VIPER Statewide Radio System Discussion

SouthernRoller

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Hopefully someone will chime in and correct me if I'm wrong. Living in Ashe county and manually programming Viper into a Whistler WS 1065.
My closest tower site is
2 (2)069 (45)Phoenix MtnAshe851.1125851.7875852.125852.4375a853.8875c
So would I input this as P25 auto, then enter just the control and alt. frequencies?
 

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Happy holidays to all!

traveling through North Carolina, I caught Johnston county on the viper system transmitting in p25 phase 2 on my bcd436hp! That was pretty cool!
 

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Happy holidays to all!

traveling through North Carolina, I caught Johnston county on the viper system transmitting in p25 phase 2 on my bcd436hp! That was pretty cool!

Happy holidays to you as well, sir, and welcome to North Carolina. Just as a clarification, VIPER is not P2 at this time, only P25 Phase 1. You most likely caught Johnston County on their own Phase 2 system, Johnston County P25 Phase 2 System
 

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Happening now VIPER SWCALL reported Santa sighting and statewide Christmas greetings

EDIT: Started by and for the Mecklenburg County fire department on SWCALL many different agencies, departments and dispatch centers added their greetings to this. It was good to hear so many agencies offering each other Christmas greetings. And I add mine to all reading this, may you have a very Merry Christmas and holiday season.
 
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Happening now VIPER SWCALL reported Santa sighting and statewide Christmas greetings

EDIT: Started by and for the Mecklenburg County fire department on SWCALL many different agencies, departments and dispatch centers added their greetings to this. It was good to hear so many agencies offering each other Christmas greetings. And I add mine to all reading this, may you have a very Merry Christmas and holiday season.

Recordings from these messages available in my DROPBOX HERE
 

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Update to Barrett Mountain RFSS 2 Control Channel. The current listing for Viper Site 5 is incorrect. After a few friends asked why their scanners weren't working reliably a friend did some searching and found the current listing is for an expired license and an expired frequency. The current listing shows 853.6625 as the CC. The frequency even though expired sporadically gives off some sort of data burst every few minutes, unsure what it is.

The active callsign for this site is WQTF962 with CC 859.1375, the alternate CC is 858.0375. I will submit this to the database now. The admins must be pretty busy though, I currently have 2 submissions waiting for approval that have been there a little while.
 

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Happening now VIPER SWCALL reported Santa sighting and statewide Christmas greetings

EDIT: Started by and for the Mecklenburg County fire department on SWCALL many different agencies, departments and dispatch centers added their greetings to this. It was good to hear so many agencies offering each other Christmas greetings. And I add mine to all reading this, may you have a very Merry Christmas and holiday season.
Charlotte Fire Department started this several years ago with one of the Battalion Chiefs reading a story and stations chimed in for a time. Added to VIPER SW this year as Alarm's gift to the folks in the state. It has grown and become a long standing tradition.
 

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Charlotte Fire Department started this several years ago with one of the Battalion Chiefs reading a story and stations chimed in for a time. Added to VIPER SW this year as Alarm's gift to the folks in the state. It has grown and become a long standing tradition.

It was a blessing to hear so many agencies joining in, thank you for the history and more importantly for your service.
 

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Tg# 52691 ???

I'm thinking unidentified NC Forest Service. Any RID/UID of 2051xxx ? Other option is AIRLIFE med helos ops, look for 2076xxx RID/UID.
52692 has been reported as having SBI on it and RPD/Wake SO has been using TGs in that range for surveillance/undercover work (52688 & 52694).
 

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I'm thinking unidentified NC Forest Service. Any RID/UID of 2051xxx ? Other option is AIRLIFE med helos ops, look for 2076xxx RID/UID.
52692 has been reported as having SBI on it and RPD/Wake SO has been using TGs in that range for surveillance/undercover work (52688 & 52694).
I second this, TGIDs below and above that number I have logged SBI IDs on.
 

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Ok Viper Guru's school me. I understand NCSHP uses mutli-select when dispatching. When using the Wildcard feature here in Ashe I was receiving NCSHP Newton on the 52192 TG. The TG for SHP Trp F Dist 2 which Ashe county is under is 52190. So I programmed in 52190 TG now when I receive traffic, it is flashing patch on the display. What does this all mean?
 

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Since I'm the one that made the post on this topic in the other thread, I'll attempt to explain my understanding of patches/multi-selectcs as they relate to scanner listening.

Patches (or multi-selects, which for scanner users can be considered the same) are used to combine talkgroups so that to the dispatcher they are treated as a single channel. This allows one dispatcher to manage traffic on multiple talkgroups in an easier fashion, as if they are a single channel.

When a patch is created, the "first" talkgroup to be selected in the patch will become the "super group", sort of the lead talkgroup for the patch. For scanner listeners, this is the talkgroup that will show "normal" talkgroup traffic. Scanners won't generally stop on or show traffic on the other members of the patch if the super group is in the active scan list.

On scanners that support patches (not all do), if the super group is not in the active scan list (it's either not programmed or disabled or locked out, however you'd like to consider it), but one of the other talkgroups in the patch IS in the active scan list, the scanner will play the radio traffic on that talkgroup, and some indication of "patch" will show in the display. On the Whistler WS-1065 family (PSR and PRO equivalents), you'll see "ptch" instead of "TGRP". On the PSR-1080, you'll see "patch".

You'll never know which talkgroup in a patch is going to be the super group whenever the patch is established. For scanners that support patches, that's okay because they'll play the audio all talkgroups included in the patch. But, in your example with NCSHP Troop F, if you have all 5 District talkgroups programmed and in your active scan list, you're going to hear (and see) the audio from the super group talkgroup. You won't know (without listening closely to call locations, or unit identifiers, or some other clue) that the patch is in use. So if you're hoping to hear traffic on Dist 2 talkgroup 52190, and it's part of an active patch that uses Dist 5 52192 as the super group, and you have both of those talkgroups in the active scan list, you're always going to hear traffic from 52190 and it be shown as coming from 52192. If they tear the patch down and some point, and re-establish it with the super group as 52190, then you'll hear traffic from 52190 and all of the other talkgroups in the patch and it will show as all coming from 52190.

I hope that helps explain. Others with more familiarity with NC SHP and the technical details of patching, please jump in and correct anything I have mis-stated.
 

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Since I'm the one that made the post on this topic in the other thread, I'll attempt to explain my understanding of patches/multi-selectcs as they relate to scanner listening.

Patches (or multi-selects, which for scanner users can be considered the same) are used to combine talkgroups so that to the dispatcher they are treated as a single channel. This allows one dispatcher to manage traffic on multiple talkgroups in an easier fashion, as if they are a single channel.

When a patch is created, the "first" talkgroup to be selected in the patch will become the "super group", sort of the lead talkgroup for the patch. For scanner listeners, this is the talkgroup that will show "normal" talkgroup traffic. Scanners won't generally stop on or show traffic on the other members of the patch if the super group is in the active scan list.

On scanners that support patches (not all do), if the super group is not in the active scan list (it's either not programmed or disabled or locked out, however you'd like to consider it), but one of the other talkgroups in the patch IS in the active scan list, the scanner will play the radio traffic on that talkgroup, and some indication of "patch" will show in the display. On the Whistler WS-1065 family (PSR and PRO equivalents), you'll see "ptch" instead of "TGRP". On the PSR-1080, you'll see "patch".

You'll never know which talkgroup in a patch is going to be the super group whenever the patch is established. For scanners that support patches, that's okay because they'll play the audio all talkgroups included in the patch. But, in your example with NCSHP Troop F, if you have all 5 District talkgroups programmed and in your active scan list, you're going to hear (and see) the audio from the super group talkgroup. You won't know (without listening closely to call locations, or unit identifiers, or some other clue) that the patch is in use. So if you're hoping to hear traffic on Dist 2 talkgroup 52190, and it's part of an active patch that uses Dist 5 52192 as the super group, and you have both of those talkgroups in the active scan list, you're always going to hear traffic from 52190 and it be shown as coming from 52192. If they tear the patch down and some point, and re-establish it with the super group as 52190, then you'll hear traffic from 52190 and all of the other talkgroups in the patch and it will show as all coming from 52190.

I hope that helps explain. Others with more familiarity with NC SHP and the technical details of patching, please jump in and correct anything I have mis-stated.
Thank you Brian, very helpful sir.
 
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