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[TinEar]

You're right Paul...snagging the freqs for the current unit and then the freqs for the new C-5 unit will be a priority. Actually, the runway work there is in three phases which the newspaper article didn't point out. One project is to extend one end of the runway by 800 feet. The second is to get rid of the hump in the middle of the runway. You land uphill no matter which end you use now. The third is to extend the other end by 1000 feet. And all that is supposed to be done by next summer. I'm taking bets.

 

[TinEar]

(Delete...duplicate post. Not sure why this keeps happening lately. I edit a post and then it shows up twice.)

 

[nightwatch]

milcom feeds new

http://scanmilair-dc.com/
there are two new feeds,one from GA the other is from Madison,WI
more feeds comming and again if anyone wants to add a audio feed just let us know and will set you up

 

[CitationJet]

Hi,

Finally back with the radios on:

1749Z 335.500 Potomac APP - CARBON 51 (T-38C, Moody, 479th FTG) - right 140 and 9000' req. initial.
1751Z 349.000 Andrews AFB TWR - CARBON 51 (T-38C, Moody, 479th FTG) - initial for 1L.

1845Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - PAT 8009 (UC-35A 98-0009 OSACOM/PATD DC ArNG) - lands rwy 14.

1924Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - REACH 321 (type?) - deps ADW dir BRV (Brooke) VOR. "it's near to where we are going, so going direct". QSY 124.65. Hmmm, RMN anyone?

2208Z 119.300 Potomac APP - NAVY JT 053 (C-9J VR-52 NAS Willow Grove) - desc. to 3000' for the ILS 1L @ ADW.

Note: revised the CARBON type to the most current one I had from a few weeks ago.

 

[TinEar]

And that's the only military aircraft (CARBON) I've heard since this morning Tony. He seemed to not like landing on the "Navy side" on runway 1L. Wanted 1R but that's not an option right now. Guess the two minute taxiway trip is too much for him.
(I obviously misunderstood his complaint since Navy is on the right side of runway 1R, along with AFRC and DC-ANG. The USAF 89th etc and terminal are on the left side next to 1L. Tony straightened me out on where the Navy lives. )

Did hear a REACH 8045 this morning on 141.55 talking to Griffis Control. At first I thought he had made a mistake - and maybe he did - but he used it several times. His complaint was that there wasn't a runway open with enough landing run. Said he needed at least 8000 feet. He did mention runway 1L though which is why I thought it was Andrews and the Griffis was a mistake -- but five times? I don't know if Griffis uses 141.55 but, according to Airnav, they only have runway 15/33 there and no 1/19.

Add: By the way, someone asked me over the weekend why we don't hear the military aircraft from Andrews talk to the tower right after takeoff to get their next freq assignment the way they do at most commercial airports. For instance, at BWI after takeoff, aircraft climb to their initial altitude of 4000 feet, contact BWI Tower and then get handed off to the TRACON departure freq. The Potomac TRACON procedure for aircraft departing Andrews is for the Tower to assign the TRACON freq and switch the aircraft while still on the ground before takeoff. Hence, no contact with the Tower right after takeoff.

 

[n3bxv]

Martinsburg to extend runway. I haven't got a chance yet to get out there to snag WVA ANG Freq's, but I hope to soon.
http://www.herald-mail.com/?module=displaystory&story_id=141701&format=html
Paul

It's my understanding from reading their "newspaper" online that they have turned in their last C-130H and won't get the C-5s until early next year. It's the same physical unit, they are just transitioning into the C-5. I hope the pilots don't try and fly those C-5s like Herks!

 

[CitationJet]

Re: 167th AS WV ANG C-130Hs

It's my understanding from reading their "newspaper" online that they have turned in their last C-130H and won't get the C-5s until early next year. It's the same physical unit, they are just transitioning into the C-5. I hope the pilots don't try and fly those C-5s like Herks!

Can anyone confirm where the 167th AS C-130Hs have been sent?

NEVER MIND! If I had read the article all the way down I would have answered my own question. Tin, feel free to delete this post at your convenience! LOL!

 

[TinEar]

Can anyone confirm where the 167th AS C-130Hs have been sent?

The 167th's C-130s have been transferred to the Charleston-based 130th Airlift Wing.
That's the last line of the story that Paul linked to in his message.

Speaking of the C-130, here's a little known fact...with maximum cargo weight of 45,000 pounds, the C-130 has a maximum range of only 240 nautical miles. Nope...that's not a mistake. One of the C-130 documents that I keep handy because it's just jam packed with great info about this fantastic bird is on the net here:
http://www.geocities.com/equipmentshop/c130studynolav3syesm113a3s.htm
Read it and be amazed.

 

[n3bxv]

One of the C-130 documents that I keep handy because it's just jam packed with great info about this fantastic bird is on the net here:
http://www.geocities.com/equipmentshop/c130studynolav3syesm113a3s.htm
Read it and be amazed.

Ooops! Looks like we killed his bandwidth allocation! "The GeoCities web site you were trying to view has temporarily exceeded its data transfer limit. Please try again later."

Edit - Ahh,, Finally got through, It's one of Mike Sparks' websites, so I would take anything from it with a grain of salt. Not to say that it's not true, it just might not be the whole truth.

 

[TinEar]

I don't understand. How can you tell it's Mike Sparks? I hit the link in your message and see a list of mostly dead links or get the same thing you reported about exceeding bandwidth. What's the linkage between those sites and the one I posted from Joseph Cassidy?

 

[n3bxv]

Alan,
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. It's a question of Primary sources - It may be Joseph Cassidy's paper, but it's presented second hand and not in the orginal format on one of Mike Sparks' websites - equipmentshop, 1st Tactical Studies Group (Airborne), combatreform.com, etc. He is fairly well known within the military internet community, and to put it delicately, not considered the most reliable source. I wasn't going to trust anything on one of those sites as fact without seeing the primary source.

Joseph Cassidy's C-130 Paper can be found here on a .mil website, so this is much ado about nothing on my part...

 

[TinEar]

Okay, thanks Chuck. I think I understand now. So we can bid adieu to ado.

 

[JackTV]

Fly By's and parades A-10's

Sounds like the A-10's are out doing the fly by's today.
They usually do the Towson,Kingsville,and the Dundalk or Essex parade.

Jack

 

[rockonyc]

VAANG 192FW status?

Can anyone advise on the current operational status of the 192FW out of Richmond? Are they still an active unit or have they been BRACed? I did a drive-by on Monday and couldn't see any F-16s on the ramp (but I couldn't get a real good look, however.) I also haven't heard a thing on the scanner for their unit. I had heard they were going to do the "associate unit" thing with the 1FW at Langley.

Any insight is appreciated.

Rick
Frednecksburg, VA

 

[TinEar]

They're still active Rick - at least as of last week sometime when I logged them. Had TBOLT and BASH flights on their tac freqs 141.825 and 141.875 when they flew out to area W-386 for some ACM training.

 

[CitationJet]

From Monday, on the subject of the 167th AS WV ANG, one of their C-130Hs, 95-6711, was noted on 1 July at ADW with "Charleston WVa" markings.

Also, while I'm thinking of it, does anyone have any frequencies for the 130th out of CRW?

 

[TinEar]

What a coincidence Tony.

0928: Here's that NASCAR 11 (T-38 Moody AFB GA) again. He's with ZDC-Kenton «354.15» climbing through 7000 feet.
0930: NASCAR 11 handed off to ZDC-Cape Charles «256.8» checking in at 12,000 feet and then reports climbing to 28,000.
0932: JOSA 111 (fem-op) to SAM Command «141.55» to report airborne time of 1314Z.
0939: NASCAR 11 handed off to ZDC-Norfolk «327.8» and checks in at FL 280.
0947: BOXER 22 (201st ALS Andrews AFB) in pattern at ADW with Approach «119.3» and Tower «118.4»
0951: A-10s (probably from MTN) chatting on FM «41.95» (No callsigns or anything else to ID them heard yet - just chat.) (See next entry)
0958: AXEMAN 1 flight called by Potomac TRACON (BWI) and told to contact Patuxent on 281.8. This was on «254.35» which I was monitoring trying to catch the A-10s. However, the AXEMAN A-10s weren't heard on 254.35 which means they must have contacted TRACON on the VHF side of that frequency pair - «133.75»
0959: AXEMAN 1 checks in with Leesburg Radio on FSS freq «255.4» to report they are a flight of two A-10s about to enter route VR-1709 at point Alpha and fly to point Echo over the next 20 minutes at a speed of 300 knots. I believe they entered the route before calling Pax and due to the low altitude I never heard them on the 281.8 freq. Almost looks like they're trying not to be heard - or I'm getting paranoid.

1007: Flight of four F-16s from Andrews up on tac «143.6» Callsign ANGRY
1008: PACER 98 reports departure at 1405Z «141.55»
1009: Warren Grove Range active «283.1» Callsigns CADE and MISTY (A-10 Willow Grove)
1009: CADE/MISTY heard with ZNY-Shipbottom «307.8»
1010: ANGRY flight mentions a flight below them that they believe are two aircraft and say they'll just stay above them. «143.6»
1012: ANGRY flight talking to controller at Warren Grove Range. There is another flight there also - the CADE and MISTY A-10s mentioned above. «283.1»
1016: CADE calls "Grove" to say he can bring in the ANGRY flight now. «283.1»
1022: Heard what I believe were the CADE/MISTY flights checking in with ZDC-Hagerstown «227.125» Nope...FAST 61 flight.
1025: FAST 61 (F-16 NY-ANG Syracuse) with ZDC-?Potomac? «307.025» and then handed off to ZDC-Marlinton «319.0»
1030: WARDOG 1 (OA-10 MTN) with Dover Approach «257.875» reports 20 miles west of SMYRNA at 3500 feet.
1032: REACH 632 with arrival message to Andrews «141.55» IDs as a C-5 with time in the blocks of 1500Z...offloading 1 pax and picking up cargo.
1033: FAST 61 handed off to ZDC-Shenandoah «270.35» and checks in there at FL 320.
1036: MTN A-10s talking about the ANGRY flight doing multiple dry passes at Warren Grove due to the weather. The A-10s tell Raven Ops on «143.8» they'll just hold west of the range for now.
1039: PAT 263 to Andrews CP on «141.55» with arrival message....pax dropoff.
1041: AXEMAN calls ANGRY flight on Grove's «283.1» to try to coordinate range use. ANGRY says they're holding above 9000 now.
(Looks like Warren Grove Range is going to be the flavor of the week. Martin State, Willow Grove, Andrews all there this morning. The ranges seem to run in cycles. Wish they'd get back to using the Aberdeen Range.)
1044: AXEMAN A-10s to Raven Ops on «143.8» say they may be able to get a look at the range and are going down low now to take a look.
1048: U/I C-17 into Dover with CP on «349.4» with arrival message...8 pax, 2 rolling stock, 6 pallets to offload. Needs 50000 pounds of fuel, Customs and Ag to meet the plane, fleet services and a crew bus. Tail number is 90-0534.
1049: ANGRY flight of F-16s left Warren Grove and are on the way home. «143.6»
1050: ANGRY flight to SENATE SOF «139.9» to report 15 minutes out, all are Code 1 and all have unexpended BDUs on board due to range conditions.
1054: ANGRY flight with ZDC-Kenton «354.15» leaving 14 for 10000 feet....direct Nottingham.
1057: ANGRY flight handed to Potomac TRACON (BWI) «317.425» and check in there at 10000 feet. Controller sends them down to 4000.

1101: BWI TRACON sends ANGRY flight to Reagan TRACON «270.275» where they try to check and get no reply just like everyone else lately. Back to BWI TRACON they go for a new freq. She tells them to stand by but the flight leader has them push U-19 «335.5» and doesn't wait for her. They check in there for approach to runway.
1104: ANGRY flight reports both runway and traffic in sight. «335.5»
1105: ANGRY flight to ADW Tower for runway 1L approach from 7 miles out. «349.0»
1108: ANGRY 1...2...3...4 all report gear down, full stop, left. «349.0»

And it's break time.

(Ref below): Sure didn't Dave. Only MTN flight I heard was AXEMAN into VR-1709. Of course, the RAVEN flight might have done the FM low band thing also and sneaked right past me.
Heard that 270.3 also but not in time to catch callsign.
So the RAVEN flight did sneak past me. Sigh. Good catches Dave. I wonder if that WARDOG OA-10 is with the RAVENs or with the AXEMANs? (And don't tell me it should be AXEMEN.)
Yeah..."AXEMAN flight" is more pleasing to the ears than "AXEMANs" however gramatically correct it may be.
Dave, I've had that 293.7 freq in my scan rotation but didn't hear it today so they must have just been too far away from me - or too low.

 

[dparana]

Good Morning All,
1022: Hey Tin you didn't happen to catch a RAVEN flight of two headed up my way did you? The DUKE is supposed to be active now. I heard some brief comms on 270.30 (ZNY-Big Flat) and 338.30 (ZNY-Philipsburg) but I just got the tail end of them.
1031: RAVEN flight checks in with Cleveland Center (ZOB-Wayland) on 353.85 to enter the DUKE. They switch to 301.60 and contact STEEL 11 (171st ARW Pittsburgh).
1050: RAVENs are wrapped up, they got 3,000 Lbs each. They're going to drop down and head out of the Duke Airspace.
1051: RAVEN to ZOB on 353.85, would like direct to "The Gap" R-5802. They want as low an altitude as they can and get 5,000 feet.
1054: RAVEN switch to 338.30 ZNY-Phillipsburg, check in at 5,000 flight of two.
1057: With the RAVEN flight cleared, the two STEEL aircraft are going to play around in the airspace. I can't believe how lucky I was to stumble across that 293.70 tanker air to air freq...

They are all yours TIN, maybe you'll have better luck finding what TAC Freq these two are using. It sounds like you have your hands full though.

Only had the two Ravens in the Duke. WARDOG must be with the AXEMEN....nah, how about the AXEMAN Flight?

1022: Also, A FAST 61 just checked in with Washington Center on 227.125.

Ref Below - Nice grab Tin! I feel like an idiot, I now realize that those freqs are in the wiki page...I better program those in for next time.

Ref Below ACARS - I've monitored ACARS a few times and the freqs I have in my scanner are:
Primary ACARS 131.550, ACARS US & CAN 129.1250, SEC ACARS 130.0250, ACARS US 130.4250, ACARS US & CAN 130.4500, ACARS US 131.1250, ACARS AIR CANADA 131.4750, ACARS US 136.7000, ACARS US 136.7500, ACARS US 136.8000. I don't have the 136.850 in but I'm sure it is.

Dave

 

[TinEar]

1132: Finally heard the RAVEN flight as they check in with MTN Tower on «297.2»
1134: And now I know why I didn't catch them on tac...they're using the FM back radio just as the AXEMAN flight did. RAVENs on «34.4» low band FM. (This is Preset 1 on this radio. The 41.95 used by the AXEMAN flight is Preset 7.)
Here's the entire list for MD-ANG A-10s...all FM mode...
1--34.40
2--34.60
3--36.80
4--40.15
5--41.45
6--41.40
7--41.95
1137: RAVEN 1 and 2 report gear down as they prepare to land. «297.2»
1157: BANDSAW (E-3B/C, 964th Airborne Air Control Squadron, 552d Air Control Wing, Tinker AFB OK) to Giant Killer on «251.6» to report heading for W-122 and that he's with the tanker. He'll be working CADET and ???? flights at 1700Z. He's checking his datalink for flights in the Cherry Point area that he sees with Giant Killer to ensure he's timber sweet on the link.
CADET should be an F-15E from Seymour Johnson AFB.

1201: BANDSAW reports to Giant Killer he's now off the tanker. «251.6»
The W-122 area is about 30 miles southeast of the Cherry Point TACAN.
Searching for front end callsign SENTRY 4X but no joy so far.
1225: U/I KC-135 (probably ROCCO) on squadron freq «303.0» with arrival message to McGuire AFB.
1231: Tanker chat on AR-636 primary freq «238.9»
1235: REACH 5186 (fem-op) calling (I swear it sounded like) Andrews Command Post but on Dover CP freq «349.4». Arrival message reporting aircraft is a C-130, 20 minutes out, A-1, 0 pax, 2 pallets, needs 22,000 pounds of fuel and wants extension XXXX called to let them know the status of the aircraft.
1243: DEVIL 41 (F-16 NJ-ANG Atlantic City) with ZNY-Harrisburg «270.3» and then handed off to «353.8». That's Cleveland Center but he comes back to «270.3» to report no contact on that freq. He's sent right back there and tries to check in again at FL 280. Calls Cleveland Center a few times - no joy. Back to 270.3 and he gets a new Cleveland Center freq to try - «363.075». He tries that one and makes contact to report at FL 280. By now, it's 1251.
Coming your way Dave. Don't know if he's going to the Duke or to places beyond.
1254: REACH 5186 (does call Dover Command Post this time) «349.4» to ask if they have a parking spot assigned yet. She also asks if they called that extension to pass the message she gave earlier. Apparently, they don't know what she's talking about. <Says sharply>...I asked that you call, etc, etc.
1254: DEVIL 41 apparently handed off from «363.075». Too weak to copy with all the radio noise here. Sounded like 307.XXX. (The only 307.xxx freq that fits is 307.15 Warren RCAG-high. The other 307.xxx freqs are all low level flight freqs.)

NOTE: The 353.8 freq is not listed in the new June ATA-100 ZOB data entered into the database recently. It is listed on the old database info that was there as a Blue Knob RCAG freq. The 363.075 freq is listed on the new ATA-100 data as Altoona RCAG but is not listed in the old database info that was there. I remember hearing this freq once before and Florida Jack (the old fart) told me it was ZOB Belmont I believe. In neither list are they broken down into Sector names so I can't pin down the Devil 41 flight.

(Ref above): Dave, heck, I didn't catch them either on the outbound leg and I DO have them programmed. I almost deleted those freqs a few months ago because I hadn't heard anything in a very long time on them and figured they discarded them. Nope.

Anyone in this area monitor ACARS? I get constant data bursts on 136.8 and 136.85. Is this where they operate?

Continued below....

 

[TinEar]

1308: More F-16s up from Andrews on tac «143.6» Callsign BULLY, flight of two.
1310: BULLY flight leader to SOF to report takeoff time as 1707Z. «139.9»
1313: BANDSAW back with Giant Killer on «251.6» to again report he's headed for W-122 to control CADET and ???? flights (Can't catch that second one...sounded like INCH.)
1315: BULLY flight with ZDC-Calvert «281.4» headed for 16000 feet.
Neither of the Andrews flights today was heard on a TRACON freq after takeoff as is normal. Wonder why? Could there possibly be a new TRACON freq for the Reagan National area? Just asking.
1317: BULLY flight handed off to ZDC-Norfolk «327.8» where they check in through 21000 headed up. (And that was the last heard from them other than a couple of short transmissions on tac about a minute later.)
1318: Navy ?? 997 to Pax Advisory «305.2» reporting headed for R-4006 to work between 5 and 15,000 feet. (Few minutes later he's with BayWatch on 354.8.)
1321: BANDSAW (letter suffix to weak to copy) calling OAK GROVE (SEADS, Tyndall AFB FL) on «320.6». Message too weak to copy but he mentioned freq 355.2. All I get there is a thumping noise.
1324: JOSA 137 (C-21 40139) to Andrews with arrival message....dropping off an M-5 plus 1. «141.55» Crew's going to jump on the bus and head for building 1420.
1340: More A-10s up from Martin State and again are using FM low band...this time «41.95» Sounds like a flight of two.
1341: Bollen Range active «237.2»
1343: A-10s report through 5500 heading for 7000 and direct GRACO...they also report they are in heavy rain. «41.95» They must be heading over to the Dover area which shows heavy thunderstorms on radar.
1344. A-10s to Raven Ops on «347.2» to report the storms around the GRACO-SWANN area.
NOTE: They are calling this 41.95 freq as "six" while all the lists show it as preset seven. Hmmm. When he came back from the 347.2 freq he said, "Back on six." Either a mistake or they dropped one of them.
1346: ARMY 262 to Atlantic City Approach «124.6» through 6000, heading for 8000 making a left turn toward Coyle.
1349: AXEMAN 1 (A-10 MTN) checking in with Pax on «281.8» "AXEMAN push 10" and they come up on «354.8» with BayWatch. Asking if R-6609 is available and if they'd have exclusive use. Whatever the answer, they're going to stay in R-4006.
1352: Believe it's the AXEMAN flight on tac «142.3» Say to stay around 2000 feet so won't hear them much longer.
1352: AXEMAN on «347.2» to report off at :45 (from MTN). AXEMAN is a flight of two A-10s. (This should not be the same flight heard on 41.95 since that was heard before these guys reported off the deck.)
1355: AXEMAN flight chatting about a screwed up flight plan...they are supposed to go to VR-1709 at Point Alpha and then the next item on the plan doesn't make sense to them. One's flight plan says...GRACO-VR1709-Hammond's Ferry. «142.3»

1400: ANGRY flight of F-16s off from Andrews on tac «143.15» Believe I heard them briefly on TRACON «348.775»
1400: AXEMAN fligh tells Pax on «281.8» they're going tactical and changing to discrete freq.
1400: AXEMAN flight to FSS «255.4» to report into VR-1709 at Point Alpha at 350 knots and below 1500 feet.
1403: REACH 905 to SAM Command «141.55» mentions 5 MedEvac crew coming off the plane so he needs a bus for them.
1403: ANGRY flight to ZDC-Coyle «254.3» and then handed off to ZDC-Sea Isle «281.45»
1404: Right behind them is a SCARY flight of F-16s from Andrews to ZDC-Swann «360.7» and then handed to ZDC-Coyle «254.3» where they check in at FL 210.
1407: REACH 325T reports airborne at 1806Z «141.55»
1407: SCARY flight handed to ZDC-Sea Isle «281.45» where they check in at FL 210 and at speed 400 knots.....ANGRY pops in with 300 knots.....SCARY reports slowing to 320 knots.
I haven't managed to hear a tac freq for the SCARY flight yet so it might be a single ship.
1410: ANGRY flight handed off to GIant Killer on «255.0» where they check in for work in W-107 area. ANGRY says they will work Victor freq 138.2.
1412: ANGRY flight checks in on «138.2» and says they'll get back to ???? in about 5 minutes after they complete their checks.
1412: SCARY 1 flight handed off to Giant Killer on «255.0» where he checks in at FL 210 for event A-0505 and says he'll be working with ANGRY.
1414: ANGRY flight mentions freq 337.225 while on «138.2» They're are talking with HUNTRESS.
1415: SCARY flight with HUNTRESS ib «139.7»
1415: FURY 51 (F-16 VA-ANG) with Norfolk TRACON «370.925», on tac «141.6» and with Giant Killer on «238.1» and then «249.8» to report they are a 2-ship flight and they'll be working with a pair of ROMAN F-18s.

SCARY 139.7...ANGRY 138.2....both on 337.225...working HUNTRESS.
FURY 51 on 141.6 setting up their datalinks preparing for ACM...changing to 292.3 for work in GK's area.
1420: BULLY flight back in listening range on tac «143.6» and they too are setting up to do ACM. The sky is full.
Waiting for the ROMAN flight to show up.
I'm out of radios. Need another dozen or so.

1423: BULLY flight to SOF «139.9» with mission results....1 is Code 2 for a bad UHF radio, 2 is Code 1. Back to V-5 on 143.6 they go. Guess their ACM reference was just incidental on the way home and not part of the other missions.
1427: FURY flight leader says they should try to contact their ROMAN flight «141.6»
1428: ANGRY flight with HUNTRESS on «139.7» headbutting an aircraft away from the area (what area?) and has been authorized the use of flares. ANGRY reports aircraft is not responding to initial headbutt...he'll try another. Says the aircraft did respond this time and is heading south at 3000 feet, 240 knots so he doesn't need to use the flares. Actually, this is ANGRY 1 relaying for ANGRY 2 who is down low with the "intruder."
This is obviously practice - not a real mission. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the SCARY single ship F-16 is the "bad guy" for this mission.
1433: ANGRY reports a "good mission" and returning to CAP. «139.7»
1434: BULLY (you thought I forgot them didn't you?) to TRACON «335.5» for approach to Andrews and report field in sight.
1436: BULLY flight handed to U-4 ADW Tower for landing «349.0» and reports seeing the C-130 in the pattern.

I've gotta take a break here so am going to let all these fighters do their thing while I enjoy some fresh air. If anything important happens, come get me.

(Ref above): Thanks for that ACARS freq info Dave. I thought I remembered those freqs as belonging to ACARS and for once my memory didn't short circuit. That 136.85 freq is just constant with data bursts. I'm close to BWI so that would account for it I guess.

(Ref below): Thank you Tony. I've been to that site in the UK and got overwhelmed with all that info. Promised I'd go back when I have some free time and stuff my head with yet more flying mumbo-jumbo.