their associated CC frequency. P25 systems broadcast the peers and the peers' control channel frequency. I know, not everybody is using software to decode, but for those who are please share the peers for any sites you pick up and the CC frequency specified for those peers as well.

FYI - peers / neighbors - - I'm referring to the transmitted list of neighboring sites.

Mike

 

[mtindor]

016 Presque Isle (ERIE40)

Only neighbor is
011 Erie (ERIE80) 151.415

Rail,

What is the CC/VC freqs for SIte 16 Presque Isle (ERIE40) ? Is it 151.2725 as listed in the DB?

Mike

 

[scan-pa]

From a friend in HBG, the new sw system has 23 sites online.

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[scnrfrq]

From a friend in HBG, the new sw system has 23 sites online.

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Any additional info on the NW system?

 

[mtindor]

From a friend in HBG, the new sw system has 23 sites online.

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Cool, but 23 active sites in just SW? I'd question that. The map that I have (to keep track of things) along with some documentation some other locals are keeping seems to bear out significant sites online / near online. Actually, I know of 22 sites either online or being reported as neighbors (but not verified online) systemwide.

1-001 WARR17
1-002 WARR34
1-003 WARR35A / WARR37
1-004 DAUP01
1-005 BUTL01
1-006 CRAW01
1-007 CRAW37
1-008 FORE07 - not confirmed online but shows as adjacent site neighbor
1-009 VENA12
1-010 MERC31
1-011 ERIE80
1-016 ERIE40
1-019 LAWR06
1-020 BUTL03
1-021 BEAV01 - not confirmed online but shows as adjacent site neighbor
1-022 ARMS32
1-023 CLAR05
1-025 GREE08
1-033 WASH03
1-034 WASH49
1-036 WEST30 - not confirmed online but shows as adjacent site neighbor
1-037 INDI01

So we're pretty damned close if you meant systemwide. I would not believe any claim suggesting 23 sites _online_ in SWPA alone. We've got people on these forums monitoring for such things and would have reported more if there were another dozen sites online in SWPA.

Mike

 

[scan-pa]

SW is StateWide. What that means.. who knows.

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[mtindor]

SW is StateWide. What that means.. who knows.

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Ok that makes more sense. I know of somebody who through direct monitoring knows of at least two other sites that I haven't listed, but the sites cannot be pinned down yet because they are not advertising neighbors yet and they are using 161/162 mhz freqs for control channels.

Mike

 

[Railbender]

Rail,

What is the CC/VC freqs for SIte 16 Presque Isle (ERIE40) ? Is it 151.2725 as listed in the DB?

Mike

151.2725 Control
151.0700
151.2125

The DB is correct.

 

[HM1529]

Cool, but 23 active sites in just SW? I'd question that. The map that I have (to keep track of things) along with some documentation some other locals are keeping seems to bear out significant sites online / near online. Actually, I know of 22 sites either online or being reported as neighbors (but not verified online) systemwide.

1-001 WARR17
1-002 WARR34
1-003 WARR35A / WARR37
1-004 DAUP01
1-005 BUTL01
1-006 CRAW01
1-007 CRAW37
1-008 FORE07 - not confirmed online but shows as adjacent site neighbor
1-009 VENA12
1-010 MERC31
1-011 ERIE80
1-016 ERIE40
1-019 LAWR06
1-020 BUTL03
1-021 BEAV01 - not confirmed online but shows as adjacent site neighbor
1-022 ARMS32
1-023 CLAR05
1-025 GREE08
1-033 WASH03
1-034 WASH49
1-036 WEST30 - not confirmed online but shows as adjacent site neighbor
1-037 INDI01

So we're pretty damned close if you meant systemwide. I would not believe any claim suggesting 23 sites _online_ in SWPA alone. We've got people on these forums monitoring for such things and would have reported more if there were another dozen sites online in SWPA.

Mike

FORE07 is online according to official info I have seen...just checked this morning.

System is supposed to be 84 VHF tower sites and 30 800MHz tower sites statewide when done. This is one of the biggest selling points for the upgrade because literally hundreds of monopole cell sites (770 microcells exist) and higher profile towers can be decommissioned with significant savings after decommissioning.

 

[HM1529]

Here is a visual depiction of roughly where the VHF and 800 sites are going to be. Both snips are from a presentation available online.

Of course, this is subject to change depending on partnerships that come up with counties like Warren where additionl towers may be added into a simulcast to enhance coverage even more for the extra local traffic.

 

[jluisi86]

Link available?

Here is a visual depiction of roughly where the VHF and 800 sites are going to be. Both snips are from a presentation available online.

Of course, this is subject to change depending on partnerships that come up with counties like Warren where additionl towers may be added into a simulcast to enhance coverage even more for the extra local traffic.

 

[mtindor]

151.2725 Control
151.0700
151.2125

The DB is correct.

THank you

Mike

 

[HM1529]

Link available?

The rest of the slides were not particularly useful without an accompanying narrative, which is not included in the slide set.

https://panena.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/news_32_304762988-2.pdf

 

[scnrfrq]

Still trying to master setting up Favorites Lists on my 436. How do I create a Favorites List for Erie that just includes the 2 Erie sites: Erie (ERIE80) and Presque Isle (ERIE40)? I assume I'll hear all radio traffic in Erie County by setting it up this way?

So far in trying to do it I can only add all the sites listed on the RR page, not pick and choose Erie only. I think I only need the 2 Erie sites though?

 

[jonwienke]

Don't.

That's the wrong way to go about it with the x36 scanners. There is zero advantage to manually deleting sites (it will not likely make the scanner scan the system any faster), and if you have to ask the question, there is a good chance you will screw something up while trying. Import the whole system. The x36 can handle a database of every complete system in North America, so a few dozen sites from one system isn't going to choke it.

Turn on Location Control in your Favorite List, and adjust Range so the scanner only scans sites you can actually hear. You cannot assume anything about which sites will carry which traffic. It's common for sites outside a county to carry traffic for that county, if that site fills in what would otherwise be a gap in coverage.

 

[scnrfrq]

Don't.

That's the wrong way to go about it with the x36 scanners. There is zero advantage to manually deleting sites (it will not likely make the scanner scan the system any faster), and if you have to ask the question, there is a good chance you will screw something up while trying. Import the whole system. The x36 can handle a database of every complete system in North America, so a few dozen sites from one system isn't going to choke it.

Turn on Location Control in your Favorite List, and adjust Range so the scanner only scans sites you can actually hear. You cannot assume anything about which sites will carry which traffic. It's common for sites outside a county to carry traffic for that county, if that site fills in what would otherwise be a gap in coverage.

Thanks - I did just figure out how to do it, but I see what you're saying. I guess I'll add them all and then pare it down later based on what I'm hearing. I originally set up an Erie Favorites List by using the frequencies from the FCC License, which included the control channel and the other frequencis in the license. I guess I only need the control channels, based on what I'm reading on the RR database page? I'm already hearing encrypted comms on this new favorites list, so it must be set up OK.

 

[jonwienke]

Add all the frequencies to the site. The effect on scan time is negligible, and you won't lose the site if they swap the control channel and a voice frequency.

 

[scnrfrq]

Add all the frequencies to the site. The effect on scan time is negligible, and you won't lose the site if they swap the control channel and a voice frequency.

How do I get all of them? Do I have to look at the FCC licenses? Where's the best place to get the info?

 

[jonwienke]

FCC licenses, the wiki, and the RR database.

Use ProScan to log which frequencies are actually used.