Tytera TYT/Tytera MD380 DMR HT

[va2dg]

IMHO, the md-380 is a fine radio for the price. I now have 3 of them serving as scanners.

They work very well for DMR Conventional, and better than expected on Capacity Plus and Connect Plus TRS.

These radios are the only reason I got back into scanning due to the huge shift to DMR around my home location.

I also own a Motorola SL7550. It is a great little radio. It is on a state DMR system (amateur). I'm not into amateur radio and would like to change some programming on it.
It's only good on the Event channels for severe weather, missing persons or other local emergencies.

Hi Ray
I am new to Digital radio.
I am planning to get a MD-380.
Question I have is can the MD-380 be used as a scanner to get local Law enforcement or fire department that are on a MotoTRBO Connect+.
Here we have found that local PD system has 3 sites. Local scanner buff found 2 Freq for site 3 and 1 freq for site 2.
I keyed those freq in my UV3R+ and I get data going on 24h on Site 2 freq and on one the freq from site 3.
2 days ago they convert the analog PD Repeater F2 to digital at site 1.
This site one is also transmitting data 24h
Some time I hear data on the 2nd freq of site 3 for short period.

All site are linked with an IP network thru 24" dishes on 5.8ghz
Site 1 goes to site 2 and 3,
Site 3 goes to site 1 and 2
Site 2 goes to site 1 and 3 and has a 3rd dish toward a 4th site which we have not found yet.


So it look like they have a MotoTRBO Connect+ on IP connect.

Will a MD380 be able to received thé TG on this 3 or 4 repeater network?
I understand that if they go encrypted then I will not be able to ear.

I am also planning to use it as Ham on the DMR MARC network..

Regarding where to buy I have 2 choices.
USA at 160.00$usd free shipping to my broker in Champlain NY but I with have to declare at custom and pay an extra 15% of sales taxes on Canadian price value of 200$can That an extra of 30$ +- 5 days delivery

Option 2 order from China at 140$usd delivered directly in my mail box at home no taxes.
delivery 15 to 30days
That almost 60$ differences.
Does the China radio are the same as the one sold in US.
Just hesitate a bit. Don't know if any one on NA bought one from China and what was their experiences.?

Thank

 

[N4KVE]

If you buy the radio from a Chinese seller, you will have no guarantee. Should you have a problem with the radio, & try to contact the seller in China, they will ignore you. They are for sale again for $130 in the US. What I would do, & what I did for years when I lived in Montreal was have it sent to a US address, pick it up in the States, & don't declare it on your ride home. Throw out the box, & should they ask, you've owned them for 6 months. I lived in Montreal for 17 years, & never declared anything on my trip back from Plattsburgh NY.

 

[ea8cxv]

How I can activate group and private calls?

 

[va2dg]

To moon boots.
Thank Gary for the advise.
I have a US address so its not a problem. I have been fuelling the car in VT every 2 week for the past 9 years. So when I have a parcel I just drop by the broker.
I could just stick an antenna on the car and hook the radio to it.
How quick to program a standard UHF repeater freq out of the box so the see it receiving?

Also the first part of my question about if I can listen to MotoTRBO Connect+ system that is not encrypted, can it be done with MD 380?

About the radio at 130$ Us. any link? that interesting

Thanks again Gary

 

[N4KVE]

They don't do Connect +. It would only take a minute to program a simplex freq in the radio.
Tytera MD380 Thanksgiving Sale
$130 — Russiaville, Indiana

Complete UHF MD380 package with free programming cable for $130.00 each. Shipping is $12.50 anywhere in the US. Call 765-883-7886 Monday thru Friday 9am-5pm EST to order. Pricing is good November 9 thru 30, 2015.

 

[Voyager]

Kinda scary that all these dealers are dumping MD380s....

 

[RayAir]

Hi Ray
I am new to Digital radio.
I am planning to get a MD-380.
Question I have is can the MD-380 be used as a scanner to get local Law enforcement or fire department that are on a MotoTRBO Connect+.
Here we have found that local PD system has 3 sites. Local scanner buff found 2 Freq for site 3 and 1 freq for site 2.
I keyed those freq in my UV3R+ and I get data going on 24h on Site 2 freq and on one the freq from site 3.
2 days ago they convert the analog PD Repeater F2 to digital at site 1.
This site one is also transmitting data 24h
Some time I hear data on the 2nd freq of site 3 for short period.

All site are linked with an IP network thru 24" dishes on 5.8ghz
Site 1 goes to site 2 and 3,
Site 3 goes to site 1 and 2
Site 2 goes to site 1 and 3 and has a 3rd dish toward a 4th site which we have not found yet.


So it look like they have a MotoTRBO Connect+ on IP connect.

Will a MD380 be able to received thé TG on this 3 or 4 repeater network?
I understand that if they go encrypted then I will not be able to ear.

I am also planning to use it as Ham on the DMR MARC network..

Regarding where to buy I have 2 choices.
USA at 160.00$usd free shipping to my broker in Champlain NY but I with have to declare at custom and pay an extra 15% of sales taxes on Canadian price value of 200$can That an extra of 30$ +- 5 days delivery

Option 2 order from China at 140$usd delivered directly in my mail box at home no taxes.
delivery 15 to 30days
That almost 60$ differences.
Does the China radio are the same as the one sold in US.
Just hesitate a bit. Don't know if any one on NA bought one from China and what was their experiences.?

Thank

Hi,

Yes they can be used to monitor a MotoTRBO Connect Plus system, but not perfectly and not if it is using voice privacy.

You will need to ID all frequencies and the color codes to them for the Con+ site. They might not all have the same color code. I recommend you run DSD+ on the control channel for about a day to determine all talk group numbers in use and to see if they are using encryption.

If it is encrypted you'll save yourself some money instead of possibly buying a radio only to discover they're encrypted.

Program all the site frequencies twice, once for each time slot, but do not program the control data slot (usually TS:1 of the control freq). You'll be limited to 16 frequencies a zone, so hopefully the system is not bigger than that. You will want to enter all known talk groups in your contacts and put them all into your digital group receive list and you'll need to assign that group rx list to each frequency. On the MD-380 you can have 32 groups max in your rx group list (which is better than gen 1 XPR's)

Then create a scan list and put all site frequencies in it and assign that scan list to each freq .

Be sure to enable a button on your radio to toggle scan on/off.

Results are about 60-70% because you can't follow the trunking because a real Con+ radio has to have the Motorola Con+ option board and the radio ESN has to be entered in to the XRC9000 system controller.

Program all frequencies as RX only.

I hope I got it all, need more help PM me.

 

[RayAir]

Also it wont work if RAS is in use. In that case, you could use DSD+ and fast lane releases of DSD+ will follow NXDN and Con+ trunking but requires a bit of a technical set up.
Hopefully you wont be dealing with enc, but in certain parts of the country these systems set up for public safety tend to run the EP.

I also discovered you can program Con+ freqs in a Hytera as "pseudo trunk" channels where you only enter each frequency once (except for the control freq, i entered control ch TS:2 voice as conventional).
With pseudo trunk the radio sees both slots and acquisition time and following seem to be improved over my MD-380 con+ set ups.

 

[TLF82]

One should avoid these radios for any and all transmitting use until the manufacturer fixes the issues with the timing of the time slots. There are known issues with them causing harmful interference to the opposite time slot.

 

[RayAir]

One should avoid these radios for any and all transmitting use until the manufacturer fixes the issues with the timing of the time slots. There are known issues with them causing harmful interference to the opposite time slot.

I don't see them fixing it. I have 2 CS700's and 3 MD-380's and I'm considering selling a few of them and keeping a couple just for DMR scanners.

I recommend going with an XPR 6550 or 7550 if you have access to the CPS or want to pay for it. It is a hassle signing up with Motorola or at least it was for me. Once I finally got my account active I still didn't have access to buy the software and after three phone calls I still don't have access so I gave up and bought two Hytera PD782's, which is a very sturdy radio, has FPP, and the software is easy to get.

 

[K4APR]

They don't do Connect +. It would only take a minute to program a simplex freq in the radio.
Tytera MD380 Thanksgiving Sale
$130 — Russiaville, Indiana

Complete UHF MD380 package with free programming cable for $130.00 each. Shipping is $12.50 anywhere in the US. Call 765-883-7886 Monday thru Friday 9am-5pm EST to order. Pricing is good November 9 thru 30, 2015.

Do you have an associated website or even a company name with this sale? I would like to recommend this to my club members, especially the ones that missed out on the Connect Systems $130 buy. Now that we have a dozen users on our DMR repeater, I think the bug is catching a few of the hold outs. Would love to get everyone on board.

Thanks!

 

[N4KVE]

Do you have an associated website or even a company name with this sale? I would like to recommend this to my club members, especially the ones that missed out on the Connect Systems $130 buy. Now that we have a dozen users on our DMR repeater, I think the bug is catching a few of the hold outs. Would love to get everyone on board.

Thanks!

Would you recommend to these same club members to purchase a car known to have faulty brakes? The local DMR repeater owner just put his foot down on users whose 380's are causing interference on his system.

 

[gtaman]

Would you recommend to these same club members tp purchase a car known to have faulty brakes? The local DMR repeater owner just put his foot down on users whose 380's are causing interference on his system.

RAS solves everything

 

[TLF82]

I don't see them fixing it. I have 2 CS700's and 3 MD-380's and I'm considering selling a few of them and keeping a couple just for DMR scanners.

I recommend going with an XPR 6550 or 7550 if you have access to the CPS or want to pay for it. It is a hassle signing up with Motorola or at least it was for me. Once I finally got my account active I still didn't have access to buy the software and after three phone calls I still don't have access so I gave up and bought two Hytera PD782's, which is a very sturdy radio, has FPP, and the software is easy to get.

Definitely cant argue with using them as scanners. But I am like you. I only use Motorola. I use a 7550, 4550, 4350, and have a 6350 loaned out to a buddy.

RAS does solve everything. Too bad it is not supported by Hytera. They make a good radio.

 

[N4KVE]

Yes, but we have the reverse problem. While most of our users have Moto radios, our repeater system is made up of Hytera repeaters, which offered extra security a few years ago.

 

[RayAir]

Haven't seen RAS in use on any amateur system yet, just on a couple of public safety systems north of me.
I do have RAS capability on VHF/UHF if ever needed.

I am not aware of any Hytera system restricted access features?

I think it would be neat if they had something similar to MAC address filtering but on a radio ESN level with some kind of authentication kind of like a Con+ XRC 9000.

 

[johnls7424]

The Tytera MD-380 for 130 bucks isn't a bad radio at all. Granted yes it's chinese, yes a lot of the bugs most likely wouldn't get fixed. That's what is to be expected from cheap DMR radios. With the price of software and radios from Motorola i really can't knock people for looking for cheaper alternatives. Even Hytera which is a great brand is more affordable and the CPS software is affordable and readily available. Just like Ray Air did I myself tried to get from Motorola themselves CPS software. Made an account as well which unlocks a lot of things, but cannot seem to be able to get a price or option to purchase. Which to me is redicious. Other major competitors aren't like that. Even Harris's RPM software is readily available for their line of radios, but Motorola CPS ( which programs a majority of their radios isn't). It's just stupid and makes absolutely no sense to me.

 

[N4KVE]

The Tytera MD-380 for 130 bucks isn't a bad radio at all. Granted yes it's chinese, yes a lot of the bugs most likely wouldn't get fixed. That's what is to be expected from cheap DMR radios.

But what we don't want is to be talking on TS1, & a guy with a MD-380 who is talking on TS2 bleeding over to TS1 & interfering with our discussion. This happened a few days ago here, & yes, I was one of guys who was on TS1 listening to the guy on TS2 causing interference on TS1.

 

[johnls7424]

But what we don't want is to be talking on TS1, & a guy with a MD-380 who is talking on TS2 bleeding over to TS1 & interfering with our discussion. This happened a few days ago here, & yes, I was one of guys who was on TS1 listening to the guy on TS2 causing interference on TS1.

Yeah I know it happens. What can I say. Manufacturer cheaper, more affordable products without proper regulations at hand you will get that. Unfortunately there isn't much you can do. Amateur radio prohibits encryption. As for repeaters that have security features built in to block unwarranted ID's from joining well that's a different story.

 

[N4KVE]

Yeah I know it happens. What can I say. Manufacturer cheaper, more affordable products without proper regulations at hand you will get that. Unfortunately there isn't much you can do. Amateur radio prohibits encryption. As for repeaters that have security features built in to block unwarranted ID's from joining well that's a different story.

We have Hytera repeaters that can do exactly that. Remove the offending user's ID # from the data base. And now with $130 radios being available until the end of the year. how much interference will people who chose to buy top tier radios have to put up with? The repeater owner is getting upset, as he\s being bombarded with complaints.