billy2047
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10-4 that makes sense. Also I don't see any radio affiliation on TG 401 in DSDFL so that's another give away it's still all patching at this point.
Volusia County EDACS and P25 (00A.91F82)
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401 or 104? LE 4 is Tg 104, i think thats what you mean. Ive see occasional activity on it directly, Still a patch from EDACS. Last activity was on monday.
System is still in the early stages of testing and its a little unclear on their endgame, but right now it seems any activity on P25 is a patch of some sort from EDACS.
billy2047
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TG 104. there're alot of simulselect patches but im only hearing TGs 301 and 104 most of the time.
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billy2047
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Correct. TG 104 and 301 is alll you will hear besides some of the 651xx patch talkgroups.
lol I dont know why you blocked out the RID feilds. Radio Detatch just means that the radio was denied acess to the system, the tgt id is the radio ID that was kicked off the system.
i Think the system is utilizing a EDACS migration gateway to P25. So you will see radio IDs on the system. But still you will only see LE4, East Fire, and any 651xx patched call. Typicaly when LE2 and LE4 patch is initiated on EDACS, it is patched over to P25 with the 651xx talkgroup. Thats the only traffic P25 is carrying at this time.
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Has anyone been able to recive the P25 Sanford Site lately? What is the active Control Channel?
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edweirdFL
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My Calls feed had it up to 17 hours ago Node 965: Volusia County (P25) (Site: Sanford) - Live
Reception comes and goes during the day for my beachside location as my Yagi antenna is inside on the first floor due to lightning considerations.
Reception comes and goes during the day for my beachside location as my Yagi antenna is inside on the first floor due to lightning considerations.
What are you using to host the feed? Sdr Trunk? That should tell you the active CC
edweirdFL
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I'm using Trunk Recorder on a RPi and I only see errors in the logs when it loses the control channel, but no entries when it it decoding it correctly. The config I'm using hasn't changed for over a year.
billy2047
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Do mobiles/portables have direct access to SLERS?
I'm thinking since both Volusia and SLERS (and Brevard's as well) systems are the same type, there shouldn't be any compatibility or interoperability issues, no? Assuming all radios have proper keys and ignoring analog TGs etc..
I'm thinking since both Volusia and SLERS (and Brevard's as well) systems are the same type, there shouldn't be any compatibility or interoperability issues, no? Assuming all radios have proper keys and ignoring analog TGs etc..
ElroyJetson
Getting tired of all the stupidity.
IF the radios are programmed to work on SLERS, then yes they would have direct access to it.
Are you referring to legacy EDACS ESK SLERS or P25 SLERS? Either way, same answer, provided that (A) the radios have the correct features and (B) are programmed for it.
It's kind of pointless to even try to listen to SLERS, either version, since it's full-time encrypted other than a few rarely used, low interest talkgroups. And for the EDACS system, ESK adds another layer of complexity that will keep your unauthorized Harris radio out for sure.
I don't know what the transition state is between the legacy and new SLERS systems. I assume it's not complete statewide yet.
Are you referring to legacy EDACS ESK SLERS or P25 SLERS? Either way, same answer, provided that (A) the radios have the correct features and (B) are programmed for it.
It's kind of pointless to even try to listen to SLERS, either version, since it's full-time encrypted other than a few rarely used, low interest talkgroups. And for the EDACS system, ESK adds another layer of complexity that will keep your unauthorized Harris radio out for sure.
I don't know what the transition state is between the legacy and new SLERS systems. I assume it's not complete statewide yet.
billy2047
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legacy old EDACS ESK SLERS. From an LEO standpoint, wouldn't it be great to have SLERS programmed in and have direct access to it with a turn of dial?
I hope county's radios are programmed for P25 SLERS and have access to it, because if they don't, then what's the point of P25?
billy2047
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i knew it haha. pretty much the nutshell when it comes to radio comms in FL, it looks like each county has their "own" system, be it conventional or P25 or whatever and outside agencies have no way of accessing it other than maybe console patches or using 8TAC VTAC etc
Everyone, in every municipality, is used to their procedures, callsigns, brevity codes, etc. Even if you could switch over to slers (putting aside the 'why'), you wouldn't be logged into their cad, your callsign wouldn't be known, and you wouldn't understand what brevity codes they were using.legacy old EDACS ESK SLERS. From an LEO standpoint, wouldn't it be great to have SLERS programmed in and have direct access to it with a turn of dial?
I hope county's radios are programmed for P25 SLERS and have access to it, because if they don't, then what's the point of P25?
There are slers patches from time to time in other parts of the state for major incidents like chases. They do quickly become a mess.
I don't know where you're from, but there are some agencies that have access to slers or other interoperability systems, beyond the 8tacs and so forth. Intercity is pretty active in some parts as well.
In sum, joe patrol or joe on the engine doesn't really need to talk to anyone on slers.
ElroyJetson
Getting tired of all the stupidity.
OK, I'm NOT an insider, but I know this...the regulations that have previously been imposed by the State on usage of radios on the legacy SLERS system have been so onerous as to require some agencies to purchase a SEPARATE radio just for SLERS usage, RATHER THAN program SLERS into an existing radio.
Picture this: A County Sheriff's Department supervisor's patrol vehicle with SLERS access. Its radio stack includes, but is not limited to, an M7100 set up for the supervisor's county/city and another M7100 set up ONLY for SLERS access. Simply because the State had told the County that this is the way they want it. "No you may not add SLERS access to your existing radio even though it's fully capable. We want CONTROL!!!!" And the SLERS radio is under the control of the State, not the County. (Not sure who pays for it, but ultimately it's the taxpayer anyway.) I've heard that has even applied to portable radios.
As ridiculous as it may seem, that is how I have heard, from a reliable source, that it has been done. Maybe they have not been THAT restrictive in every case, but sometimes, for sure.
As for brevity codes, I will make note that a few years back, DHS specifically made a recommendation that law enforcement should use plain language and NOT use brevity codes.
In fact....click here for more info on that.
However, when the plain language that should be used is not trained into the officers until it's second nature, it makes matters worse.
"10-50, 447 and 53rd street" is very clear and concise. "I'm going to stop this vehicle, or "I'm going to light him up", or some other non-standard phrase can lead to confusion.
The best approach is to standardize the brevity codes for the whole area and train everybody in their usage. I'd think it'd be best if they were adopted statewide, or even nationwide. The same everywhere you go.
Picture this: A County Sheriff's Department supervisor's patrol vehicle with SLERS access. Its radio stack includes, but is not limited to, an M7100 set up for the supervisor's county/city and another M7100 set up ONLY for SLERS access. Simply because the State had told the County that this is the way they want it. "No you may not add SLERS access to your existing radio even though it's fully capable. We want CONTROL!!!!" And the SLERS radio is under the control of the State, not the County. (Not sure who pays for it, but ultimately it's the taxpayer anyway.) I've heard that has even applied to portable radios.
As ridiculous as it may seem, that is how I have heard, from a reliable source, that it has been done. Maybe they have not been THAT restrictive in every case, but sometimes, for sure.
As for brevity codes, I will make note that a few years back, DHS specifically made a recommendation that law enforcement should use plain language and NOT use brevity codes.
In fact....click here for more info on that.
However, when the plain language that should be used is not trained into the officers until it's second nature, it makes matters worse.
"10-50, 447 and 53rd street" is very clear and concise. "I'm going to stop this vehicle, or "I'm going to light him up", or some other non-standard phrase can lead to confusion.
The best approach is to standardize the brevity codes for the whole area and train everybody in their usage. I'd think it'd be best if they were adopted statewide, or even nationwide. The same everywhere you go.
billy2047
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I bet they're gonna do the same with P25 SLERS
XXX county: we use APX 8000 and is fully p25 compatible
SLERS: No, toss your APX 8000 out and buy our, taxpayers' gonna pay.
Railroads use prescribed text. They read the carefully worded train orders back to the dispatcher EXACTLY, word for word, or they are relieved of duty. "Traffic stop, Commercial and Dixie" rolls right off the tongue and any moron can understand it.
But public safety doesn't appear to be as disciplined as railroaders anyway.
ElroyJetson
Getting tired of all the stupidity.
This caused me to start searching the FL DMS website for specific information on their SLERS access policies, because I just want to know.
I quickly found out that the DMS SLERS pages are woefully out of date, some being current if this was 2007! Probably going to give them a call and inform them that the site is in dire need of review and updating.
They can spend billions on a radio system that is even now most probably way overkill for the state's actual needs, they can afford to spend a few thousand to update their own websites to be moderately accurate and up to date.
I quickly found out that the DMS SLERS pages are woefully out of date, some being current if this was 2007! Probably going to give them a call and inform them that the site is in dire need of review and updating.
They can spend billions on a radio system that is even now most probably way overkill for the state's actual needs, they can afford to spend a few thousand to update their own websites to be moderately accurate and up to date.
