VIPER Statewide Radio System Discussion

chris8video

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Hey just wondering, programming a BCD996P2, if I wanted to listen to Trooper’s in Alamance, Randolph and guilford, do I just put the control channels for those counties in and the DECs that correlates to their talkgroups? Or do I need to add every single control channel for every county in the state?
Part of the answer depends on where you are at. If you're mobile the answer is different than if you're just at home.

Essentially you just want to program - or have active at any given time - only the towers of which you are within range. Otherwise the scanner is wasting time looking thru towers you can't reach and that's time spent not hearing anyting. A system in this explanation is a tower or couple of towers programmed in conjunction with the Talkgroups.

Optimally I like to have a single tower active for a system from my house location. I'll program 2 to 3 sites for system for my travels and manually activate - deactive as I move around. I program these based on the center of each county....which is where I'll most likely be on any given day.

In a given system - let's just talk VIPER but for any system - you'll program the TalkGroups. For the Highway Patrol I always load every TG they have in every system/site. For the local agencies on VIPER near me I'll program the county TGs for the towers in the system and each surrounding county's TGs.

To the heart of your question - You'll only hear radio traffic from radios that are active on the tower. The county TGs are generally only active in their home area and maybe one tower ajacent to the tower their radio is communicatiing with.

The Highway patrol is a little more spread out and you may hear more troops and districts as troopers all over the state travel and may have a channel active in their radio from a different part of the state as they travel. That one radio can open up that channel on your local tower to hear HP activity from another area.

Right now, for some reason, there's a lot of out of the area SHP traffic bouncing off the newly activated Davidson County site. It's a little annoying honestly because it's so much traffic that I'm not interested in, so I have to lock those out if it becomes too much.

Depending on your scanner you may be limited to how many talkgroups you can put into your system. If that's the case, you can pare down the out of area TGs.

If you're lucky, you may have more than one good tower in your local area that will give you more to listen to if one tower has TG activity the other doesn't.

I also have the luxury of having GPS on my SDS 100 but it's flaky right now for some reason I haven't figured out. The GPS part is awesome the usb connection freaks out the scanner causing it not to charge / work.

When that works I can travel and let the GPS tell the scanner which NC Viper towers to have active and I just have all the TGs in the state programmed and they'll be active as I pass through.

Hope all this helps.

Chris
 
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Part of the answer depends on where you are at. If you're mobile the answer is different than if you're just at home.

Essentially you just want to program - or have active at any given time - only the towers of which you are within range. Otherwise the scanner is wasting time looking thru towers you can't reach and that's time spent not hearing anyting. A system in this explanation is a tower or couple of towers programmed in conjunction with the Talkgroups.

Optimally I like to have a single tower active for a system from my house location. I'll program 2 to 3 sites for system for my travels and manually activate - deactive as I move around. I program these based on the center of each county....which is where I'll most likely be on any given day.

In a given system - let's just talk VIPER but for any system - you'll program the TalkGroups. For the Highway Patrol I always load every TG they have in every system/site. For the local agencies on VIPER near me I'll program the county TGs for the towers in the system and each surrounding county's TGs.

To the heart of your question - You'll only hear radio traffic from radios that are active on the tower. The county TGs are generally only active in their home area and maybe one tower ajacent to the tower their radio is communicatiing with.

The Highway patrol is a little more spread out and you may hear more troops and districts as troopers all over the state travel and may have a channel active in their radio from a different part of the state as they travel. That one radio can open up that channel on your local tower to hear HP activity from another area.

Right now, for some reason, there's a lot of out of the area SHP traffic bouncing off the newly activated Davidson County site. It's a little annoying honestly because it's so much traffic that I'm not interested in, so I have to lock those out if it becomes too much.

Depending on your scanner you may be limited to how many talkgroups you can put into your system. If that's the case, you can pare down the out of area TGs.

If you're lucky, you may have more than one good tower in your local area that will give you more to listen to if one tower has TG activity the other doesn't.

I also have the luxury of having GPS on my SDS 100 but it's flaky right now for some reason I haven't figured out. The GPS part is awesome the usb connection freaks out the scanner causing it not to charge / work.

When that works I can travel and let the GPS tell the scanner which NC Viper towers to have active and I just have all the TGs in the state programmed and they'll be active as I pass through.

Hope all this helps.

Chris
Thank you yes that help me understand the tower sites a little better, I thought I had to program different sites in and their CCs, but as you said those who travel would connect or their radio could connect to another tower and open up the air for their talkgroups to affiliate?
 

chris8video

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Thank you yes that help me understand the tower sites a little better, I thought I had to program different sites in and their CCs, but as you said those who travel would connect or their radio could connecReplyt to another tower and open up the air for their talkgroups to affiliate?

But remember - you NEVER want to put too many towers in a single system UNLESS you have a GPS that will automatically enable the ones near you. Just the 2 or 3 sites you can pickup from where you are at. Beyond that you can duplicate the TGs into each system adding county specific one to the state ones for each local area.
 

Flyham

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For Davidson County, it appears that .......

15026 is now Sheriff's Dispatch
15028 is Baliffs
15029 is Jail
15030 is unk - encrypted.

and of course 770.55625 mhz for the control channel.
 

GMB951

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Does anyone know if the Fayetteville TWC Tower is up unable to get anything off it but have a strong signal was receiving early week
 

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well this ones got me TWC tower and signal coming in strong but no audio this is first 700 system I have put in and I put it in under P-25 standard trunk
 

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Does anyone know if guilford county has a new control channel? I remember seeing somewhere here it was discussed and posted that greensboro added a new CC but nothing is updated on their page unless they have a new 700mhz cc for their viper talkgroups?
 

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Does anyone know if guilford county has a new control channel? I remember seeing somewhere here it was discussed and posted that greensboro added a new CC but nothing is updated on their page unless they have a new 700mhz cc for their viper talkgroups?

For VIPER and the Greensboro A&T site ............. 774.74375c is good.

But obviously Greensboro City and Guilford County daily operations are on this.... Greensboro / Guilford County Trunking System, Greensboro, North Carolina - Scanner Frequencies
 

GMB951

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Ok with some antenna work (TWC) system coming in a little better it seems that 700 does not travel in signal as does 800
 

reconrider8

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on the topic of 700 mhz any clue why im getting decode on 700 but when i program the site into the scanner im getting 800 voice channels? is this an image or what?
 

crowderdaniel

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I have a question, I hope this is the correct thread to ask it in. I'm fairly new to HAM radio. But my question lies in the Viper system. Is it legal/possible for anyone to program a radio to pick up local viper transmissions from county units? And if so, which radio would you have to get for it to work? The more cheaper version of a radio and a HT would be great if it is possible.
 

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I have a question, I hope this is the correct thread to ask it in. I'm fairly new to HAM radio. But my question lies in the Viper system. Is it legal/possible for anyone to program a radio to pick up local viper transmissions from county units? And if so, which radio would you have to get for it to work? The more cheaper version of a radio and a HT would be great if it is possible.
Better to just use a scanner that will do both phase 1 and phase 2 p25 transmissions because you won’t find a cheap rig out there that will scan the viper system.
 

GMB951

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Early morning searching ??? Control Ch#937.6375 Caught ID#32816 this is a Power Co some were but not in data base.
Control Ch#852.300 Ids Caught / #5000/4004/3024/2002 not in NC Data base that I could find
Scanner was set for control Chan only 996P2
all p25
 

Toad_77

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Ok with some antenna work (TWC) system coming in a little better it seems that 700 does not travel in signal as does 800

I meant to reply to this the other day, I have had the TWC site solid all weekend. For what it's worth the coverage does seem slightly less since the site was rebanded.
 

Toad_77

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on the topic of 700 mhz any clue why im getting decode on 700 but when i program the site into the scanner im getting 800 voice channels? is this an image or what?
I have seen sites on other systems, example STARCOM21 in IL, that have mixed 7/800Mhz sites. What system/site are you seeing this on?
 
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