Why Oh Why Paul Opitz, Why Oh Why ?

[Citywide173]

I gotta tell ya Citywide, you must have an in with Paul, or maybe you're a mind reader, because nowhere in the words "X36 "huge, tremendous, fantastic feature addition" do I see the word ProVoice.

Maybe you have the inside track with Paul, or maybe you used a Ouija Board, but on my computer's screen I just don't see that phrase "ProVoice" anywhere to be found in that sentence. You are incredible to the max.

C'mon--- give it up--- who tipped you off ???

Yup, I'm in with Paul....me, the person who started unidenclassaction.com and have been keeping my lawyer busy staying on top of things to move if they don't keep their process moving forward, which as slow as it may seem to us owners (and my personal dismay,) they have met the legal requirements to show good faith progress

There was a glitch when going to the production version that disabled the serial mode fast start. We're going to release a new version that takes care of this, as well as the backlight bug, as well as a huge, tremendous, fantastic feature addition. Target is by the end of the month.

That was the comment. The only thing that appears after the words "huge, tremendous, fantastic" is "feature addition," hence, under rules of proper English, that is the only thing the adjectives can refer to is the feature addition. The statement "Target is by the end of the month" means absolutely nothing-it means it could or could not happen. My wife, a professional editor and my lawyer spent a considerable amount of time tearing the statement apart looking for potentially actionable language. Uniden is getting smarter, as there was none.

So your comment:

I want to see this X36 "huge, tremendous, fantastic feature addition" that was promised before ProVoice came into the picture.

Is completely off, as it was not ProVoice "coming into the picture," since ProVoice was in Uniden's picture at the time of the announcement, but not able to be released for whatever reason, and is the referenced 'huge, tremendous, fantastic feature addition. It is what was promised, making this entire thread libelous and unnecessary.

 

[MStep]

Yup, I'm in with Paul....me, the person who started unidenclassaction.com and have been keeping my lawyer busy staying on top of things to move if they don't keep their process moving forward, which as slow as it may seem to us owners (and my personal dismay,) they have met the legal requirements to show good faith progress

That was the comment. The only thing that appears after the words "huge, tremendous, fantastic" is "feature addition," hence, under rules of proper English, that is the only thing the adjectives can refer to is the feature addition. The statement "Target is by the end of the month" means absolutely nothing-it means it could or could not happen. My wife, a professional editor and my lawyer spent a considerable amount of time tearing the statement apart looking for potentially actionable language. Uniden is getting smarter, as there was none.

So your comment Is completely off, as it was not ProVoice "coming into the picture," since ProVoice was in Uniden's picture at the time of the announcement, but not able to be released for whatever reason, and is the referenced 'huge, tremendous, fantastic feature addition. It is what was promised, making this entire thread libelous and unnecessary.

Well, we just have a difference of opinion--- and we're splitting hairs over adjectives---- it happens here all the time. Since you seem to be in the know, and we're both on the same side trying to keep things moving forward, albeit in our own ways, could you perhaps offer some reason why that movement has not included the completion of the ANALYZE function to be on par with the HP-1 and HP-2 series and the SIREN function for Android users. Between you, your wife and your lawyer, someone must have come up with some language in some thread which explains these delays. I'm sure there are a couple of thousand folks on here that would be interested in that explanation.

In terms of "making this entire thread libelous and unnecessary", you could probably make that statement about 90% of the posts here where folks have asked about these missing features. Nevertheless, truth is never libelous and gaining knowledge is never unnecessary.

I'll be sure to check out your unidenclassaction.com website for the latest information, as I'm sure you'll be getting a couple of hundred hits from this thread alone. In the meantime, let the floodgates open for all those graduates of the Perry Mason School of Law.

 

[u2brent]

I guess he'd better renew his domain, it appears to be in arrears.

Could be yours Upman for $12 plus fees.

 

[Citywide173]

I guess he'd better renew his domain, it appears to be in arrears.

Could be yours Upman for $12 plus fees.

No need for it. The class action sign up period ended and I am not allowing more in, which means a better settlement for each participant if it litigates and nothing needs to be done publicly anymore. Those participating are updated via email. Why waste money?

 

[W8RMH]

Don't you think Uniden can work on more than one project at a time. I agree they made some poor judgement calls but how successful would any business be if they couldn't work on more than one thing at a time, rather it be a large electronics firm or a mom and pop corner pizza shop (Sorry no pizzas today we are making sandwiches).

 

[Citywide173]

Well, we just have a difference of opinion--- and we're splitting hairs over adjectives---- it happens here all the time. Since you seem to be in the know, and we're both on the same side trying to keep things moving forward, albeit in our own ways, could you perhaps offer some reason why that movement has not included the completion of the ANALYZE function to be on par with the HP-1 and HP-2 series and the SIREN function for Android users. Between you, your wife and your lawyer, someone must have come up with some language in some thread which explains these delays. I'm sure there are a couple of thousand folks on here that would be interested in that explanation.

In terms of "making this entire thread libelous and unnecessary", you could probably make that statement about 90% of the posts here where folks have asked about these missing features. Nevertheless, truth is never libelous and gaining knowledge is never unnecessary.

I'll be sure to check out your unidenclassaction.com website for the latest information, as I'm sure you'll be getting a couple of hundred hits from this thread alone. In the meantime, let the floodgates open for all those graduates of the Perry Mason School of Law.

The website stopped accepting participants last February, just before the demand letter (first step in a class action) was sent to Uniden. As the participants were moved to an email notification, there was no need to keep the website up, so I doubt there will be any hits from this thread. All I can say is that as of right now, Uniden's efforts still fall within the "good faith" benchmark to keep this out of court. That may or may not change, and I have no obligation to keep the public informed-in fact, I was advised not to, as it could potentially dilute any settlement.

 

[MStep]

The website stopped accepting participants last February, just before the demand letter (first step in a class action) was sent to Uniden. As the participants were moved to an email notification, there was no need to keep the website up, so I doubt there will be any hits from this thread. All I can say is that as of right now, Uniden's efforts still fall within the "good faith" benchmark to keep this out of court. That may or may not change, and I have no obligation to keep the public informed-in fact, I was advised not to, as it could potentially dilute any settlement.

Best of luck to you and your group. Even though those of us who were not members of the class action lawsuit to which Citywide173 refers to will not recover any cash settlement which may result, I am sure that there are thousands of us who are here silently cheering you on.

And I would suggest that those who are interested in what appears to be the origin and purpose of the class action lawsuit to which Citywide173 refers to herein, follow this link to a thread for more information:

http://forums.radioreference.com/rants/301379-http-www-unidenclassaction-com.html

Good luck and Godspeed to you and your group Citywide173.


P.S. Incidentally, for full disclosure and to avoid any appearance of impropriety or hypocrisy, it has been my position that a class action lawsuit would be a frivolous endeavor at this point in time. Although I have commended Citywide173's actions and wish him well, my own opinion regarding any said class action may be found here:

http://forums.radioreference.com/uniden-tavern/323907-whether-still-junk-upman-2.html#post2484666

 

[vlxjim]

Don't you think Uniden can work on more than one project at a time. I agree they made some poor judgement calls but how successful would any business be if they couldn't work on more than one thing at a time, rather it be a large electronics firm or a mom and pop corner pizza shop (Sorry no pizzas today we are making sandwiches).

No one said that Uniden can't work on more than one project. But to work on the firmware that is still incomplete that people are waiting for is not right. The only thing that should be worked on for this next version is what was promised. Adding features is great but not at the expense of delaying a release. When your writing code it's not like three different firmware engineers can do there own code and toss it all together in the end. You can but after its all compiled it need to go rounds of beta testing to see if that it all plays together. And that takes more time. In this situation it's far better and more to the point the right thing to do, is to get the first things fixed and added and then move on to adding more features. Don't take my word for it but it's a known fact that companies that move on to new products and or features leaving buggy unfinished product behind don't do well in the end. This new practice that Uniden is following is very dangerous.
I know there are guys here that will defend poor Uniden. But the fact is they are the only ones in control here. Or out of control as some would view. The whole bad parts, venders, bla,bla, takes a back seat after two years. Uniden controls the firmware plain and simple. No vender or bad parts to it. And Uniden is holding back the features that were marketed and paid for. We all just want to know why? And after two years are they ever going to deliver? It's time to stop hanging the carrot. Let us have it or toss it away.

 

[MStep]

No one said that Uniden can't work on more than one project. But to work on the firmware that is still incomplete that people are waiting for is not right. The only thing that should be worked on for this next version is what was promised. Adding features is great but not at the expense of delaying a release. When your writing code it's not like three different firmware engineers can do there own code and toss it all together in the end. You can but after its all compiled it need to go rounds of beta testing to see if that it all plays together. And that takes more time. In this situation it's far better and more to the point the right thing to do, is to get the first things fixed and added and then move on to adding more features. Don't take my word for it but it's a known fact that companies that move on to new products and or features leaving buggy unfinished product behind don't do well in the end. This new practice that Uniden is following is very dangerous. I know there are guys here that will defend poor Uniden. But the fact is they are the only ones in control here. Or out of control as some would view. The whole bad parts, venders, bla,bla, takes a back seat after two years. Uniden controls the firmware plain and simple. No vender or bad parts to it. And Uniden is holding back the features that were marketed and paid for. We all just want to know why? And after two years are they ever going to deliver? It's time to stop hanging the carrot. Let us have it or toss it away.

Thanks vlxjim for explaining it in a way that folks might tend to understand a little better than the way I tried to convey it. For the past year, I've been imploring Uniden to release firmware updates addressing a single item at a time---- my requests have more or less fallen on deaf ears. As you so astutely pointed out, professional programmers know the dangers of compounding a number of issues into a single release--- it's like the proverbial house of cards. The only thing that folks like ourselves can do is keep trying to chip away at the bureaucracy at Uniden and hope that Paul Opitz can make a better case regarding the issues we are concerned with.

I know that Paul is a good egg at heart, and he is stuck between the ever-present rock and the hard place. I don't know if my own conscience would allow me to operate under those circumstances. So God bless him for hanging in there.

And thank you too for jumping in with your own great suggestions, and taking the heat that comes with the territory. In the end, I truly believe that what we accomplish here will make the x36 and future versions even better and better radios.

Time for me to try to catch some shuteye--- best for the holidays and God bless you and yours and keep them safe in these turbulent times.

 

[Hulca]

If people are still waiting for the ANALYZE feature for the 436 to be finished, improved or upgraded then think again.

Uniden has moved on..............
They met their obligation regarding the ANALYZE feature with the basic features they gave us. As pathetic as that sounds, their actions support that statement.

Uniden moved on..........

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[Voyager]

Design flaws big time. When you listening the 536HP radio you get a hissing/buggy noise coming out of the speaker on conventional/trunking. It's completely horrible. I think I am just use to it. No other radios built by Uniden have this issue. The homepatrol II and the BCD996P2 are flawless. So go figure. Even though Uniden has a repair send in program. There are small fixes they can fix but that hissing/buggy noise is something that Uniden fails to address.

I've never noticed that except on a competitive model (read: different manufacturer). Maybe you have a bad unit.

You aren't using the front earphone jack on a very early production model, are you?

 

[Voyager]

But to work on the firmware that is still incomplete that people are waiting for is not right.

Can you 'splain that, Lucy?

It's not right to work on what people want?

 

[Isaac-1]

One thing I think everyone here needs to realize is how software development works (or should work), you don't just roll a firmware up and release it without any testing, this is how mistakes like last month's firmware release happen that break more than they fix, it is a case of oh it is just one minor tweak, lets just fix it and release it, then you end up breaking things you thought were not related. So you roll back, fix the bug, and since you have a major firmware project almost ready to release, you roll this feature in with the major feature, and do one set validity testing, to keep from being bit again. Now we see that during the holiday season this this firmware may be running behind its end of the month estimated release, I say may be as there are still a couple of days left in November, this should not be a surprise, software is frequently late being released, sometimes very late, but given the end of the month estimate we heard unless things went very badly I suspect it will only be a few weeks at most.

As to the Siren Ap, this is likely being written by a completely different set of programmers, ones that specialize in ap development which is a very different skill set from typical firmware development. Given Uniden's lack of ap based products, there is a very good chance that Uniden has farmed out development on the Siren Ap to a 3rd party, so they may not have as much control as we would like over the speed of development, and are worried about throwing the baby out with the bath water by starting over from scratch.

 

[Voyager]

HORRAY! Someone else who understands business!

Where is that LIKE button when you need it?

 

[SCPD]

Good lord. Does it ever end.

It will end when Uniden delivers the features it advertised such as Bandscope..
I can't believe Uniden worked on the Provoice feature when the radio is incomplete

 

[Voyager]

Please cite your proof that the same people who added PV are the ones responsible for the bandscope. If they are different people, your argument falls apart.

 

[frazpo]

It will end when Uniden delivers the features it advertised such as Bandscope..
I can't believe Uniden worked on the Provoice feature when the radio is incomplete

My point is the endless threads. Be nice if the would have kept it down to a couple of dozen.
But this is the Tavern so oh well. Guess that is what it's for.

 

[MStep]

Please cite your proof that the same people who added PV are the ones responsible for the bandscope. If they are different people, your argument falls apart.

Uniden is one company, indivisible, with ANALYZE and SIREN for all !!!

Otherwise someone should go into the back office and make sure those guys responsible for Analyze and Siren are still breathing. For all we know, they inadvertently got locked into that back office one day about a year ago, and everyone has forgotten about them. There may be nothing left but the bones, kinda like the remains of our Thanksgiving turkeys right about now.

Just having a little fun with you Voyager---- best wishes to you and yours for the holidays.

 

[MStep]

My point is the endless threads. Be nice if the would have kept it down to a couple of dozen.
But this is the Tavern so oh well. Guess that is what it's for.

So true, so true frazpo. But every once in a while, we can enjoy (and deserve) a little levity here in the Tavern, especially around the holidays. We've been trying to keep it down to a dull roar, but those posts just keep banging in, like the hammers of hell.

P.S. And the best to you and yours also during the holidays.

 

[kruser]

So true, so true frazpo. But every once in a while, we can enjoy (and deserve) a little levity here in the Tavern, especially around the holidays. We've been trying to keep it down to a dull roar, but those posts just keep banging in, like the hammers of hell.

P.S. And the best to you and yours also during the holidays.

We could almost use a new forum: x36HP Tavern.