mule1075
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The Official Thread: Live audio feeds, scanners, and... wait for it.. ENCRYPTION!
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Police Scanners are outrageously expensive to receive APCO P25 transmissions. I think it's just as important for any citizen to be able to
monitor with a scanner or app, in his area for safety reasons alone. It would be too late to protect yourself with a 2 hours delay. Lets face it, the bad guy is out on the street in no time with the insanity that goes on today. It should be a right to be able to monitor up to date activities in your own neighborhood.
What about blacking out the local PD feeds based on your location? Think televised NFL games.
JRsTheMAN
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Police on radio scanner apps: That's not a 10-4
www.nbcnews.com
Gangs Are Eavesdropping on Police Radios Via Smartphone Apps
Gang members are using police scanner smartphone apps to listen in on secure law enforcement radio transmissions. It's a tactic officers say could give criminals an unfair advantage and a means to avoid capture.
www.nbcnews.com
Nothing but static
AP Photo by Jacquelyn Martin District of Columbia Police Chief Cathy Lanier said criminals were able to elude capture by listening to police scanners. Try tuning into the police radio channel in Pasadena, Calif., and you’ll hear nothing but static.
www.rcfp.org
Virginia Beach Police Department encrypts its radio scanners
In 2018, Virginia Beach City Council members approved the nearly $5 million encryption project. The goal is to stop information from getting into the wrong hands.
www.13newsnow.com
Mule,
Show me a source that its not used for criminal activit.
Listening to what is happening thousands of miles away won't offer any help if someone is breaking into
the neighborhood homes. I want to know what's going on in my area.
Of course. But the burglars won't be able to monitor the local PD with a free app at least. You, on the other hand, invest considerable money in receiving equipment that they're not likely to buy.
mule1075
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Show me a source where it is. And it is activity not activitPolice on radio scanner apps: That's not a 10-4
Gangs Are Eavesdropping on Police Radios Via Smartphone Apps
Gang members are using police scanner smartphone apps to listen in on secure law enforcement radio transmissions. It's a tactic officers say could give criminals an unfair advantage and a means to avoid capture.Nothing but static
AP Photo by Jacquelyn Martin District of Columbia Police Chief Cathy Lanier said criminals were able to elude capture by listening to police scanners. Try tuning into the police radio channel in Pasadena, Calif., and you’ll hear nothing but static.Virginia Beach Police Department encrypts its radio scanners
In 2018, Virginia Beach City Council members approved the nearly $5 million encryption project. The goal is to stop information from getting into the wrong hands.
Mule,
Show me a source that its not used for criminal activit.
Well, I can tell you that there were plenty of times during my 35 years as a dispatcher when scanner listeners called in to say "...the guy you're looking for just ran through my backyard", or "the red Ford pickup that you gave out the BOL on is eastbound on such-&-such street right now", (and I did it a few times myself as a citizen/scanner listener) vs. the very few times that criminals were apprehended with scanners in their possession. Not a scientific study by any stretch, I'll concede, but I'm only one dispatcher among hundreds of thousands.
mmckenna
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Times have changed.
If an agency wants to get the word out to the pubic, there are much more efficient ways to do that than expecting random scanner owners to be the eyes and ears of the department.
Better/more accurate information can be blasted out to every single individual with a cell phone, e-mail address, or social media account.
I've done the same when PD is on the search. The officer was always appreciative.
I too feel the apps have given our hobby a black eye.
Good people do good things that bad people take advantage of.
Just today I was talking to a member thinking of buying a SDS100. They are on the fence due to possible "E" down the road.
I can't but feel the apps are helping achieve that possibility.
As we all know, alot of folks don't want to "work" to get what they want.
Programming a scanner, these days especially, is not for the lower end of the IQ spectrum.
Expecting? Hmm.
I don't believe they are dependent on folks.
I would guess if your car got bumped into at Walmart you would appreciate the "old boy" sitting in his pickup waiting on momma to PROVIDE some info on the person/vehicle that did it.
When good folks can help...
mmckenna
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I wouldn't be foolish enough to expect that to happen.
While it's nice to have unencrypted radio traffic, it's not something that should be expected, just because that is what we've always had. Times have changed, so has technology.
The FBI/DOJ has made it very clear that PII/CJI -must- be protected at all times and in all modes. It's not a suggestion, it's a requirement. Law enforcement agencies know this, and most are adapting.
General Public owning scanners and having eyes out is just one small thing. There are those of us who listen to AVOID where stuff is going on. I believe the bigger issue is when public safety officials, in nearby municipalities, are using scanners to monitor what's going on "down the street". I can't tell you of the quantity of incidents I've monitored just recently where several agencies are involved and the front-line responders have to wait for their dispatchers to relay infomation (if they do at all). Meanwhile each of my radios is picking up different pieces of the same call. I know some LE/FD out there use scanners just as I do so they know most quickly what's going on.
And much of that information is already public record. Most every State has a website where the majority of ones criminal/civil history can be viewed via court dockets.
There is a time and place for it, unfortunately it is easier to just encrypt everything 100% than it is to keep the field users properly trained and disciplined.
mmckenna
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Public records and CJI, as defined by the FBI/DOJ are different things.
I’m aware, and yet contain much of the same.
Just one requires a certification to tell you not to leave a thumb drive laying on your desk, computer unlocked and office door open 😉
chrismol1
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The best local PD I used to monitor, it was the best, always crazy stuff going on. Went encrypted. This was years ago and their reason wasn't all criminals with apps, it was personal information and other scene information they didn't want to get out. Its interesting over the years seeing it go from criminals with apps ie officer safety was always the stated concern to now it seems the majority concern is personal information , changes between those things before and after that PII DOJ thing.
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I mean... I actively watched it happen in real time during the riots of 2020. Antifa loved them some scanner app. Hence why we encrypted all of our traffic a short while later.
Same here. BLM/Antifa (yes they work together to cause as much anarchy as possible) was running apps full time here in Indy. So IMPD and MCSO just took all traffic to the encrypted TG's until the incidents were over. Kinda hard to plan your "peaceful protests" to specifically cause massive harm when you can't hear how much "peace" your causing the LEO's. This is an perfect example of proper implementation of encryption. Only using it when its actually needed, not knee jerk encrypting everything.
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