Wake County P25 switch

[RaleighGuy]

TG 46843 on the new Wake P25 system today is being used to simulcast VIPER Foxtrot 1, Internal State Fair Law Enforcement. This TG on the Wake P25 used to be broadcasting RFD/Wake FD Alert tones

 

[RaleighGuy]

Recently the Carolina 440 Net website updated it's website to include information on the new Wake P25 system. While some information seems to be valid (though not not confirmed through monitoring) other information does not appear to be correct. They say the new system should be active October 27th, which I think is going to be difficult, though possible. A couple of things to be careful of includes:

1. The TGs for the system appear to be converted utilizing the conversion tool for Type II to P25, this is not what Wake is doing, they will be creating new TGs between 46800 and 47499, with a possible federal TG on 60506.
2. The CAM BU TGs are listed in the 47305-47315 range, to date (after a year of monitoring on Unitrunker 2) I have not seen 47309-47315 being used. Again, it might be too early and I'm not saying it is incorrect.
3. The Wake system is Site 002, where the Carolina 440 page says it will be site 003. Again, it might be too early and I'm not saying it is incorrect.

There also appears to be a number of changes in the works on the fire side for Cary.

You can see the complete page and info at:

Cary Fire Frequencies

Home of the Carolina 440 Repeater Network

www.carolina440.net

 

[Chris0516]

Recently the Carolina 440 Net website updated it's website to include information on the new Wake P25 system. While some information seems to be valid (though not not confirmed through monitoring) other information does not appear to be correct. They say the new system should be active October 27th, which I think is going to be difficult, though possible. A couple of things to be careful of includes:

1. The TGs for the system appear to be converted utilizing the conversion tool for Type II to P25, this is not what Wake is doing, they will be creating new TGs between 46800 and 47499, with a possible federal TG on 60506.
2. The CAM BU TGs are listed in the 47305-47315 range, to date (after a year of monitoring on Unitrunker 2) I have not seen 47309-47315 being used. Again, it might be too early and I'm not saying it is incorrect.
3. The Wake system is Site 002, where the Carolina 440 page says it will be site 003. Again, it might be too early and I'm not saying it is incorrect.

There also appears to be a number of changes in the works on the fire side for Cary.

You can see the complete page and info at:

Cary Fire Frequencies

Home of the Carolina 440 Repeater Network

www.carolina440.net

Should I still keep my Wake County Mot Type II Smartzone system? Or can I just go by what is listed at the page above?

 

[RaleighGuy]

Should I still keep my Wake County Mot Type II Smartzone system? Or can I just go by what is listed at the page above?

Keep the Type II until the switch is complete, it may be awhile before it is fully completed.

 

[Chris0516]

Keep the Type II until the switch is complete, it may be awhile before it is fully completed.

Ok

 

[RaleighGuy]

Lots of testing and additional units on the system this morning, control channel now 853.925, two more channels added to the system for a total of 10. Looks like Wake Tech Community College is testing on TG 47125, noticing a lot of WSO {possibly jail) RIDs also. LE East (TG 47220) has been silent for a couple of days now.

 

[Chris0516]

Lots of testing and additional units on the system this morning, control channel now 853.925, two more channels added to the system for a total of 10. Looks like Wake Tech Community College is testing on TG 47125, noticing a lot of WSO {possibly jail) RIDs also. LE East (TG 47220) has been silent for a couple of days now.

I already put 853.9250 in as a CC. Are 853.9825, 853.4825, and 853.1500 also CC's?

 

[RaleighGuy]

I already put 853.9250 in as a CC. Are 853.9825, 853.4825, and 853.1500 also CC's?

Not 853.9825, but 853.9625, and yes all are important as the control channels today switched. Also no longer hearing RPD on the old system, they are on the new systems

 

[drayd48]

Not 853.9825, but 853.9625, and yes all are important as the control channels today switched. Also no longer hearing RPD on the old system, they are on the new systems

Do you have an updated list of TGs from what you have been hearing?s

 

[RaleighGuy]

Submitted to database already, some have been listed others are new from today. This is also the updated frequencies as of today. FYI I'm not hearing RPD dispatch on the old system.

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel Usage Frequency(/Slot) Input Channel Input Frequency(/Slot) Input Explicit(1/0) Hit Count
00-0045 v 851.28750 00-0045 806.28750 0 15
00-0073 vd 851.46250 00-0073 806.46250 0 9
00-0085 vd 851.53750 00-0085 806.53750 0 14
00-0099 vdit 851.62500 00-0099 806.62500 0 3
00-0153 vd 851.96250 00-0153 806.96250 0 13
00-0183 vd 852.15000 00-0183 807.15000 0 14
00-0285 vdp 852.78750 00-0285 807.78750 0 16
00-0313 vd 852.96250 00-0313 807.96250 0 13
00-0343 a 853.15000 00-0343 0.00000 1 0
00-0393 avd 853.46250 00-0393 0.00000 1 1
00-0467 c 853.92500 00-0467 0.00000 1 0
00-0473 ca 853.96250 00-0473 0.00000 1 0
00-0713 v 855.46250 00-0713 0.00000 1 0

-Talkgroups

46870 WCGSASEC - Wake County General Services Admin Security
46871 WCGSAPHYSICAL - Wake County General Services Admin
46872 WCGSACentral - Wake County General Services Admin
46873 WCGSA - Wake County General Services Admin
46874 WCGSA - Wake County General Services Admin
46876 WCGSAMUTUAL - Wake County General Services Admin Mutual Aid
46880 WSO PAT 1 - Wake County Sheriff Patrol Ch 1
46881 WSO PAT 2 - Wake County Sheriff Patrol Ch 2
46882 WSO PAT 3 - Wake County Sheriff Patrol Ch 3
46883 WSO PAT 4 - Wake County Sheriff Patrol Ch 4 NCIC CHECK
46902 WSO JUD 1 - Wake County Sheriff Court Deputies
46916 WSODET1D - Wake County Detention Center
46917 WSODET PSC - Wake County Public Safety Center
46990 GoRaleigh Ops 1 - GoRaleigh City Bus Primary
46991 GoRaleigh Ops 2 - GoRaleigh City Bus Secondary
46992 GoRaleigh Maint. - GoRaleigh City Bus Maintenance
46993 GoRaleigh Supv - GoRaleigh City Bus Supervisors
46994 NCSU Wolfline 1 - NC State University Busline Ch 1
46995 NCSU Wolfline 2 - NC State University Busline Ch 2
46996 NCSU Wolfline Maint - NC State University Busline Maintenance
46998 GoWake Ops1 - Wake Co Coordinated Transport Ops 1
46999 GoWake Ops2 - Wake Co Coordinated Transport Ops 2
47002 GoTriangle Ops 1 - GoTriangle Bus Primary
47003 GoTriangle Ops 2 - GoTriangle Bus Secondary
47004 GoTriangle Maint - GoTriangle Bus Maintenance
47050 RPD NWD DISP - Northwest District Dispatch (1xx Units)
47051 RPD NOD DISP - North District Dispatch (2xx Units)
47052 RPD NED DISP - Northeast District Dispatch (3xx Units)
47053 RPD SED DISP - Southeast District Dispatch (4xx Units)
47054 RPD DTD DISP - Downtown District Dispatch (5xx Units)
47055 RPD SWD DISP - Southwest District Dispatch (6xx Units)
47064 RPD TAC
47075 RPD TAC
47097 RPD SEU - FULL TIME ENCRYPTED
47110 NCSUPDTG1 - NCSU Police Primary
47125 WTCC PD DISP - Wake Tech Community College PD
47175 GPD Disp - Garner Police Dispatch
47220 LE East - Knightdale PD Wendell PD Zebulon PD Rolesville PD
47390 RDU LE DISP - RDU Airport Police Dispatch

 

[Chris0516]

Not 853.9825, but 853.9625, and yes all are important as the control channels today switched. Also no longer hearing RPD on the old system, they are on the new systems

I made a numerical error there. I meant 853.9625.

 

[drayd48]

@N1GAW have you found any more TGs since yesterday? I've heard a lot of chatter from TGs that arent listed but not enough to make out what they were saying. I also don't know all the RID's like you do either to pinpoint where they would have come from.
NCSUPDTG2 is 47111

 

[wwelborn]

EMS is going live on P25 sometime tomorrow, so there will be a lot of traffic showing up on new TGs as well.

 

[RaleighGuy]

@N1GAW have you found any more TGs since yesterday? I've heard a lot of chatter from TGs that arent listed but not enough to make out what they were saying. I also don't know all the RID's like you do either to pinpoint where they would have come from.
NCSUPDTG2 is 47111

46870 WCGSASEC - Wake County General Services Admin Security
46871 WCGSAPHYSICAL - Wake County General Services Admin
46872 WCGSACentral - Wake County General Services Admin
46873 WCGSA - Wake County General Services Admin
46874 WCGSA - Wake County General Services Admin
46876 WCGSAMUTUAL - Wake County General Services Admin Mutual Aid
46880 WSO PAT 1 - Wake County Sheriff Patrol Ch 1
46881 WSO PAT 2 - Wake County Sheriff Patrol Ch 2
46882 WSO PAT 3 - Wake County Sheriff Patrol Ch 3
46883 WSO PAT 4 - Wake County Sheriff Patrol Ch 4 NCIC CHECK
46902 WSO JUD 1 - Wake County Sheriff Court Deputies
46916 WSODET1D - Wake County Detention Center
46917 WSODET PSC - Wake County Public Safety Center
46990 GoRaleigh Ops 1 - GoRaleigh City Bus Primary
46991 GoRaleigh Ops 2 - GoRaleigh City Bus Secondary
46992 GoRaleigh Maint. - GoRaleigh City Bus Maintenance
46993 GoRaleigh Supv - GoRaleigh City Bus Supervisors
46994 NCSU Wolfline 1 - NC State University Busline Ch 1
46995 NCSU Wolfline 2 - NC State University Busline Ch 2
46996 NCSU Wolfline Maint - NC State University Busline Maintenance
46998 GoWake Ops1 - Wake Co Coordinated Transport Ops 1
46999 GoWake Ops2 - Wake Co Coordinated Transport Ops 2
47002 GoTriangle Ops 1 - GoTriangle Bus Primary
47003 GoTriangle Ops 2 - GoTriangle Bus Secondary
47004 GoTriangle Maint - GoTriangle Bus Maintenance
47050 RPD NWD DISP - Northwest District Dispatch (1xx Units)
47051 RPD NOD DISP - North District Dispatch (2xx Units)
47052 RPD NED DISP - Northeast District Dispatch (3xx Units)
47053 RPD SED DISP - Southeast District Dispatch (4xx Units)
47054 RPD DTD DISP - Downtown District Dispatch (5xx Units)
47055 RPD SWD DISP - Southwest District Dispatch (6xx Units)
47060 RPD NWD TAC
47061 RPD NOD TAC
47062 RPD NED TAC
47063 RPD SED TAC
47064 RPD DTD TAC
47065 RPD SWD TAC
47066 RPD
47075 RPD
47079 RPD CITY 1
47080 RPD CITY 2
47083 RPD SO TAC 1 - FULL TIME ENCRYPTED
47097 RPD SEU - FULL TIME ENCRYPTED
47110 NCSUPDTG1 - NCSU Police Primary
47111 NCSUPDTG2 - NCSU Police Secondary
47125 WTCC PD DISP - Wake Tech Community College PD
47175 GPD Disp - Garner Police Dispatch
47197 HSPD DISP - Holly Springs PD
47220 LE East - Knightdale PD Wendell PD Zebulon PD Rolesville PD Dispatch
47248 WF PD DISP - Wake Forest PD Dispatch
47249 WF PD TAC1 - Wake Forest PD Tac 1
47390 RDU LE DISP - RDU Airport Police Dispatch

 

[drayd48]

I just heard an announcement made on one of the alert dispatch channels that it is time to switch to the new zones. Didn’t catch up it was Raleigh fire wake fire or EMS

edit they said again it was Raleigh fire that switched. I’m also no longer hearing VHF dispatch either

 

[wwelborn]

I haven't seen the announcement for EMS from 200 yet. Cary FD just moved everyone over to the new tac channels though, so it all kicking off.

 

[RaleighGuy]

I just heard an announcement made on one of the alert dispatch channels that it is time to switch to the new zones. Didn’t catch up it was Raleigh fire wake fire or EMS

edit they said again it was Raleigh fire that switched. I’m also no longer hearing VHF dispatch either

Yes Raleigh FD, Garner FD, EMS, ALERTS and others have made the switch this morning. I am just getting on the computer, my UT2 isn't working good, no audio, my DSD+ is working. Unfortunately I'm having a lot of issues with simulcast (unlike with the old system) so using scanner isn't as effective.

Will post more updates tonight.

 

[wwelborn]

EMS has now switched over, with a simulcast still on the old VHF.

 

[ryder5908]

Yes Raleigh FD, Garner FD, EMS, ALERTS and others have made the switch this morning. I am just getting on the computer, my UT2 isn't working good, no audio, my DSD+ is working. Unfortunately I'm having a lot of issues with simulcast (unlike with the old system) so using scanner isn't as effective.

Will post more updates tonight.

Hopefully I am in the correct forum, seems like you are the guy that knows what he is doing,,, So question scanners not picking up RPD for me should I just wait for updates on the radioreference program software to add? i have attempted numerous times

 

[legeros]

Eagerly awaiting the new talkgroups in the RR database, so I can upload to my WS1040 and WS1065.

Hearing occasional traffic on the old TGs, guessing radios that haven't been switched to the new zone. (Also heard a dispatcher instruct a user to do same.)

Raleigh Fire still VHF rebroadcasting.
County Fire still VHF rebroadcasting.