I am the feed provider for the Terre Haute / Vigo Co. area. I am at this time taking THPD / THFD off the feed. I do not wanna be the reason, everyone can't hear the Terre Haute agencies anymore on their personal scanners. I for sure do not wanna be that guy that somehow puts the officers at risk. I certainly don't wanna be the contributor to Idiots using the feed to do wrong. If need to be I will remove the feed all together so Radio Reference / Broadcastify does not have to deal with this problem.
Broadcastify Receives Cease and Desist from Terre Haute, IN City Attorney
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Your a good man... if only other feed providers or the owner of this site had the character you do we would still be able to listen like we used to. Instead the owner of this site in just greed has forced public safety agency after public safety agency to go encrypted. Locally here 7 of the 8 departments operate in full encryption citing this site as the only reason why.
Thanks for the update. And no worries. It is unfortunate that it has come to this, but I certainly respect your decision.
KC4RAF
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Government is Government. THEY do not want us, the citizens to hear what is happening over their radio system. To stop streaming now will not turn the tide. Why? Because they see that they can encrypt with out impunity coming to them. Encryption IS NOT going away. No matter what we do.
Some locations will stay in the clear, because they are honest with nothing to hide or cover up. And as Mr. Blanton posted in # 40, some LEO agencies rely on scanner listeners for help.
One thing I missed or didn't see, was that there is a time delay in Broadcastify's system. Not that that matters' greatly but still a delay that helps LEOs to get there without the criminals knowing it.
But as I believe, encryption is here to stay no matter what.
(I see quite a bit of bickering , "...who pee'd in...", and just in general attacks on one another. Why can't one post their thoughts without somebody getting all uppity about it or thinking their smarter?!)
Some locations will stay in the clear, because they are honest with nothing to hide or cover up. And as Mr. Blanton posted in # 40, some LEO agencies rely on scanner listeners for help.
One thing I missed or didn't see, was that there is a time delay in Broadcastify's system. Not that that matters' greatly but still a delay that helps LEOs to get there without the criminals knowing it.
But as I believe, encryption is here to stay no matter what.
(I see quite a bit of bickering , "...who pee'd in...", and just in general attacks on one another. Why can't one post their thoughts without somebody getting all uppity about it or thinking their smarter?!)
I have had conversations with the Audio Admin about delaying the audio by 5 minutes or longer and was told there was no way of doing that. So with that said, I will just take them agencies off the feed. Which does suck cause about 80% of my listeners are here in Terre Haute / Vigo County. But whatever is best for RadioReference/Broadcastify the local scanner hobbyist and for the Men / Women in Blue/Brown & Red i will just remove them.
Here is an example of a law enforcement agency (Des Moines, IA Police) that recognizes public involvement in public safety.
On November 2nd, 2016 between 1-2am, two officers were ambushed and killed by a gunman. Des Moines PD moved all their tactical operations related to this incident to another channel that was not broadcast on Broadcastify feeds (because of existing Broadcastify policy that is in place for this exact reason).
This is what the dispatcher broadcast shortly after the second shooting:
http://s.broadcastify.com/audio/20161102_36145_24_m_mk.mp3
Source from the entire unedited archive (above cut audio starts at the 24:00 minute mark).
http://s.broadcastify.com/audio/201611020112-361457-5725.mp3
On November 2nd, 2016 between 1-2am, two officers were ambushed and killed by a gunman. Des Moines PD moved all their tactical operations related to this incident to another channel that was not broadcast on Broadcastify feeds (because of existing Broadcastify policy that is in place for this exact reason).
This is what the dispatcher broadcast shortly after the second shooting:
http://s.broadcastify.com/audio/20161102_36145_24_m_mk.mp3
Source from the entire unedited archive (above cut audio starts at the 24:00 minute mark).
http://s.broadcastify.com/audio/201611020112-361457-5725.mp3
streaming Police radio
As a former employee in the P25 radio test equipment industry, I had involvement in the early days of the requirements for the test equipment which P25 radio manufacturers use to build their P25 encrypted radios. Back in the day of thinking about reasons why Police radio should be encrypted, it was mostly to keep the official business internal to the Police just like Public and Private Corporations do not broadcasts their communications on the internet. The same is true for government officials.
Previously, it was simply the limitation of radio technology that allowed everyone to listen to it.
Unfortunately, streaming unencrypted Police radio over the internet in my opinion is actually hurting the scanner hobbyists as they simply want to use a regular scanner to hear the police radio. The streamed Police radio in my opinion has helped Police Departments realize that they need all of their communications encrypted. For these reasons, the city attorney mentioned in the letter, regardless of whatever law is on the books now, I think his points are all valid.
I have no affiliation with Terre Haute, IN or any other governmental body. Just a regular citizen.
Keep streaming Police radio off of the internet. For those of us with scanners, we still like to use our scanners to listen to whatever is actually left that is not actually encrypted.
As a former employee in the P25 radio test equipment industry, I had involvement in the early days of the requirements for the test equipment which P25 radio manufacturers use to build their P25 encrypted radios. Back in the day of thinking about reasons why Police radio should be encrypted, it was mostly to keep the official business internal to the Police just like Public and Private Corporations do not broadcasts their communications on the internet. The same is true for government officials.
Previously, it was simply the limitation of radio technology that allowed everyone to listen to it.
Unfortunately, streaming unencrypted Police radio over the internet in my opinion is actually hurting the scanner hobbyists as they simply want to use a regular scanner to hear the police radio. The streamed Police radio in my opinion has helped Police Departments realize that they need all of their communications encrypted. For these reasons, the city attorney mentioned in the letter, regardless of whatever law is on the books now, I think his points are all valid.
I have no affiliation with Terre Haute, IN or any other governmental body. Just a regular citizen.
Keep streaming Police radio off of the internet. For those of us with scanners, we still like to use our scanners to listen to whatever is actually left that is not actually encrypted.
Good decision to take it offline. Bad decision to "out yourself" with a callsign so prominently displayed. I'm concerned you could be opening yourself up to a nastygram like Lindsay posted.
But they were not rebroadcasting. They were listening to the transmissions in the privacy of thier own home and not divulging what they hear via a broadcast to the public. There is no First amendment that protects you from re-broadcasting PD communications.
Most likely that will be the outcome if they cannot use the use legal avenues they will use technical means. Either way they will probably figure out a solution to the public broadcast issue.
That will never happen, its a very profitable endeavor. It is a Hobby for some, a business for others. I am curious to see how this pans out, I am not sure they have a legal avenue to block the public streaming.
My suspicion is they do not want to encrypt the talkgroup they just want to stop the public rebroadcast. I do suspect if thier hands are forced they will just encrypt the talkgroup. It is a cheaper and quicker solution although not the one they want since they could have just done it.
I think you did the right thing, look if they really want to listen nothing is stopping them from buying their own scanner. Some even have the whole enter the zip code and it starts to scan. If they buy a scanner they at least help fund further R&D and maybe discover a new hobby in the process once they start to learn more about it.
necessity is the mother of invention.
Wrong move
The airwaves belong to the public. All the radio equipment govt agencies buy technically belong to us the taxpayer. If a situation comes up the PD can move to a secure/encrypted channel otherwise all transmissions should be open. WE the people need to start suing out local govts in these cases. If we don't start now it will only get worse as evidenced by what is coming into the federal level. Sneaky, crooked scumbags who don't what their info known so the can totally rob us blind. Contact your local ACLU and see what can be done.
The airwaves belong to the public. All the radio equipment govt agencies buy technically belong to us the taxpayer. If a situation comes up the PD can move to a secure/encrypted channel otherwise all transmissions should be open. WE the people need to start suing out local govts in these cases. If we don't start now it will only get worse as evidenced by what is coming into the federal level. Sneaky, crooked scumbags who don't what their info known so the can totally rob us blind. Contact your local ACLU and see what can be done.
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I'm sure the local media will pick up the story. However, local media is getting shut out across the country trying to monitor local public safety. Like everything, public safety agencies throw out the "Homeland Security" card and no one questions it. Agencies tell local media "we'll put out a press release if something happens"
I've had this happen myself. Older Lady got hit by a car. Was wandering around in a housecoat, no shoes, no ID etc.. PD Dispatch came on and said. "attention to anyone within the sound of my voice "insert details" If you know who this person is or may be from call #####
They had her ID'd 5 mins later when someone from a old age home heard it and called in.
too bad IC in Canada can't learn. They say you cannot rebroadcast at all.
Encryption is a growing thing, and I look for all radio transmissions whether it be Fire/Ems or PD to one day in the not so far off future to be encrypted. The future of scanning public safety services is slowly going away. Bit by Bit...
W8RMH
Feed Provider Since 2012
If they think is is a safety issue why are they not encrypting dispatch like they are everything else.
Also when was the last time we heard a public safety agency use their call letters, it's be 30 years at least.
Let it go to court, and let the Supreme Court make the ruling to protect our rights to listen to the public airwaves.
Also when was the last time we heard a public safety agency use their call letters, it's be 30 years at least.
Let it go to court, and let the Supreme Court make the ruling to protect our rights to listen to the public airwaves.
Exactly. Spot on.
Give it a second...
Hear that?
That's the sound of a codeplug being changed. It is literally as simple as this...
Let it happen. Right now, some government agencies give lip service to transparency. Once large groups begin encrypting everything, the legal fur will fly. Eventually, with the right arguments, agencies will only be able to specifically encrypt when they can prove a real need that outweighs the public's right to know how its govenment is operating day-to-day. As it stands right now, I don't think it is ripe enough for a full-on legal battle. If normalization is allowed to set in, that battle will be harder for the People to win. The best thing that can happen is that agencies jump the gun and encrypt everything. That's not a defensible position in a supposedly free society governed by the consent of those governed.
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